Why does God allow suffering? Good suffering or bad suffering?

Which kind of suffering to you identify most with?

  • A little good suffering

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  • A lot of good suffering

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  • A lot of bad suffering

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  • A little bad suffering

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Gottservant

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Hi there,

This was not my discovery - a friend of mine at TAFE (Technical And Further Education) coined the idea and I was so impressed I made sure he knew I would remember it.

The question is: Why does God allow suffering?

The return question is: Good suffering or bad suffering?

It completely matters, that God provides a way out of a choice that leaves us with less than we truly want, but by the same token gives us more reason to believe than destroying that choice would allow.

Suffering, is a choice.
 

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Bad things happen so that something greater will overcome the bad.
Even if evil overcomes the bad in the end righteousness will overcome the wicked.

You can't have "the best song ever" without first there being something lesser. Otherwise it'd be the only song ever.
You must have stairway to heaven first before they could ever make narrow way to heaven.
 
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Bad things happen so that something greater will overcome the bad.
Even if evil overcomes the bad in the end righteousness will overcome the wicked.

You can't have "the best song ever" without first there being something lesser. Otherwise it'd be the only song ever.
You must have stairway to heaven first before they could ever make narrow way to heaven.

Wow, beautifully said.

I am so glad you wrote that for a reply!
 
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"Why the pain?" "Why the suffering?" "Why does it have to be so hard," my aged father agonized with labored breath? I did not have an answer, I did not understand "the fellowship of His sufferings." …

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Greatness is not always good or bad. Simply it is the greater of the two, rather than the lesser.

The day of ones death is always greater than the day of ones birth..

As Joseph from Genesis might have said, "all these things must've taken place for the current result to be what it is today."
 
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Hi there,

This was not my discovery - a friend of mine at TAFE (Technical And Further Education) coined the idea and I was so impressed I made sure he knew I would remember it.

The question is: Why does God allow suffering?

The return question is: Good suffering or bad suffering?

It completely matters, that God provides a way out of a choice that leaves us with less than we truly want, but by the same token gives us more reason to believe than destroying that choice would allow.

Suffering, is a choice.
With due respect for what you are getting at, I'm am sure that there are many in this world who would disagree.

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Hi there,

This was not my discovery - a friend of mine at TAFE (Technical And Further Education) coined the idea and I was so impressed I made sure he knew I would remember it.

The question is: Why does God allow suffering?

The return question is: Good suffering or bad suffering?

It completely matters, that God provides a way out of a choice that leaves us with less than we truly want, but by the same token gives us more reason to believe than destroying that choice would allow.

Suffering, is a choice.
Is it now?

John 12:25

Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.


John 15:19

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.


James 4:4

Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


1 John 2:15

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.


1 Corinthians 4:11

Even unto this present hour we both hunger, and thirst, and are naked, and are buffeted, and have no certain dwelling place; 12 And labor, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it: 13 Being defamed, we entreat: we are made as the filth of the world, and are the off scouring of all things unto this day. 14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you."


Matthew 5:3

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.


Luke 6:20

“Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. 21 Blessed are you who hunger now, for you will be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you will laugh. 22 Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. 23 “Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets. 24 “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort. 25 Woe to you who are well fed now, for you will go hungry. Woe to you who laugh now, for you will mourn and weep. 26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you, for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.


2 Corinthians 12:10

That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.


Matthew 10:22

You will be hated by everyone because of Me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.


Philippians 1:21

For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22 If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24 but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. 25 Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith


1 Thessalonians 3:7

Therefore, brothers and sisters, in all our distress and persecution we were encouraged about you because of your faith. 8 For now we really live, since you are standing firm in the Lord.
 
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Hi there,......
It completely matters, that God provides a way out of a choice that leaves us with less than we truly want, but by the same token gives us more reason to believe than destroying that choice would allow.
Suffering, is a choice.
How about SCOURGING ? It is a kind of painful suffering, under the hand of God, and is REQUIRED of all His sons. ANYONE without SCOURGING is not His son, His Word Says somewhere directly and several places otherwise.
 
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The $64,000 question. I don't for the life of me understand why bad things happen to ordinary people & most times the outcomes are bad. We have such a violent world, a corrupt world, & those who have committed the highest usurpation of power, nothing seems to happen to them for us to witness. In a few situations I have seen persons suffer & they go on doing things like an apostle & then they get called home. Why not leave them here on earth to keep some of the light shining.
 
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The $64,000 question. I don't for the life of me understand why bad things happen to ordinary people & most times the outcomes are bad. We have such a violent world, a corrupt world, & those who have committed the highest usurpation of power, nothing seems to happen to them for us to witness. In a few situations I have seen persons suffer & they go on doing things like an apostle & then they get called home. Why not leave them here on earth to keep some of the light shining.
It's the book of Job.. A timeless tale.
 
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