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Why do you think atheists are not Christians?

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Good to meet you too Ray. I appreciate your forthright and honest style. What you have that annoys some people is your respect for sound logic and reasoning. The ones we confront are often more loyal to a political party than to Christ and are rejecting the truth that they do not follow the Christian philosophy of Christ. It angers them to have this pointed out and they defend themselves by saying they are Christian humanist. Now what kind of creature is an atheist Christian?

Any way, I enjoy discussing with these fellows we annoy as it is a contest to see who can teach who the truth. I am convened that we have the best premise in the universe to use in debate and that is why we never loose a debate. We are not smarter than they but we do have the best premise. It is impossible to defeat Christ, is it not? Good hunting brother!
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If you think about it, is there any walk in life where you are safe from getting your feeling damaged? It happens at work, at school, at the country club, with all types of professionals, among friends, and anyplace you go. And of course, there are some that wear their feelings in vulnerable places where they are suspects to be challenged. Yes this happens in church too and of course every Christian is not always as tolerant as others would like.

Some take life's stresses better than others. It is human nature that whenever our feelings are hurt that we think others or other groups are at fault. Atheist are very weak like that because they lack the proper premises for reasoning about their feelings.That is my theory and I am sticking to it, within reason of course.
 
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Well I wouldn't seem it un-fair, an assertion? Yes, but one I felt was more humorous then factual. Although I can still make the case. I also linked you to videos I thought explained it well, so again same idea.


All I can say is that "God" and "Church" even in the bible are often said with an analogous attitude. Even with that said God can be in state, I quote Article VI, paragraph 3 "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.". You can be a man of God and be a member of the State. All the constitution prohibits is church and state relationships. There is such a thing as the "Spirit of the Law", and this often refers to the overall idea of the law rather than the words used (as language does change often). So regardless of the word you use for church, the implication is still the same. That of religious ideologies of any kind intermingling with state is to not be allowed.



Again, the same idea. No it doesn't protect "God Philosophy". I am not telling you this as my opinion but from a stance of someone whose career it is to know. Red-Herring, I won't go on as that would be pointless, the root is wrong and therefore null and void. *This is the end of this part of the argument as I have explained as best I can the actual legal matter, if you accept it or not is your own choice but you are in-deed factual wrong.

The next point you bring up is it protects you to speak out against other philosophies, and here you are darn right. Although communism has nothing to do with atheism or humanism, there is no logical train of events that leads from atheism to "DIE DIE DIE" (Which is what I think you think communism is, although I may be wrong here.). Also in the forms of communism we have seen (Which are more-so dictatorships over communist countries) many where Catholic. Have you studied the Catholic Church? Most of German Army at the time was Catholic, heck, "God With Us" was engraved into their belt-buckles. But even more so the states made the leader out to be a god, this has nothing to do with atheism or humanism just a looney off-shoot of religion, much like other religions that have gathered of ideas you and I would deem un-reprehensible. God is not the author of our freedoms in the eyes of our government, WE ARE. The society gives rights, we are together a very large collective that decides what to do. In this there is conformation to society expectations and normal and abnormal deviations. Liberal poltics is anything is bringing people closer to God, I believe it was Mark 10:25 that said It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." and guess what the GOP does? Make people RICH, I mean super-rich. Not only that but they want people to own guns, and etc etc etc Would Jesus want you to run around with a gun? When someone punched him he turned the other cheek not shot the dude up. Also to your last point, there are several countries good without God. I believe God gives all the chance to be great upon their own and when people get clouded up thinking what God wants is when they fail the hardest. Look at Sweden, Norway, Japan. All have lower murder rates, abortion rates, STD rates, crime rates, etc etc etc and are OVER 70% atheist. These people are not worried about interpreting Gods word and thusly live without disobeying his will, letting them live how they feel is right.

THIS IS ALSO A QUOTE, FOR SOME REASON IT WILL NOT WORK.
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Hi GadFly, it is nice to meet you here too. What you say is true, but we must remember that humility, not pride, will win the heart. So although we have the correct premise we also have a wee conundrum as to how to win a war without getting aggressive.

Matthew 10:16
“Look, I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. So be as shrewd as snakes and harmless as doves.

Every time I have spoken against a humble person, my conscience has torn me to pieces. I'm sure you'll get to experience that too if you hang around long enough.
 
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"Best premise." This is the kind of thing I would like to debate with you in private.
I feel that it should be done in public as it is in everyone's best interests to listen and be heard and for the outcome to be preserved.
 
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I feel that it should be done in public as it is in everyone's best interests to listen and be heard and for the outcome to be preserved.

I would like to, but I do not particularly want others to join in as it can get too messy with different discussions going on at the same time and whatnot. Do you have another solution? I would like others to see, but would rather others not to reply other than a PM.
 
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I saw it work over here http://www.christianforums.com/t7531027/ but having said that, I feel that it is not really conducive to growth since what you are really testing is two peoples ability to fight instead of the integrity of the premise being investigated. I would encourage you to keep it open for input from everyone and eventually the matter would either explode and be closed by a mod, or resolved and everyone could shake hands.
 
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Alright, once GadFly responds to my post, I shall make a thread.

Thanks for the advice.
 
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I believe that some Atheists don't believe in God because the Christians that they encountered did not show them the love and kindness they deserve, and led them to believe that God is like that also, repelling them away from Christianity.

I believe that a person who is consistently shown hatred, disrespect and judgement will "shield" themselves, in order not to get hurt any further. I believe that a heart that receives love will open up to God's Holy Spirit, and become receptive to His guidance. That's why we Christians are to love our fellow humans, first and foremost. We are to be examples of God's love - for the world to see.
 
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Amazing how Christians say atheists are close-minded when there is GadFly here who won't even listen to two people telling him he is being arrogant.

When I am told I am being arrogant (which has happened), I ask them why and I rectify it. How can you just ignore people giving you criticism and shrug it off saying that they (we) are wrong?! This is the epitome of close-mindedness.

Shame on you.

Edit: Disappointing 300th post.
 
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Thank you brother for your kind advice. It is true that many think I could eat a little more humble pie but with many people we discuss Christ with, they have no respect at all for our intelligence for having selected the greatest premise in the universe on which to base our arguments and lifestyle. Please note that I often point out that I win debates, not because I am smart, but that I have the best premise, which would be Christ.

As dumb as I am and yet, these guys can not beat me, testifies to the power and wisdom of God. Humility does not work well with those who oppose our premise for everything; therefore, I chose to be bold for Christ. I do understand that not everybody can be a John the Baptist or an Apostle Paul, but God does need some personalities like theirs. Have a nice day brother, and thanks for your concern.
 
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I am open minded but you have said nothing about me that had any substance. You are by ethics required to oppose my ideas and not me personally. To disobey this principle is the mark of arrogance. To know what you believe and to defend your belief is not arrogance except in the eyes of those who do not and can not defend their own arguments. That is what I believe and I am sticking to it.

I admit that you guys are smarter than I but I repeat, you guys have the wrong premises and therefore, you look less intercollegiate. If that offends you, just change your premises and then you will feel better about me.
 
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Ok, GadFly, please check the thread I just created if you would like a discussion/debate.
Good Friend,
I really had no idea that you were frustrated at me. I never did say anything personal about you. I really thought you were playing the devil's advocate. As it turns out, you were serious.

The advice you received from others is good. My purpose in debate is to establish the ontological universe created by Jesus Christ. On the Wesley Parish I do post the philosophy of Christ there and you are welcome to debate or whatever. My purpose will be to show you there is a God, the only reliable and dependable premise for reasoning. This premise has never been defeated and I will be most happy to share this discovery with you. There is no reason for us to be enemies. That is not what I am looking for.

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It was getting too long. Anyway GadFly, I feel I have presented my case with such accuracy further re-stating is not needed. You have let your pride get in the way and instead of admitting you are wrong you go on with usless and pathetic attempts to contort not only what I say but how I am saying it, such musings are not that of a person with a vast background in philosophy and logic, but that of a mere child playing in the dirt he does not yet understand. Excuse my pretentious nature here, but the simple fact is that I am right, this is not a matter of personal opinion and I refuse to treat it as such. You go on with your ramblings and I try to help you understand only to be met with a closed minded and a closed heart. I pray that you do learn and grow logically and spiritual. I do not mean to be pretentious but people often they are qualified to talk on subjects they are not, like law, physics, and other huge fields. These fields need VAST amounts of education and background, not summer days looking on your computer. It would be different if you were not pride-ful on this and didn't PREDICATE your ENTIRE politically view on this (I honestly think you know you are wrong on this but don't want to admit your entire view is based on a false idea). Then it would be simply misinformed person, but what has gone on is that of a child debating physics with a physicist. No matter how loud the child screams he is till wrong.


EDIT: As for the Jesus was a communism and would DEFINITELY in NO WAY be a republican like you seem to think.

"You cannot serve both God and money." -Matthew 6:24 and Luke 16:13

"...it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich
to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." -Matthew 19:24, Mark 10:25, Luke 18:25

"...woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort." -Luke 6:24

"Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; for ones life does not consist
in the abundence of possessions." -Luke 12:15

"What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight." -Luke 16:15

"Sell all that you own and distribute the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in Heaven." -Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21 and Matthew 19:21
 
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