Why do you think its wrong

[Shizzle]

Id like to know the reason that people think Masturbation, Sexual fantasies, Animated porn, or alchohol consumption is sinful. Use biblical support plz, King James Version(its least simplified).

1. Lust
Lust in the bible means wants as seen in Deuteronomy 14:26

And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

The modern meaning of Lust is Sexual fantasies

2. Immorality
If a verse says something about immorality being wrong, yet the bible does not define any of these actions as being immoral anywhere inside it, then that verse is not relevant to any of these actions, so dont post it.

3. Matthew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Causes:
A. Looketh upon a woman
B. To lust after her
Effects:
A. Adultery in your heart (thus sin)

in sexual fantasies, cause A is not fulfilled.
in animated porn, cause A is not fulfilled.
This verse was very specific about how adultery could be commited in your heart, it is not saying that adultery can be commited in your heart as it can in reality.

4. Onan
Onan was killed because he didnt fulfill his commitment to his brother to give his brothers wife children.
It doesnt say he masturbated, it says he spilled his seed, he could have used withdrawal for all we know.

5. Drunkeness
drinking alchohol does not make you drunk, verses that say drunkeness are wrong only say that, getting drunk is wrong. They never say alchoholic drinks are sinful.

Did i mispell alchohol?

Please do not post here unless you have a bible verse that you believe to imply or infer that any of these topics are wrong

 

[Theophorus]

In the old testament, the terms adultery and fornication were used outside of the physicl sense to express a fornication or adlutery of spirit. 2 Chr 21:11, is 23:17, plus a multitude of others. The case you make is dependant on the recepient of the lust being and actual person, but the adultery og Isreal took place with "imaginary" gods, also fanatasies of a type.

The statements of Christ mention adultery of the heart, which can take place with a real or imaginary person. One could even argue that actual fornication is often with an imaginary person, as the person is percieved in the mind of the "luster" is not the real person.

Jude 7 also mentions that filthy dreamers defile the flesh. This paticular issue is really part of a larger one thast includes all of the passions to include greed, sloth, gluttony covetenousness etc. The principle being that because of the fallen state of man, these things put us into bondage, that they have a tendency to rule our lives and we become slaves to them.
One could argue that, well if I only touch once a year, I am not a slave, but in fact that is not true. Your alcohol analogy falls short.

I am greedy, but I still only steal, once a year, or only once. This does not mean having money is a sin. Same with alcohol.

I am controlled by the passion of lust, but I may never commit a physical act of fornication, but that does not make having a wife a sin.

Anger, may manifest itself as murder but may not. It is till sinful.

Paul exhorts us to "cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor 7:1)

also in Gal 5:23, part of the fruits of the spirit are
" Meekness, temperance (self control), ...
verse 24
" And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections of the flesh."

The flesh being here, not just tissue and blood, but a force or desires that are our own, and not the desires of God.

 

[Shizzle]

In the old testament, the terms adultery and fornication were used outside of the physicl sense to express a fornication or adlutery of spirit. 2 Chr 21:11, is 23:17, plus a multitude of others.

no they werent.. this is 2 Chronicles 21:11 and 23:17
21:11-Moreover, he made high places in the mountains of Judah, and caused the inhabitants of Jerusalem to play the harlot and led Judah astray.
23:17-And all the people wemt to the house of Baal, and tore it down, and they broke its in pieces his altars and his images and killed Mattan the priest of Baal before the alters.
that doesnt talk about fornification or adultery of the spirit, perhaps your using a different bible version? King James..

The case you make is dependant on the recepient of the lust being and actual person, but the adultery og Isreal took place with "imaginary" gods, also fanatasies of a type.

no im not, im saying lust isnt wrong at all. Israel worshipped and made temples to other non-existant Gods, it just uses adultery as an analogy. Even so, they werent fantasies when the israelites were worshiping the fake Gods.

The statements of Christ mention adultery of the heart, which can take place with a real or imaginary person. One could even argue that actual fornication is often with an imaginary person, as the person is percieved in the mind of the "luster" is not the real person.

which commandments of christ, the only one that i saw that mentioned adultery in the heart is Matthew 5:28, which i covered earlier. Give the verses in which christ mentions adultery of the heart besides that one.

Jude 7 also mentions that filthy dreamers defile the flesh. This paticular issue is really part of a larger one thast includes all of the passions to include greed, sloth, gluttony covetenousness etc.

I see immorality, and dreaming of defiling the flesh, but A- It doesnt define immorality to be related to Masturbation anywhere in the bible, ect. and B- it says that these men, by dreaming, defile the flesh, and some other stuff, in the context of Jude 8-13 it is talking about how to determine who is a fake teacher. But it doesnt say how the defile the flesh here, yet in otheer spots it talks about homosexuality defiling the flesh and such.

The principle being that because of the fallen state of man, these things put us into bondage, that they have a tendency to rule our lives and we become slaves to them.

yet it doesnt define Masturbation, lust, ect to be one of them.

One could argue that, well if I only touch once a year, I am not a slave, but in fact that is not true. Your alcohol analogy falls short.
I am greedy, but I still only steal, once a year, or only once. This does not mean having money is a sin. Same with alcohol.

what alchohol analogy, i never said anything about i only do it once a while. Dont lable me with the stupid attitudes of others youve seen, im saying that its not a sin at all, if you do it fifty times a day or once in ten years, its still not a sin.

I am controlled by the passion of lust, but I may never commit a physical act of fornication, but that does not make having a wife a sin.
Anger, may manifest itself as murder but may not. It is till sinful.

What are you talking about, i am not controlled by the passion of lust, its not a sin and is no big deal, the bible says that those who get angry at their brother are in danger of council, he doesnt say anything about sexual fantasies.

Paul exhorts us to "cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God" (2 Cor 7:1)

yup, but where does it define filthiness as relating to Masturbation, lust, ect

also in Gal 5:23, part of the fruits of the spirit are
" Meekness, temperance (self control), ...
verse 24
" And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections of the flesh."

this is talking about not sinning, it doesnt define sin as mastubation or lust, i said up there plz dont bother posting something that tells you not to sin if you cant prove its sinful whotsoever.

The flesh being here, not just tissue and blood, but a force or desires that are our own, and not the desires of God.

this is talking about the flesh, the sinful nature we have. yet once again it doesnt define sin as masturbation or lust.

Still man, none of your reasons are true. All you would have to do is post a bible verse that says, implies, or feintly infers that any one of these things is sinful, but there are none, because its not sinful at all.

 

[AquaFINEa]

Id like to know the reason that people think Masturbation, Sexual fantasies, Animated porn, or alchohol consumption is sinful. Use biblical support plz, King James Version(its least simplified).

3. Matthew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

You already answered your own question.

When a person looks at porn, they do not see that person as anything more than a "means" to an "end." They are not looking at this person as a child of God, but rather, they are objectifying that person to fullfill a selfish desire. They are looking to a man or woman to lust after; thus, enticing him or her to touch (enticement working on a desire of the flesh that was already-present).

James 1:14-15 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

Romans 6:20 "For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness."

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."



If you are looking for someone to point to a verse that mentions the specific word touching yourself or porn in the Bible, you may be waiting for quite some time. For example, it doesn't say, specifically in the Bible that smoking crack is wrong, nor does it say specifically that running across a busy street, with complete abandonment, is wrong -however, that isn't to say that these things are not damaging to a person. touching yourself is damaging for several reasons; one of which stands out to me. It is an act of sexual immorality that God speaks against in the Bible. (You may not be having sex with a man or woman in your mind -nor physically with their bodies, but if you are viewing porn and masterbating to that, then you are nonetheless using those people you are seeing to lust after or "get off" on; thus, you are lusting). But wait, according to God's Word, if you have even looked to a woman to lust after, you have committed adultery in your own heart. Just because you cannot see the men or women in the video as you can see your foot on the ground does not mean that you aren't looking upon them. To continue with that, when you touch, you are performing "half" of a sex act, which would conclude that you are engaging in a sex act -unless you don't (?) consider touching yourself sexual.

On a psychological level, touching yourself makes a person dependant upon themself for sexual gratification, which would no longer require a physical counterpart, per se. It causes someone to think that they don't necessarily "need" a wife or husband to fullfill him or her, sexually; which, in turn, makes someone totally into him or herself as opposed to having a loving, respectful view of their spouse -and ultimately, themself. After marriage, a spouse may feel slighted if past sexual experiences causes their partner to fantasize about other people (perhaps verbalizing on that and calling his wife a different name or out of frustration, asks why his wife can't be more like ____) or touch on their own when they could be having sex with their spouse (a verse I cannot think of right now states that spouses shouldn't [withold] sex from each other).

Getting back to pornography: If one is viewing porn, it goes without saying that one is then, condoning this kind of behaviour -that of people selling their bodies in this form of prostitution. There is a moral decision you are making in doing such a thing, as well. If we are to love one another as Christ loves us, does that include making sure that the videos you buy are from companies which ensure that the "actors" are well-taken care of, in regard to their health? Do they wear condoms? Again, if one is playing off pornography as no big deal, and claiming that it is moral -how can one insinuate that people (specifically young women) aren't being taken advantage of in an industry that thrives upon ignorance, greed and lust? Doesn't sound too Christ-like to me.

To get back to 2 Chronicles 21: Colossians 3 comes to mind (to expand upon the issue of idolatry), specifically verse 5.


Getting back to Romans 8:9, when we are in Christ, we are no longer slaves to sin. I think the entire book of Romans would help you tremendously here. Hope this helps.

 

[Shizzle]

James 1:14-15 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

temptation, then wants(the biblical, meaning of lust is wants as shown #1), "but when his wants hath concieved, it bringeth forth sin"

when they have become physical, when he has acted upon them, he has sinned.

When a person looks at porn, they do not see that person as anything more than a "means" to an "end." They are not looking at this person as a child of God, but rather, they are objectifying that person to fullfill a selfish desire.

animated porn*, and why do you presume that their objectifying? upon what basis of support do you base this upon, this has the support equivalent to the big bang theory

Romans 6:20 "For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness."

Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

goody, we are free from sin, we shouldnt sin. Of course, what your point?

If you are looking for someone to point to a verse that mentions the specific word touching yourself or porn in the Bible, you may be waiting for quite some time. For example, it doesn't say, specifically in the Bible that smoking crack is wrong, nor does it say specifically that running across a busy street, with complete abandonment, is wrong -however, that isn't to say that these things are not damaging to a person.

why did you write a big post if your just going to skim over what your replying to, this is what i said:
"a bible verse that you believe to imply or infer"
imply, infer, classifies as sinful in someway.

touching yourself is damaging for several reasons; one of which stands out to me. It is an act of sexual immorality that God speaks against in the Bible. (You may not be having sex with a man or woman in your mind -nor physically with their bodies, but if you are viewing porn and masterbating to

that, then you are nonetheless using those people you are seeing to lust after or "get off" on; thus, you are lusting).

Why did you skim over my post and write all this
A- The bible does not define or infer masturbation to be immoral
B- The bible does not define or infer sexual fantasies to be wrong
C- I said Animated porn*
You are reffering to Matthew 5:28, please look up at points #1 and #3, as i covered this adequately there.

On a psychological level, touching yourself makes a person dependant upon themself for sexual gratification, which would no longer require a physical counterpart, per se. It causes someone to think that they don't necessarily "need" a wife or husband to fullfill him or her, sexually;

When we all die, we are going to be on a giant smoldering burrito, you have no logical, reasonal, or biblical support for this, its baloney.

Getting back to Romans 8:9, when we are in Christ, we are no longer slaves to sin. I think the entire book of Romans would help you tremendously here. Hope this helps.

Great, but since these things arent sin, whats the point of saying we shouldnt sin.

Deuteronomy 5:32 So be careful to do what the LORD your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left.

Do not sin, but do not corrupt yourself with false-laws as did the pharisees, Since Gods word doesnt condemn, infer, or feintly suggest any of these things to be inherently sinful, then what makes them different from any other non-sinful action?

The rest of your post is talking about porn, but since you skimmed over my post you wouldnt have noticed i said animated porn*

 

[Theophorus]

It is also a form of coveting which is a sin, unless you can only covet something owned by a neighbor. So if you covet a porsche from a magazine ad, it is OK. Unless you say that lusting for a woman imaginary or otherwise is possible without coveting.

Also, with your interpretation, the teachings of Christ and the apostle John cannot possibly be correct when they state that all of the law is contained in the commandments to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself. There is nothing in the law stating that we should love our neighbor. You are in a sense doing the same thing with Christ's statements in Mathew.

 

[Shizzle]

Also, with your interpretation, the teachings of Christ and the apostle John cannot possibly be correct when they state that all of the law is contained in the commandments to love God, and to love your neighbor as yourself. There is nothing in the law stating that we should love our neighbor. You are in a sense doing the same thing with Christ's statements in Mathew.

huh.. what
dont understand wut ur talking about

 

[Theophorus]

huh.. what
dont understand wut ur talking about

Causes:
A. Looketh upon a woman
B. To lust after her
Effects:
A. Adultery in your heart (thus sin)

in sexual fantasies, cause A is not fulfilled.
in animated porn, cause A is not fulfilled.
This verse was very specific about how adultery could be commited in your heart, it is not saying that adultery can be commited in your heart as it can in reality.

Your style of interpretation would make it difficult to arrive at the conclusions of John concerning the law. The law does not mention loving your neighbor.

Above you are even more stringent with your application; you concede that lust is bad, but only if committed when looking at an actual woman. That is the strictest interpretation of this passage I have ever run across.

 

[Shizzle]

Your style of interpretation would make it difficult to arrive at the conclusions of John concerning the law. The law does not mention loving your neighbor.

.. exactly what verse are you reffering to with the John thing
what law, the bible talks about loving your neighobr, and its the ultimate law
but the bible says nothing of sexual fantasies/masturbation

Above you are even more stringent with your application; you concede that lust is bad, but only if committed when looking at an actual woman. That is the strictest interpretation of this passage I have ever run across

its what the passage says, how else should you interpret it I believe its referencing to where Saul and The two priests and stuff looked upon a woman that they knew and attempted to take her as their own, but it still says what it says

 

[Homie]

You want scripture? Here it is:
27“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."
Matt 5:27-30

Now considering that "touching yourself" is an English word and did not exist in Jesus' own language, that is just about as literal as Jesus could have put it. Consider the context in which it is described, sexual lust. And yes of course lust is wrong, why would Jesus otherwise say you would get thrown into hell for it.

Man, I am a sinner in this area as well, it is difficult, but admit your sins and repent, trying to explain away your sins won't work.

 

[Theophorus]

You want scripture? Here it is:
27“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."
Matt 5:27-30

Now considering that "touching yourself" is an English word and did not exist in Jesus' own language, that is just about as literal as Jesus could have put it. Consider the context in which it is described, sexual lust. And yes of course lust is wrong, why would Jesus otherwise say you would get thrown into hell for it.

Man, I am a sinner in this area as well, it is difficult, but admit your sins and repent, trying to explain away your sins won't work.

But if it is a left handed activity, then all is OK.

 

[Theophorus]

.. exactly what verse are you reffering to with the John thing
what law, the bible talks about loving your neighobr, and its the ultimate law
but the bible says nothing of sexual fantasies/masturbation

Yes and the law says nothing about loving your neighbor but yet,

"And the second is like unti it, Thou shalt lover thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets" (Mat 22:39-40)

and 2 John 5

"And dear lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another."

How did Christ and John come to this conclusion about the Law? since it mentions nothing about loving your neighbor.

 

[Shizzle]

You want scripture? Here it is:
27“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell."
Matt 5:27-30

Now considering that "touching yourself" is an English word and did not exist in Jesus' own language, that is just about as literal as Jesus could have put it. Consider the context in which it is described, sexual lust. And yes of course lust is wrong, why would Jesus otherwise say you would get thrown into hell for it.

God is talking about losing a part of you instead of your whole soul

how do you come to the conclusion that your right hand has anything to do with masturbation

God didnt say or infer anything about getting thrown into hell for sexual fantasies

God could have put it more literally, "thou shouldnt spill your seed if you are not married"

it isnt in the context of sexual lust/fantasies:

3. Matthew 5:28

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Causes:
A. Looketh upon a woman
B. To lust after her
Effects:
A. Adultery in your heart (thus sin)

in sexual fantasies, cause A is not fulfilled.
in animated porn, cause A is not fulfilled.
This verse was very specific about how adultery could be commited in your heart, it is not saying that adultery can be commited in your heart as it can in reality.

Man, I am a sinner in this area as well, it is difficult, but admit your sins and repent, trying to explain away your sins won't work.

i am a sinner, but this still isnt a sin, is my disproof of your reason flawed?
i already know its not a sin, i just want to show others who are struggling with it so they dont have to bother going through something that doesnt need to happen.

 

[Shizzle]

But if it is a left handed activity, then all is OK.

yuppers

Yes and the law says nothing about loving your neighbor but yet,

"And the second is like unti it, Thou shalt lover thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all of the law and the prophets" (Mat 22:39-40)

and 2 John 5

"And dear lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another."

How did Christ and John come to this conclusion about the Law? since it mentions nothing about loving your neighbor.

im still confused..
but christ is God in the flesh, didnt God write the law?

 

[Homie]

ok, i am not trying to be rude, but your explanation for the verses I quoted I find "stretchy" at best. I think it is quite obvious what he is talking about.

Furthermore, can you really picture Jesus doing that?
Does it not seem very unholy to you?

What about self-control that Paul talks about.

The whole thing of touching yourself and porn just screams sin in so many ways it is unavoidable.

If the verses I quoted, read in context, didn't do it for you, I don't know what will.

I was never told touching yourself was wrong while growing up, yet I felt guilty and convicted every time I did it. I tried to tell myself that the Bible didn't say it was a sin, reading Matthew really hit me.

 

[Theophorus]

yuppers

Then sex with vegtables, and children is OK also? Also lusting for a man is good too, or for a goat as long as it is not consumated.

im still confused..
but christ is God in the flesh, didnt God write the law?

exactly, so why does He not interpret it like you?

 

[Shizzle]

Furthermore, can you really picture Jesus doing that?
Does it not seem very unholy to you?

can you picture jesus usin the jon? urinal?

What about self-control that Paul talks about.

you dont control yourself from eating, or talking, because its not sinful..

The whole thing of touching yourself and porn just screams sin in so many ways it is unavoidable.
If the verses I quoted, read in context, didn't do it for you, I don't know what will.

It doesnt scream sin biblically at all tho, and thats all that matters. Not what society dictates to be moral, they thought it wa stylish to wear white curly wigs in europe at one time, dont follow societys set of morals, follow the bibles
the verses you quoted didnt have anything to do with masturbation, i never said anything about porn, this is all you quoted

[a] 28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

*looks at* your not looking at a woman whenever you touch

29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.

But since the bible doesnt dictate or INFER masturbation or sexual fantasies to be sinful in the least bit, what does cutting off your sin have to do with a nonsinful thing.

so why again is it a sin, what exactly makes you think its a sin?

exactly, so why does He not interpret it like you?

huh, who, God?
I do interpret it like him?
maybe your the one whos mistaken?

Then sex with vegtables, and children is OK also? Also lusting for a man is good too, or for a goat as long as it is not consumated.

God talks about whatever is holy, whatever is good, whatever is of good virtue, to take delight in it.. it was some verse, wut verse is that

God talks about homosexuality being wrong, same with bestiality,
vegetables... i guess... seems weird
wouldnt sex w/ children fall under deceit or something

 

[Amongst the Flock]

when they have become physical, when he has acted upon them, he has sinned.

Most of the verses you asked for are here so I won't post any. when you metioned having sexual fantasies it would be one thing if you were fantasizing about your wife but if someone was fantasizing about someone elses wife that would be like an adulterous thought and sin as if that person was coveting his friends wife. Also if someone would constantly fantasize about someone elses wife it could build up to actual flirting which could lead to adultery. Also after fantasizing for a long time about someone else for a long time gets old and you want to replace it with the physical. Just a thought.

Also the problem with fantasy is that more often then not people fantasize about being something more then what they are or someone else. Someone might fantasize that they are like a porn star or the king of sex and that you could satisfy that girl beyond her wildest dreams. What I am getting at is God made sex for reproduction and through prostitution and the Pornography industry it has gotten exploited and corrupted into something everyone lusts after and has a desire for more then what it was intended for. I am not saying their is a problem with sex amongst married couples but to just have random fantasies about having sex with famous models or porn stars doesn't seem right. As Christians we are trying to be Christ-Like and I don't see sexual impurity as fitting into that category. Have sex with your wife and be satisfied with that. The real problem is how it affects the youth of this next generation. I read an article about a girl that was a grandmother at the age of 23. That is rather disturbing and the world is really going downhill.

 

[Shizzle]

Most of the verses you asked for are here so I won't post any.

post them anyways for clarification

when you metioned having sexual fantasies it would be one thing if you were fantasizing about your wife but if someone was fantasizing about someone elses wife

why would it matter, what if your not married then? what logicality are you using here.

that would be like an adulterous thought and sin as if that person was coveting his friends wife.

Covet had Various meanings in the Bible. If you said it only had one in the hebrew language, then that would imply a contradiction in the bible, hereby making the Bible false. 2 verses- Ex 20:17 , 1 Cor 12:31.
Good- strive, desire, exert one's self earnestly
Root- desire, take pleasure in
Bad- inordinate, ungoverned, selfish desire

I believe sexual fantasies would fall under "desire, take pleasure in"

Also if someone would constantly fantasize about someone elses wife it could build up to actual flirting which could lead to adultery. Also after fantasizing for a long time about someone else for a long time gets old and you want to replace it with the physical. Just a thought.

Matthew 5:28 talks about not looking upon a woman in a lustful way, i believe its referring to the times in the bible like when Saul took that soldiers wife as his own after watching her bathe, not sexual fantasies.

What I am getting at is God made sex for reproduction and through prostitution and the Pornography industry it has gotten exploited and corrupted into something everyone lusts after and has a desire for more then what it was intended for.

God didnt make sex only for reproduction, did you know that humans are the only species on the planet that have a sexual organ thats only function is providing pleasure?(not gonna mention it tho..) Sex was meant to be a beutiful thing where the man and woman give to each other. Yeah, the human body has been objectified by the porn industry... and?..

I am not saying their is a problem with sex amongst married couples but to just have random fantasies about having sex with famous models or porn stars doesn't seem right.

Why, only God doesnt need logical support for his communication.

As Christians we are trying to be Christ-Like and I don't see sexual impurity as fitting into that category. Have sex with your wife and be satisfied with that.

It is Gods and only Gods right to lable and define immorality, he wrote the bible and it doesnt lable or even infer that sexual fantasies are immoral, and noone sofar has given any verse that says or infers it to be so. (because there isnt one) Sexual fantasies, not real sex.

I believe that we still have some corrpution left in the church from when the Catholic church was dominant, and people before that era would have known easily the truths to this matter.

 

[Paleoconservatarian]

"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service" (Romans 12:1).

We often think that if something isn't specifically listed as sinful in the Bible, it's okay. But even to ask whether something's okay or if it's in the Bible, we should ask ourselves whether we ought to be asking such questions in the first place. Instead of asking God, "What will you allow me to do?" we should ask Him, "What do you command me to do?" The first question is self-centered, the second is God-centered.

Does masturbation glorify God? Does it serve as a witness to the gospel? When you touch, do you expect people to see the image of Christ in you? If you answer 'no', then you probably shouldn't be doing it. We're to offer our bodies to the Lord as a living sacrifice, it doesn't make much sense to touch.