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Exactly what i'm saying. You can't logically determine that Hebrews killing anyone or anything outside of their own tribe is genocide. To do that makes the term meaningless.
Exactly what i'm saying. You can't logically determine that Hebrews killing anyone or anything outside of their own tribe is genocide. To do that makes the term meaningless.
That´s what you get when you insist that morality is absolute. Every added qualifier would render the statement relativistic.Logic fail. You start with a flawed assumption (hurting others is wrong in every situation regardless) and further, this is overly simplistic.
Well, I for my part have no problems assuming that the position of my opponent is correct - for the sake of the argument - and then drawing conclusions from it. I also have no problems evaluating his position without taking my own preconceived ideas into account.What is to prevent the conclusion that it is your way of thinking that is narrow? And how do such things help anything at all?
Reading comprehension fail, I'm sorry.Logic fail. You start with a flawed assumption (hurting others is wrong in every situation regardless) and further, this is overly simplistic.
If you are going to claim to "take God into the picture," you are going to have to realize you don't know enough to be able to do what you are trying to do here. God always has surprises left for us.
So, having committed genocide, he is 'saved' and goes to heaven.
So what is objectively wrong with genocide, if it is not going to preclude one from entering this hypothetical heaven of yours?
Killing all Babylonians is not genocide?
Yes, I can use it quite fine - as an expression of my subjective opinion and feeling.
That the relativist has no problems and is completely consistent in his worldview (as quatona has shown over and over again) to say that something is wrong in their subjective view (and, in extrapolation, in intersubjective views shared with others) is something that the absolutist just cannot imagine.
Commanding genocide is righteous and just?
So much for "objective morals".
Is genocide objectively wrong?
If you can say that it is your position that it is, then I will answer your question. If not, then I will not answer your question.
Describe moral nihilism, in your words, in a manner that differentiates it from moral relativism.
But you can't even consistently maintain that genocide is objectively wrong, even with your supposedly 'objective' moral framework. A bit hypocritical to demand that others call genocide objectively wrong when you can't bring yourself to do so.
It's called empathy and reason. We have all the tools necessary for determing morality for ourselves without needing to read books written by men about imagined gods.
it is called empathy
Elioenai believes in objective morals. That means that a moral statement like "hurting others is wrong" is either correct or false... in every concievable situation. If it is correct in a single instance, it is correct in every instance.
stopping evil and suffering
So if a person's god tells them to participate in human sacrifices then they are moral, correct?
Before you were arguing that human sacrifices were immoral, but now you are making moral justifications that can be used to support human sacrifices. When your moral code is justified by "because my god says so" we see atrocities abound.
I just asked you if genocide is objectively wrong. Until you answer that, I see no reason to go any further.
Depends on the god you are referring to.
I do see a reason to go further. You want us to agree to the premise that objective moral values exist.
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