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If a god exists, this is apparently the case.Maybe our world is not important to it as other worlds?Assuming a god exists, it has chosen to remain invisible. Just how does it better serve this god's agenda to have a world in which he doesn't manifest himself in reality? A world in which an existent god which doesn't manifest itself in reality is indistinguishable from a non-existent god?
If a god exists, this certainly is the case. Why would a god who loves everyone and wants to relationship with everyone not make himself visible?Maybe we cant see it but it can see us?
Poor analogy. Ants and termites almost certainly don't possess the cognitive capabilities to believe humans exist.Kinda like us observing ants or termites from above, they can go about their business completely oblivious to us observing.
Be careful. You're placing the burden of proof upon yourself when you say that.Perhaps it is because the concept of salvation is purely mans idea.Furthermore, why would a god set up a system in which our salvation is dependent upon believing something to exist on insufficient evidence?
Very well said. Perhaps some Christians can explain themselves.So simple, yet this seemingly so difficult (for Christians) to understand.
I bet they wouldn't believe an empty carspace is evidence of a monster that eats cars.
You said one can look at the sky and see God. Am I supposed to take that to mean something other than what you said? Or are you serious when one looks at the sky they see God?Since we can't see each others faces during a forum dialog, I am at pains to decide how seriously to take your remarks. Do you honestly not understand my explanations and examples, or do you understand them just fine, and are pulling my leg, or being intentionally obtuse with your tongue in your cheek?If God is tangible and visible, then in this era where almost everyone in advanced countries has a camera and the internet is so widely available, why don't we see a photograph of this tangible, visible God on the internet?
If I look at the sky, I see sky. So you are using the term 'God' to describe the sky. Why call it 'God' when 'sky' is more widely understood and universally accepted?
That's not a good example of something making itself visible.
The experiences you cited weren't evidence of a god. It sounds more like rationalizations put together to deal with those who question your belief.In any event, I have described my very real experience of God to you in the best terms I know how. I will await someone else to give you better examples which may be more in your wheelhouse.
Peace,
Steven
So simple, yet this seemingly so difficult (for Christians) to understand.
I bet they wouldn't believe an empty carspace is evidence of a monster that eats cars.
If God is tangible and visible, then in this era where almost everyone in advanced countries has a camera and the internet is so widely available, why don't we see a photograph of this tangible, visible God on the internet?
the answer is simple. our brains only recognize 4 dimentions. and so does our equipment.
Having not read the thread, I'd say it is for the same reason Thor remains invisible and undetectable. Because he doesn't exist.
If a god exists, this is apparently the case.
If a god exists, this certainly is the case. Why would a god who loves everyone and wants to relationship with everyone not make himself visible?
Poor analogy. Ants and termites almost certainly don't possess the cognitive capabilities to believe humans exist.
Be careful. You're placing the burden of proof upon yourself when you say that.
There is plenty of literature one can read to educate oneself better on deducing false gods. A lot of Saint Augustine's writings are all about going right for the throat of Greek and Roman gods, logically proving why they cannot be real.
There's a lot out there one can receive a lot of insight on, but you aren't going to find absolutely anything by your standing because there is nothing to be had- I bet you don't even realize, with all your 'god doesn't exist' pea shots, that physicists indirectly state that it would make more sense if the universe didn't exist.
With that kind of dead end brick wall, how do atheists even begin to try and stand in the way of divine insight or reprove?
Atheists need to just get over perpetual, idol skepticism
Having not read the thread, I'd say it is for the same reason Thor remains invisible and undetectable. Because he doesn't exist.
Do you know anyone who claimed Thor is the Creator of the universe and that He "spoke" it into existence? The universe was created by that which has no mass but is very real.
In case you didn't know Thor was trashed when they learn about Jesus Christ.
Do you know anyone who claimed Thor is the Creator of the universe and that He "spoke" it into existence? The universe was created by that which has no mass but is very real.
In case you didn't know Thor was trashed when they learn about Jesus Christ.
There is plenty of literature one can read to educate oneself better on deducing false gods.
And the reason no one believes is due to Christianity. That's a testimony for Christianity and not against it as you are trying to suggest.Oh, so because no one today believes it, it's just mythology and not true? People back then believed very much that it was true. The fact that no one today believes it does not mean that no one ever believed it.
Try again.
Who claimed Zeus was the creator of the universe which is held together by the power of His word? Are you making this claim?Was Zeus or any other God's of pagan religions, thought to be or have the title, the "creator" and that he "spoke" the universe into existence, and was the one and only true God?
And the reason no one believes is due to Christianity. That's a testimony for Christianity and not against it as you are trying to suggest.
It the same the idea of the four elements: earth, wind, fire and water was replaced by chemistry.
Exactly. Jesus Christ "works".No it isn't. The four elements idea was replaced by chemistry because chemistry produced actual results. It WORKED. The student didn't need to just take the teacher's word for it, they could do the experiment and see for themselves.
OK.I am not aware of any powers that Christianity has to make more accurate predictions than any other religion. Perhaps you'd care to show me some?
Also, if people leave Christianity for atheism, is that to be taken as testimony for atheism being a better explanation than Christianity?
Exactly. Jesus Christ "works".
A Thor worshiper turn to Christ is not the same as someone leaving Christianity for atheism. It is illogical for someone claiming they had a personal relationship with God then suddenly converted to claim there is no creator at all. It would make more sense if someone became a deist or another faith.
It would make more sense if someone became a deist or another faith.
This is like someone claiming they saw a rainbow then turn around to claim they don't exist. This is why I doubts there is really such a thing as an atheist.
Oh that's silly. Rainbows can be measured, and there are scientific explanations for them. Even if I turn and can't see the rainbow, I still know that the scientific principles that cause one to appear are in effect.
You assume because you are not aware of something than everyone else aren't either. You can't prove a rainbow existence to a blind person. Thus if someone claims to have seen a raindow then later deny their existence then the most logical conclusion would be either they are lying or they are blind.
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