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A good thought just occurred reading this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^:The passage you refer to does not say when and how He learned obedience.
I gave you a post with over 20 translations, NONE OF WHICH was a prayer ASKING the Father what that false teachers claims.
Not one of the translations available shows Jesus asking what the false teacher claims.
If you still think Jesus asked as the false teacher claims, QUOTE THE PARAGRAPH in SCRIPTURE where Jesus asks as the false teacher claims.
I don't think He ever "entertained" any temptations though, like so many of us all too often do, and He certainly did not give into any of them ever or at any time, also like so many of us do sometimes as well, etc, and for this reason I don't think most of them lasted very long, especially not the ones more common to man, or man only, etc... Some of His temptations though, might have been on a "level" that many of us just might not be able to fully comprehend though, with the "level" of power He had at his disposal most especially, being who He was, etc...Even if Jesus was tempted, "in all ways as we are"... His recorded prayers are breathed by the Father, inspired by the Father, to be written as the Father directed, for the Father's Purpose and Plan, for us - to instill in us, with all of His Word, Life, and Hunger for Jesus, and Thirst for Righteousness, and love for His Kingdom, and His Sovereignty ....
Like Jesus says in other places in Scripture - I do not have to say /pray/ praise the Father out loud for my own sake (though He did always DO as the Father directed),
it is for your sakes (the disciples, and us) .
You know this reminds me of all the people healed at the pool, right ?Stirring the pool again!
You know this reminds me of all the people healed at the pool, right ?
How many at the pool were healed by Jesus anyway ? The others/ what happened to them?Yes yes Jeff..but unfortunately this pool isn’t healing anyone....just making waves!
And don't even get me started on how I think most of the mainstream media now is being used to violate many in this way, but that's another subject/topic for another time, some people even doing it to each other, etc, some on purpose, etc, full well knowing it, etc...I don't think He ever "entertained" any temptations though, like so many of us all too often do, and He certainly did not give into any of them ever or at any time, also like so many of us do sometimes as well, etc, and for this reason I don't think most of them lasted very long, especially not the ones more common to man, or man only, etc... Some of His temptations though, might have been on a "level" that many of us just might not be able to fully comprehend though, with the "level" of power He had at his disposal most especially, being who He was, etc...
And I don't think any of the temptations in His case came from His own desires either, like James says, and like so many of ours do/are in our cases, etc, but were more of an uninvited, unwarranted, and unwanted and undeserved, and unasked-for, "attack" (violation) (form of rape) upon His own mind/heart, etc, permitted by the Father and the Holy Spirit to elevate Him, of course, and so He could learn all He needed to know to be who was to be and always was before that, etc, that was necessary, etc, fortunately/unfortunately, etc, anyway, an "attack" upon His own mind and heart, permitted by the Father and Holy Spirit, but that maybe came from the enemy, etc, because he (the enemy) probably knew who He (Jesus) was as well, His (Jesus) destiny if he (the enemy) could not stop him, etc...
Anyway, just my thoughts...
God Bless!
How many at the pool were healed by Jesus anyway ? The others/ what happened to them?
Same here?
Most - from their parents and from the teachings of the scriptures.How did Jewish children of righteous parents learn obedience ?
I did not miss anything, but thanks.you’re missing the point Jeff. The point is you’re just making waves.
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Most - from their parents and from the teachings of the scriptures.
In the case of Jesus and John the Baptist (him being Elijah) - who both possessed the Holy Spirit from their mother's womb - directly from the Holy Spirit as well.
Was that also known as 'suffering' by the pupils ?I think it quite possible that Jesus "learning obedience" could refer to him learning to read and write under a rabbi or sophar at the synagogue or studying for the rabbinate in Bet Hillel.
Jesus (unlike fallen men) was never spiritually dead and in need of regeneration. He possessed the Holy Spirit from His mother's womb....but I thought He did not receive the “power” of the Holy Spirit until He was baptized.
I never claimed that Jesus did miracles before His ministry started in the full power of the Spirit - unless you count overcoming sin and living a perfect life a miracle (I suppose it is).And also, doesn’t the Bible say that His first miracle was in Cana when He turned the water to wine? So He did He do miraculous things before then like walking on water or healing sick? I would think that would have caused quite a stir back then... I was always under the impression He waited to do those things until He started His ministry?
Jesus was true man as well as true God. In that man status He learned obedience and exercised that obedience to fulfill the entire Law and did this sacrificially for us all.Why does it say that Jesus “learned obedience”? (Hebrews 5)
The context of Hebrews 5:7 makes it clear that “who, in the days of His flesh” refers back to Christ, the main subject in v. 5.
In Gethsemane, Jesus agonized and wept, but committed Himself to do the Father’s will in accepting the cup of suffering which would bring His death (Matt. 26: 38–46; Luke 22: 44, 45).
Anticipating bearing the burden of judgment for sin, Jesus felt its fullest pain and grief (Is. 52: 14; 53: 3–5, 10).
Though He bore the penalty in silence and did not seek to deliver Himself from it (Is. 53: 7), He did cry out from the agony of the fury of God’s wrath poured on His perfectly holy and obedient Person (Matt. 27: 46; 2 Cor. 5: 21).
Jesus asked to be saved from remaining in death, i.e., to be resurrected (Ps. 16: 9, 10). “Though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered” (v. 8).
Christ did not need to suffer in order to conquer or correct any disobedience. In His deity (as the Son of God), He understood obedience completely. As the incarnate Lord, He humbled Himself to learn (Luke 2: 52).
He learned obedience for the same reasons He bore temptation: to confirm His humanity and experience its sufferings to the fullest (2: 10; Luke 2: 52; Phil. 2: 8). Christ’s obedience was also necessary so that He could fulfill all righteousness (Matt. 5: 13) and thus prove to be the perfect sacrifice to take the place of sinners (1 Pet. 3: 18).
He was the perfectly righteous One, whose righteousness would be imputed to sinners (Rom. 3: 24–26). “And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation” (v. 9). Because of the perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ and His perfect sacrifice for sin, He became the cause of salvation.
True salvation evidences itself in obedience to Christ, from the initial obedience to the gospel command to repent and believe (Acts 5: 32; Rom. 1: 5; 2 Thess. 1: 8; 1 Pet. 1: 2, 22; 4: 17) to a life pattern of obedience to the Word (Rom. 6: 16). —-John MacArthur
Quite plausible for learning purposes.I think it quite possible that Jesus "learning obedience" could refer to him learning to read and write under a rabbi or sophar at the synagogue or studying for the rabbinate in Bet Hillel.
Was that also known as 'suffering' by the pupils ?
Reading some responses here might just lead us to much suffering.I did not use the word 'suffer'
Quite plausible for learning purposes.
However, the OP refers to Hebrews 5 and related to suffering:
Hebrews 5: NASB
7In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety. 8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. 9And having been made perfect, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation, 10being designated by God as a high priest according to the order of Melchizedek.
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