why does gd create you with a sinfull nature

[silentthinker]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.
If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?
Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

"and the mold you used was defected because you allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurity's >"the devil""

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

 

[WarEagle]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?

Read Romans 5:12. It explains that God did not create man with a sin nature.

If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?

You forgot to mention that God gives all sinners the opportunity to be forgiven, reconciled to Him, and made a child of His.

It is only after they reject this opportunity that they are condemned.

As Adrian Rogers once said, "If you go to Hell, you're going to have to climb over the cross to get there".

Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

False premise. God doesn't create anyone with a sin nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

The best choice would be to find out what the Bible teaches before coming to a Christian message board and telling us what it teaches.

The bottom line is that the situation is what it is.

Whether or not you believe that God created you with a sin nature, or whether you believe the Bible when it says that sin came through Adam, not God, the fact remains that you, silentthinker, have sinned and are culpable before God for that sin.

 

[Emmy]

Dear silentthinker. When God created us, we were good, God created us in His image. That means different than anything else in the Universe, we were capable of thinking, and being able to choose between being good, or being Not good. When Adam and Eve believed the Serpent rather than God, they knew that they had disobeyed, and they were banished to Earth. Instead repenting, being sorry for their disobedience to God, they became more selfish and unloving, and moved farther and farther away from God. All who came after Adam and Eve, were just as selfish and wilfull, they inherited the same character - genes. In time all men and women were steeped in sins and wrongdoings. In time Jesus came, He showed us how God really is, a loving Heavenly Father, who wants us back again. Jesus was all - Man and at the same time all - God. Jesus was without sin, Jesus loves us all, and died for us all, and Jesus reconciled us to God. Jesus told us to exchange our selfish and unloving natures, into a loving God first, and with all our being, and also love each other, as we love ourselves, treat others as we would like to be treated. Jesus will help and guide us back to God, if we ask Him in sincere prayer. The Bible is God speaking to men and women, and if you want to know more about God`s Love for us, silentthinker, join a Bible - study group, or read the Bible yourself. Start with the 4 Gospels. I say this kindly and with love. Sincere greetings from Emmy, sister in Christ.

 

[Stinker]

Sinful nature.

Sin is transgression of God's law. (1Jn.3:4)

Were Adam & Eve created as carnal beings? Meaning according to the Koine Greek; sarkikos- animal nature. To be carnal (sarkikos) is to have an animal nature. This points to Evolution more than supports a literal understanding of the Genesis creation story. To believe otherwise would mean that the nature of Adam & Eve became carnal after eating the fruit.....when the story plainly shows that it took a carnal nature to begin with for them to go ahead and do what they did.

"Does just having a carnal nature ALONE make that person sin or sinful? What about temptation and the super tempter ?" Some would ask. This is where it gets interesting. The Old Testament teaches that sin occurs when one acts to satisfy the carnal urge. A carnal action is what it takes. In the New Testament, Jesus teaches that the carnal urge itself is sin or sinful. (Mt.5:27-28)

'Would this carnal nature just lay dormant throughout our life, and we would be sinless till we died.......if there were no super tempter to excite it' some might ask. I do believe this is what the Bible is saying.

 

[tapero]

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[MrPolo]

There is the factor of free will involved. It is not that Adam was a "failure" of a clay pot and God kept making more failures. Adam was created with free will to choose God, i.e. right instead of wrong. Without free will there is no love. If we are created robotic, then there is no love for God on our part. This virtue we call "love" is in its essence God.

And when you say we have a sinful "nature", I think it needs to be clarified: the only thing we inherit from Adam is the fallen nature that caused us to need Christ to save us. Because of Adam, we needed Christ to die on the cross to make eternal joy possible. We don't "have" to commit any of the specific sins that we do.

 

[zeke37]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.
If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?
Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

"and the mold you used was defected because you allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurity's >"the devil""

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

God created all souls way before this age...way before any flesh man walked the earth...

there was a rebellion back then, that caused God to set up this age of flesh man....for redemption...through Jesus.

so we were not actually created with a sin nature...even Satan himself was good at one point...but free will caused him to turn.

so our flesh image is created as a means to get us back to God...this flesh body existance has a sin nature....

when He returns, those that are His will not have a sin nature ever again...







it is because of the events in the time before the foundations of this world(age)



forever is a long time, and no losers are allowed

in His service
c

 

[TimRout]

Problem: If God is all powerful and loving, why would He create human beings who are infected with Adam's sin? Why wouldn't He just make subsequent human beings perfect, the way He created Jesus?


Answer: It is important to remember that the Lord Jesus Christ is God, the Son [Titus 2:13]. He always existed, even as the Father and the Holy Spirit have always existed [John 1:1; 8:58]. It was God, acting through the preincarnate Person of the Son, who created all things [John 1:3], including humans. Consequently, while Jesus was incarnated through the womb of Mary, He was not created. Jesus is perfect because Jesus is God, and God's nature is perfect [Leviticus 19:2; Matthew 5:48].


That said, you are very correct to note that God could have sent Adam and Eve straight to hell, and started over from scratch with brand new perfect people if He had so desired. From a human perspective, this would certainly have been the most efficient, pragmatic, ethical thing to do. However, God is not human. His perspective is a great deal larger than ours, and His purposes are sometimes difficult for us to comprehend.


While it would have been simple enough to obliterate Adam and Eve for their sin, God chose to do something remarkable. In spite of His great anger, He chose to show them kindness. After all, one would expect a God rich in mercy to act mercifully toward sinners. Before Yahweh had even pronounced judgment, He dropped the first hint of His soon-to-be-revealed salvation plan [Genesis 3:15] – the coming seed of the woman – the Messiah. Though this mention is brief and nonspecific, later Scriptures fill in some important details. For example, God returns to this “seed” metaphor in His covenant with Abraham.


“And in your seed, all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.” [Genesis 22:18/NASB]


This theme is later picked up by the Apostle Paul in the New Testament, where he says, “Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, 'And to seeds', as referring to many, but rather to one. 'And to your seed', that is, Christ.” [Galatians 3:16/NASB]


God chose to show Adam and Eve mercy. He chose to give them another chance. In doing so, He permitted them to continue as they were engineered – making babies and producing a world full of people who, unfortunately, are just like Mom and Dad. That said, God's mercy extends far beyond Adam and Eve. It is available to all who will repent of their sins and put their trust in Jesus, the Messiah. While God raised up a special nation (Israel) to serve Him, it was ALWAYS His intention to save people from every nation through the Messiah. God does things the way He wants to. Our finite intuitions are altogether inadequate. We must trust the Creator to know what He's doing. After all, words like “fairness”, “justice”, “love”, “mercy”, “righteousness” and the like, derive their meaning from the character of God.

Hope this helps. If I've misunderstood your question, let me know and I'll try again.

 

[seashale76]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.
If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?
Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

"and the mold you used was defected because you allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurity's >"the devil""

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

My post may repeat a bit, as I am copying and pasting old posts of mine together. It's not that I don't mean to answer your question, I simply find myself repeating myself a lot (even in Christian areas) as the same topics come up quite a bit.

Adam's sin brought death into the world. We all suffer the consequence of Adam's sin; death. Yet, Adam's sin is not ours. However, we all sin, as sin is anything which keeps us from communion with God, which is our entire purpose for being. Without Christ, it isn't possible to commune with God. Christ defeated sin and death. Through Christ's Holy Church, which is the ark of our salvation, we are now able to commune with God in the way He always intended. Because of Adam's sin, we were all inflicted with death. The Good News being, that through Christ, the New Adam, we can all be given eternal life. Corporate salvation. Yet, it is dependent on each of us choosing to live out our lives working out our salvation in His Church. We must finish the race.

Hell and heaven are two different experiences of the same state, which is being in the presence of the living God.

We inherit the consequence of sin, not their sin. Nobody is born depraved. God doesn't create evil. In fact, God is love and desires none to perish. It is an interesting parallel to the reality of corporate salvation in the Church, as Christ has freed us from the curse of death.

Sin means 'to miss the mark.' The mark is, of course, living a life fully in accordance with the life and teachings of Christ. So, to sin is to keep oneself separated from God. Sin can be voluntary or involuntary and can be achieved with our knowledge or our ignorance. Some things are obvious sins. Others, not so much. Sin is personal in nature and you will find no definitive list of what is or isn't a sin. You can be sure that anything which causes a person to 'miss the mark' is a sin. We don't inherit original sin, just the consequence of it, which is death.

Christ defeated sin and death.

In the Christian view, everyone sins. This doesn't mean that we are born depraved though. The Church is the ultimate hospital and Christ is the Great Physician. To a Christian, we live out our lives in the Church, and must daily make a decision to take up our cross and follow Christ. The Church is there to help us turn from our sins. A person who perseveres in this will attain theosis. Our struggle with sin is something that everyone must contend with.

The scriptures don't doom people to hell; they doom themselves. What is hell anyway?
I'm swiping this from here http://www.christianforums.com/t2642...ox-church.html as it says it better than I could:

The Orthodox teaching is that Heaven and Hell are the same "place" , standing in front of God. The Judgment is individual perception, determined by one's relationship to God. This perception will determine whether or not one experiences it as paradise (Heaven) or agony (Hell) eternally .

 

[prgallo]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.
If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?
Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

"and the mold you used was defected because you allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurity's >"the devil""

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

I think you have over analyzed this. The Gospel is actually very simple. Someone is either "in Adam" or "in Christ". Not saved (Adam) or saved (Christ). The deliniation is absolute and clear. Salvation is available to everyone, and is a free gift by the grace of God. That's simple.

If some people might be lost, but maybe not, just how confusing and stressful would it be to never know your destiny. That would be cruel and unfair. All said the plan of salvation makes it simple for us. God does let us choose as Him building a bunch of robots wouldn't be much of a relationship, much less a loving relationship.

So there is no failure on God's part, just mans. God provided the perfect plan, full of mercy and grace and like I stated above, free.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.

God created mankind with adam - we procreate. Sin touches everyone. Can you say you have never sinned? No one can, except Christ.

As to the underlined portion of your statement - Jesus was tempted in every point just like Adam and did not sin. Adam did sin so if being without sin nature causes one not to sin , then adam couldnt have been able to sin. This demonstrates that Jesus was wholly without sin while being tempted just as we are. The bible even states He was tempted and even by the devil himself. Yet remained without spot or stain of sin.

If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?

Wow thats quite a bit oversimplified and suggests that all those condemned to hell had no choice in the matter when that isnt so. Jesus died for all mankind. Hell is for those who willfully reject the saving sacrifice of Christ. In other words for those who no matter what God does for them refuse to give headship to God AND instead make themselves their own God to say what is right and what is not. Would you allow a teenager or adult child to remain in your home when they absolutely uniquovocably refuse to acknowledge your leadership in your own home?

Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

Again way oversimplified and ignoring several issues. God created us for fellowship and love - love is shared and even when its not returned its given.

Do people have children all the time knowing full well their child could grow up and hate them? Yes they take that chance for love.

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

Ah but we arent robot like - we are given free will because without it we couldnt love in return. God doesnt want robots - so we are given choice. Would you want someone who doesnt love you? Would you want them to be forced to be with you? No. Not to mention there is again the issue of one who will NOT acknowledge Gods leadership as creator and Lord.

If God allowed those who refuse to acknowledge His ways are above our ways and the horrible effects of sin - will cause the same problems that plague the world today - liars , malice , hate, murder etc.. to happen amoung those who acknowledge Him and admit their sin and desire to be CLEAN from it and allow HIM leadership over them the way it was intended and what we were made for.

A Good Father protects His children and that leads us back to would you allow someone who harmed others in your home and refused to acknloweldge your leadership of your own home to stay or would you protect (love protects) those who will follow?

"and the mold you used was defected because you im allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurioty's >"the devil""

the devil doesnt make anyone sin, he makes it look good but we choose. God will give a way out of temptation for those who seek it.

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

This is the point - with the bolded statement youve made yourself God by calling the Creator and God of all things a failure as if you are greater. That is what caused the fall - man thought his ways were better than Gods and refused to acknowledge God as God and took leadership over SELF. God hasnt failed - by allowing us free will and also giving us a way to forgiveness for our willful sins - we do not have to be lost - we can have a restored relationship unless of course we continue to desire our own way. Our choice. Oiur way leads to death and His to life. Choose wisely.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

Romans 2:12. For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13. (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14. for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things contained in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15. who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)

Romans 1:19. because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21. because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22. Professing to be wise, they became fools

Isaiah 55:
6. Seek the Lord while He may be found, call upon Him while He is near.
7. Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, and He will have mercy on him; and to our God, for He will abundantly pardon.
8. "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,'' says the Lord.
9. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.

 

[Restube]

Why does god create the rest of mankind that came after adam with sinfull nature and then condemn mankind for adams sin?
When he also created jesus who also came after adam with a sinless nature.
It was the virgin brith witch kept jesus form being condemned buy adams sins,not anything thing that jesus did.
If god really loved mankind as you christians are allways saying shouldn't god have casted Adam in the lake of fire where he belongs instead of bringing millions of other people into to the world and condemning them to hell because he brought them into the world under Adams sin?
Knowing all a long that they would reject him if god did this.

If given you are given a choice between
A.
Not createing someone.
or
b.
Creating someone and the end result is that they suffer eternaly because you chose to create them with a sinfull nature.

Isn't the good choice, the right choice,not create them at all?

If your a person who makes clay pots and the clay pot you make comes out defected
you don't use the same mold again that made the clay pot and make more defective clay pots.

When the clay pots break you don't try to use "jesus" glue to ty to glue them together,
while your curse and throw into the trash the ones that did take to the glue because of the defected mold you used.

"and the mold you used was defected because you allowed the mold to become contaminated with impurity's >"the devil""

No you just admit your failure and start with a new mold,if not your just going to waste perfectly good clay.

People do not go to Hell. Only Satan and his demons will go to Hell.