razeontherock
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He did. He also Blessed us with knowledge of agriculture. Why do we not care for our neighbors and brothers? And more to the point, what do you do about this?
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why does he not snap his fingers and create a food source for these innocent starving children?
The philosophies of liberalism and humanism is suppose to be the answer for every thing. If your are one of these, how come you have to ask Christians to explain your failures?No, I am not trying to place "blame" on anybody. I'm asking a simple question: if you could snap you fingers and feed all the hungry, would you? Since I'm assuming you would, what in God's nature makes him act so differently than us when it comes to love? Is there a reason you can explain to me?
Yikes. Actually poor geography, a stunting in cultural evolution, and lack of food is at fault.
Not if that idea is of a omni-benevolent, God, no. But scripture shows us that God chooses benevolence when He chooses, and damnation (in all its forms) when He chooses otherwise.
It's not that complicated.
Why do you assume that I'm blaming God for this? Why do you think I'm saying "It's God's fault we have world hunger, we have nothing to do with causing it"?
I could care less who's to blame, if anybody is to blame yeah it's us humans. My question is why doesn't God (in his infinite love) step in to help his creation and feed these poor innocent people?
Why do you assume that I'm blaming God for this? Why do you think I'm saying "It's God's fault we have world hunger, we have nothing to do with causing it"?
I could care less who's to blame, if anybody is to blame yeah it's us humans. My question is why doesn't God (in his infinite love) step in to help his creation and feed these poor innocent people?
I think God can step in and give us the time of a finger-snap to help some of these people out. He doesn't even exist in time so it would take less than a finger-snap for him. All he has to do is want it: God's will be done.
Yet you would agree with the statement "God is love", no?
Something that is the essence of love cannot by nature be anything but nice. That's why the Christian God concept contradicts and therefore isn't reality.
Thank you for your answer. Just to clarify, are you saying that famine is a form of damnation?
The concept that there are times when god chooses damnation over kindness is part of the problem for me, not an answer. It affects my ability to trust and feel close to a higher power. That's just where I am on my journey.
I've read some thought provoking ideas on this thread. I'm glad I came to this forum.
Oh, maybe its not complicated for you, but it is for me
Thank you for your answer. Just to clarify, are you saying that famine is a form of damnation?
The concept that there are times when god chooses damnation over kindness is part of the problem for me, not an answer. It affects my ability to trust and feel close to a higher power. That's just where I am on my journey.
I've read some thought provoking ideas on this thread. I'm glad I came to this forum.
Oh, maybe its not complicated for you, but it is for me
Where do you believe God should draw the line? We have been told we live in a fallen world. These are the fruits of sin.
Not all of us have failed this plan completely. If you want more done then simply do more. God has not put limits on what "we" are able to accomplish. All He needs is someone to step up and be that conduit to funnel out his blessings. If this is on your Heart perhaps He is calling you to do more or to be that conduit. the real question is will you heed the call.
It depends on the short and long term consequences of this action, and how that will effect my ultimate plans.
God is more concerned with the soul than with personal comfort.
This life is short, and our pain is temporary. So if it takes some suffering to save a person's soul, then guess what our loving Father is going to do.
Again, Earth is not Heaven. We can enjoy our eternity of bliss after our hearts have been made right.
Also, believe it or not, all disasters have a positive and negative side to it. Problem is, when we look at a disaster, we focus only on the negative. Then we shake our fists at the sky, as if God doesn't know what He's doing. But every once and a while, something big happens, which shocks us awake, and we turn to God instead of blaming Him.
Ten years ago, terrorists crashed planes into America's World Trade Center. The negative, of course, is that many people died. The positives were much greater to count. For a little while, the tragedy brought us together, even in prayer, and many people started asking questions about God.
He did. He also Blessed us with knowledge of agriculture. Why do we not care for our neighbors and brothers? And more to the point, what do you do about this?
The philosophies of liberalism and humanism is suppose to be the answer for every thing. If your are one of these, how come you have to ask Christians to explain your failures?
Without Christianity the atheist would have starved to death years ago. It is the humanist and atheist who are at fault and not God.
You people get busy and save the world like you say you can.
This pertains to people. You overlook essentially anything anyone says to you, and otherwise your words really aren't those of one seeking God.
If God snapped his fingers today and caused fruit trees to sprout up, tomorrow there would be men with heavy-duty chainsaws cutting them down.
But the food necessary for the end of suffering is already available. It's not a matter of causing it to exist; it's a matter of tearing down the political blockades that prevent it from getting to those who need it.
My answer would be No. Why because In most cases God chose this answer as well.I think if there were a line to draw, helping to feed starving children or curing cancer certainly would not "cross" this imaginary line. Again I'll ask to search your heart and as yourself "If I had the powers of God right now, would I feed all of the starving people, cure cancer, etc with a snap of my finger?" I think it's a simple yes or no question, my answer is yes.
Perhaps not As you understand it. If you can take a step back with me and look at what sin and the consequences of sin really and truly are, then perhaps you will have a broader understanding. (If you are looking for one.)The "fruits of our sin" shouldn't matter to a loving God. That is saying "Ah well you guys chose to sin and not follow me and now millions of you are dying from pointless causes. Too bad for you, should have listened to me. Unfortunately I'm not going to lend a hand here and help you out, the only way is by accepting my son's sacrifice and hoping for a better shot in your next life." To me, this does not match up with "love".
"death" is only a bad thing if you aren't prepared to die.OK, but this isn't about us following any plan of God's. Sure we can all do more, but the reality is that there are millions of innocent people dying as a result of our failure.
He does. Your question should be "Why does God not help us the way I want Him to, or the way I think he should? The answer is that because He does not subscribe to your brand of righteousness. There are many aspects to the world and reality we live in you and your righteousness have not accounted for.It's the simple question "Why does God not help us?"
Perhaps you should read the answer given, and look at what you are actually doing.Any answer that you provided does not match up with what I would call love, and directly conflicts with my human nature (that was supposed to be created in the image of God).
Let's see...
And what if those deaths and cost were apart of a greater plan?Short term consequences of pushing Katrina back out to see - you save thousands of lives and billions of dollars in recovery costs
Indeed. What of those who are now saved or found God as a result of Katrina. Or what of those who know God truly exists now because of Katrina? What of those who found out their faiths were shams based on their own personal prosperity? Is one soul worth the trivial billions of we associate with loss? You are aware that those dollars were only lost to the insurance and government agencies? That money was put into a depressed and destroyed community (Before the hurricane) Local business and local contractors local jobs.Long term consequences of pushing Katrina back out to see - you save millions of lives that result from the thousands of people that are now living and you save the government billions of dollars over the rebuilding costs
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My answer would be No. Why because In most cases God chose this answer as well.
This means all of them, otherwise if God bailed us out when the consequences got too serious, then the choices we make would mean nothing.
"death" is only a bad thing if you aren't prepared to die.
He does. Your question should be "Why does God not help us the way I want Him to, or the way I think he should? The answer is that because He does not subscribe to your brand of righteousness. There are many aspects to the world and reality we live in you and your righteousness have not accounted for.
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