Why does life look as if it evolved?

[rockaction]

I will say before this gets out hand that there is no illusion of design. We do not look designed. Things we design look like us because we draw inspiration from ourselves. This thread goes into great detail about how life does not look designed as life falls into a nested hierarchy while things that are designed do not.

Yeah but laypeople don't think about that. All they see is complexity and jump to "WOW! Design!"

 

[AV1611VET]

Uh it's a Christian forum where Christians wield the power. Christians get banned more on atheist forums, does that mean atheists have better etiquette?

All I can tell you is to take it up with the proper authorities, if it bothers you so much.

The QUOTE button is there, it works, and I use it.

If I'm supposed to be ignoring that button because of some unwritten rule of thumb, then that's too bad.

Next, you guys will be whining that I spam counting threads with back-to-back posting in violation of netiquette.

I can assure you I have cleared that with authorities as well.

Let me be blunt here -- don't worry about me, okay?

 

[AV1611VET]

LOL Now does getting banned mean we are persecuted and by your own standards does this make us more right then you?

According to his tag line, two rights make one wrong; so he has some convoluted conception of what is right, and it is doing nothing more than confusing him.

 

[rockaction]

All I can tell you is to take it up with the proper authorities, if it bothers you so much.

The QUOTE button is there, it works, and I use it.

If I'm supposed to be ignoring that button because of some unwritten rule of thumb, then that's too bad.

Next, you guys will be whining that I spam counting threads with back-to-back posting in violation of netiquette.

I can assure you I have cleared that with authorities as well.

Let me be blunt here -- don't worry about me, okay?

I just don't understand why you bump dead threads. You could just start a new one. It's essentially the same thing. I've never seen an OP from a thread you've bumped all of a sudden come back and rejoin the conversation. It's just...I've never seen anyone on forums that has ever had such an odd track-record of resurrecting dead threads. I don't really find it annoying, just absurd.

 

[rockaction]

According to his tag line, two rights make one wrong; so he has some convoluted conception of what is right, and it is doing nothing more than confusing him.

"2 Rights Make 1 Wrong" is the nonsensical title of a song written by the band Mogwai, on the album "Rock Action", from which my username is derived.

It's a great song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2LYuRzF-c8

 

[AV1611VET]

I just don't understand why you bump dead threads. You could just start a new one. It's essentially the same thing. I've never seen an OP from a thread you've bumped all of a sudden come back and rejoin the conversation. It's just...I've never seen anyone on forums that has ever had such an odd track-record of resurrecting dead threads. I don't really find it annoying, just absurd.

That's your problem -- not mine.

Have you considered talking to someone who cares?

Like I said, I can't post in my own counting thread (open to the public, of course) without being harassed by you guys, so don't start crying 'wolf' now and expect me to listen.

 

[rockaction]

That's your problem -- not mine.

Have you considered talking to someone who cares?

You're getting grumpy! You should listen to "2 Rights Make 1 Wrong". It's a pretty chill song.

Btw you should be nicer to me. OSAS?

 

[AV1611VET]

Btw you should be nicer to me. OSAS?

Good! Glad to hear that!

I really sincerely am!

Stuff like this truly makes my day!

 

[dad]

Modern life looks as if it has a common ancestor. Some people nevertheless believe that modern life were created as is ex nihilo ~10000 years ago (you know who you are ¬ ¬ ).

My question is to them: why does life look like it evolved from a common ancestor?

It doesn't. Relax.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

It doesn't. All life, ancient and modern, looks as though it was designed.

Just ask any Darwinist and they'll tell you.

"Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose." -- Richard Dawkins, atheist preacher, 1986

"Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved." -- Francis Crick, molecular biologist, 1990

I agree with both Dawkins and Crick: life has, to an extent, the appearance of design. But appearances can be deceiving. The evidence points to evolution by common descent, which, among other things, explains why life superficially appearance of design. "Looks like it was designed" doesn't mean it was designed.

 

[Chalnoth]

I agree with both Dawkins and Crick: life has, to an extent, the appearance of design. But appearances can be deceiving. The evidence points to evolution by common descent, which, among other things, explains why life superficially appearance of design. "Looks like it was designed" doesn't mean it was designed.

I'd have to agree to this too, but I'd like to add that the appearance of design is purely superficial. When you look in more detail, life always looks more like it evolved than was designed.

 

[Doveaman]

I'd have to agree to this too, but I'd like to add that the appearance of design is purely superficial. When you look in more detail, life always looks more like it evolved than was designed.

Could it have been designed to evolve?

 

[Chalnoth]

Could it have been designed to evolve?

Some people believe this, but it doesn't make much sense to me. This is, essentially, a "god of the gaps" theology, where you place the design at the beginnings of evolution, where there remains quite a bit of uncertainty just due to the fact that it happened so long ago.

I suppose you can believe it if you wish, but it's liable to be disproven as we learn more and more about abiogenesis.

 

[Doveaman]

Some people believe this, but it doesn't make much sense to me. This is, essentially, a "god of the gaps" theology, where you place the design at the beginnings of evolution, where there remains quite a bit of uncertainty just due to the fact that it happened so long ago.

You might want to explain that to theistic-evolutionists.

I suppose you can believe it if you wish, but it's liable to be disproven as we learn more and more about abiogenesis.

To bad for theistic-evolutionists.

 

[MoonLancer]

You might want to explain that to theistic-evolutionists.
To bad for theistic-evolutionists.

LOL. you should worry about yourself first.

 

[Chalnoth]

You might want to explain that to theistic-evolutionists.
To bad for theistic-evolutionists.

Yes, well, I tend to disagree with theistic evolutionists. It's just that usually their beliefs don't impact the actual science, so I see no point in arguing it.

 

[Greg1234]

Some people believe this, but it doesn't make much sense to me. This is, essentially, a "god of the gaps" theology, where you place the design at the beginnings of evolution, where there remains quite a bit of uncertainty just due to the fact that it happened so long ago.

I suppose you can believe it if you wish, but it's liable to be disproven as we learn more and more about abiogenesis.

A pity. They hold you guys in such high esteem.

 

[Chalnoth]

A pity. They hold you guys in such high esteem.

Hmph. We simply agree on most of points of science. It has nothing to do with "esteem". It's just about paying attention to the evidence.