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then we're evenI am sorry I am unsure of your posts meaning
then we're even
Death is far from rosy, and meeting ones demise by burning even less so.I appreciate this rosy opinion but you have failed to address anything in my post.
Concerning “punishment” one early church father wrote,
“‘Then these reap no advantage from their punishment, as it seems: moreover, I would say that they are not punished unless they are conscious of the punishment.” Justin Martyr [A.D. 110-165.] Dialogue with Trypho Chapter 4
Where is the mercy in eternal conscious torment? If you said "Without sin and death", I would agree with you but there is no possibility of mercy in any form of inescapable conscious suffering.Without sin and eternal suffering there is no such thing as mercy. Or without hate, there is no such thing as grace. No sin, = no concept of righteousness, or justice..... God created all for his glory. But since we want to sin, we incur the guilt and punishment.
That is what we are here to discuss. In any case hell as eternal conscious torment may well be the mainstream view, in which case a poll would force us to agree with the doctrine. But it is far from an essential doctrine and the high profile that this merciless and cruel doctrine has is a stumbling block to many.It is a pity that this thread did not include a poll. Given the fact that modern life is driven by polls and the media, we could have determined, by popular opinion, the truth of this essential doctrine of Christianity.
God is the Creator of all things. He loves everything He created, according to Genesis 1. But God hates Satan and demons and does not want anyone to live in the lake of fire that He created. I don't get it. My mom said a loving God would not create hell because He does not want people to suffer eternally, so she does not believe it exists. Why isn't this true?
That is what we are here to discuss. In any case hell as eternal conscious torment may well be the mainstream view, in which case a poll would force us to agree with the doctrine. But it is far from an essential doctrine and the high profile that this merciless and cruel doctrine has is a stumbling block to many.
For the most part I tend to agree.Sadly you'll find that many a church statement of faith espouses ECT as essential doctrine. That in my humble view qualifies it as a Babylon church.
God is the Creator of all things. He loves everything He created, according to Genesis 1. But God hates Satan and demons and does not want anyone to live in the lake of fire that He created. I don't get it. My mom said a loving God would not create hell because He does not want people to suffer eternally, so she does not believe it exists. Why isn't this true?
The argument seems to be more about whether those who are cast into the lake of fire (1)live forever in the fire or (2)are consumed and die.You spend eternity somewhere. Would it be fair for the righteous, those who have humbled themselves and repented to accept God's salvation, to spend eternity with those who hate God and will not repent? To spend eternity with extremely dangerous persons? This is not being holier than thou, it's just being realistic. If the unrepentant were sent to heaven the cycle of sin and fall would start all over again. It will be Hell wherever the wicked are. God Bless
“The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,” Romans 5:20 (NASB95)Do you have some scripture to back that up?
But how can his creation know hima part from sin?This is an acceptable reason for us to create attributes that oppose the nature of God.....not for God to create it. God needs and has no opposition....for the Lord is One and besides Him there is no others.
Anything contrary is created, successfully, i should add, in/by our own minds......maybe, as you suggest, because we need to sit in darkness, before appreciating light.
When Jesus chose not to condemn the woman caught in the act.....would you say this made Him a bad guy? Should He have punished her instead because He is Good and He caught one in sin?
He didn't punish her there because he is merciful. He also told her to stop sinning, because he knew that what she was doing was unlawful. Transgression against the law is death, but because God is merciful, he sent his son to die for us and be the final sin sacrifice for us, so that way we can be forgiven, and because of him, we can now thirst to be righteous. However, we must accept Jesus's sacrifice first, then we can forgive him and follow him.
I meant to say he can forgive us and then we can follow him, please check the original post again, I corrected the errors, sorry.
<AP>Death is far from rosy, and meeting ones demise by burning even less so.begin
Once again you totally ignored my post and substituted your assumptions/presuppositions.
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