Why do you have a problem with homosexuality?

[Jet_A_Jockey]

No. This is not about the "will of God." It's about your personal anti-gay beliefs. Don't pretend that you speak for God. That's insulting to everyone.You are accusing gay people of engaging in sin. Stop pretending otherwise. God does not consider "homosexuality" to be "immoral." That's your prejudice talking. Own up to it, and stop trying to attribute your prejudices to God. Got that?

who is speaking for God again?

 

[Ohioprof]

who is speaking for God again?

Not me. I am presenting my opinion only. Those are my ideas about what God thinks. I do not claim to know the "truth," only my personal view of truth.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why do I have a problem with Homosexuality? By "Why do I have a problem" do you mean Why am I even struggling with homosexuality given light of the verses you posted? Or by " do I have a problem with Homosexuality" do you mean why do I dislike people who are gay? If you mean the first one (which i think your leaning more toward). I would say not to be so harsh in your analysis I'm sure I could point some verse out at you and ask why you aren't living the way God commanded you to live.

Homosexuality is a complex issue one that has many layers, I'm sure you can relate because we all have issues that don't have an easy answer in our life. Some people choose one path and other's choose another its hard to say that their is a clear definable answer. I chose to believe Homosexuality is ultimately bad for my life, does that mean I've now concluded the mysteries of the world? No, It just means I'm affirmed that through my experience homosexuality has leaned more towards immoral. None of us have a perfect answer, because we are all human, we don't have all the answers.

Life isn't so cut and dry that we can just take a verse in the bible and believe it right off the bat, no there needs to be an understanding of it and we need to resonate with it. We need to be affirmed and convinced through it, this is the job of a living God, one who chose to have his word spoke through humans not so we would be completely confused but so we could begin to have faith that God could begin to enter our lives, and to shape us. If its the second option, then I would answer I don't have a problem with homosexuality I think hate of homosexuals is awful and I can't stand this line of thinking. I mean disregard what you believe to be a sin for a second, does it really seem okay to hate someone? IN ANY CASE, whether it be an enemy or a person you've never met. God always teaches us to love each other despite how our beliefs differ.

I appreciate your careful thinking about this topic, your efforts to think it through and to live with integrity.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

Not me. I am presenting my opinion only. Those are my ideas about what God thinks. I do not claim to know the "truth," only my personal view of truth.

Your own opinion is your idea of truth is it not? If it weren't then it wouldn't be an opinion at all. I just don't see why anything that doesn't put homosexuality in a positive light is based on someones 'anti-gay beliefs', its simply not true.

 

[LLWHA]

That would be hard for those of us who are women.

For gay men, getting married to a beloved spouse of the same sex IS being a man.

If YOU want to be a man, then YOU should be willing to do what you tell gay men to do: give up sex and intimate relationships for the rest of YOUR life. Don't impose a standard of manhood on gay men that you aren't willing to adhere to yourself. If you think that being a man means never have sex or intimacy again, then YOU do that. Don't tell other people to do it. You be a man.

These females need to Grow up and be a woman. They are not a tomboys.

99.9% if not all homosxualy would not be that way today if Gods laws were enforced.

If children saw this evil being stoned to death as God Commands they would never give this homo stuff a thought.

 

[davedjy]

These females need to Grow up and be a woman. They are not a tomboys.

99.9% if not all homosxualy would not be that way today if Gods laws were enforced.

If children saw this evil being stoned to death as God Commands they would never give this homo stuff a thought.

What the heck does lesbianism have to do with being a tomboy? good grief...

 

[HaloHope]

These females need to Grow up and be a woman. They are not a tomboys.

99.9% if not all homosxualy would not be that way today if Gods laws were enforced.

If children saw this evil being stoned to death as God Commands they would never give this homo stuff a thought.

Heh, not all lesbians are tomboys, you are using a ridiculously outdated stereotype of gay women. Im not a tomboy, I like girly things.. my other half can be a bit of a tomboy I suppose but certainly not all the time. Lesbians can be girly, masculine, tomboyish or any combination of the three and hundreds of other possibilites in between JUST like hetrosexual women.

Are you reaching the ridiculous conclusion that all tomboys are lesbians?

And even if the evil, barbaric laws you seem to think should be imposed were imposed, people would still be gay. You cant stop a sexuality that is innate from exsisting. You cant stop someone from being the way God made them, however much you would like too.

 

[Ohioprof]

Your own opinion is your idea of truth is it not? If it weren't then it wouldn't be an opinion at all. I just don't see why anything that doesn't put homosexuality in a positive light is based on someones 'anti-gay beliefs', its simply not true.

My opinions are my understanding of a piece of truth, but I don't claim to know the whole of truth or Truth! I know that my knowledge is partial, as is everyone's, and my views reflect my perspective. My views are just one person's views, not the whole. I accept the limitations of my perspective, as I am human.

If someone says negative things about gay people in general, they are expressing anti-gay beliefs. That seems obvious, and I'm not sure why you are objecting to this. Perhaps you can clarify your point for me.

 

[Ohioprof]

These females need to Grow up and be a woman. They are not a tomboys.

99.9% if not all homosxualy would not be that way today if Gods laws were enforced.

If children saw this evil being stoned to death as God Commands they would never give this homo stuff a thought.

I am 52 years old. I have grown up. I am a lesbian. That is how God made me. If you don't like it, that's too bad. That's who I am.

 

[Ohioprof]

These females need to Grow up and be a woman. They are not a tomboys.

99.9% if not all homosxualy would not be that way today if Gods laws were enforced.

If children saw this evil being stoned to death as God Commands they would never give this homo stuff a thought.

You appear to be advocating stoning lesbians to death. I certainly hope you do not plan to come to my house and throw stones. And if you killed me, my daughter would be very sad to lose her mom. So please don't.

 

[Jet_A_Jockey]

My opinions are my understanding of a piece of truth, but I don't claim to know the whole of truth or Truth! I know that my knowledge is partial, as is everyone's, and my views reflect my perspective. My views are just one person's views, not the whole. I accept the limitations of my perspective, as I am human.

If someone says negative things about gay people in general, they are expressing anti-gay beliefs. That seems obvious, and I'm not sure why you are objecting to this. Perhaps you can clarify your point for me.

All I am saying is that everytime someone is not in line with your beliefs of homosexuality then you say they are expressing 'anti gay' beliefs. On the other hand if I were to accuse you of being prejudice to your pro-gay beliefs then it would seem a bit offensive would it not?

 

[RMDY]

People get very emotional when sin is exposed in their lives.

 

[HaloHope]

People get very emotional when sin is exposed in their lives.

Nah, I just get mildly irritated when people tell me about how disgusting my life is. How depressed I must be. And how I should pray to be changed.

If people were doing this to you Im sure youd get mildly annoyed at the very least too.


Fortunately this only happens on a forum, and my life quite frankly rules. I love my job, my girlfreind, I love the wonderful life God has given me. Fortunately no group of bigots is going to rob me of that.


When people point out im sinning from being in a homosexual relationship they arent pointing out a sin they are merley exposing their own prejudice as homosexality isn't a sin.

 

[RMDY]

Nah, I just get mildly irritated when people tell me about how disgusting my life is. How depressed I must be. And how I should pray to be changed.............When people point out im sinning from being in a homosexual relationship they arent pointing out a sin they are merley exposing their own prejudice as homosexality isn't a sin.

Beautiful or not, I believe God is not partial but is abundant in mercy, love, and grace. This same God, who give us his Spirit that brings us eternal life, I believe, hates it when you commit homosexuality, especially, when God dwells within you----with you being His Holy Temple.
No one said it was disgusting, but wrong when you live according to the Spirit, because the Spirit is not flesh. By the flesh, it may be beautiful, but by the Spirit, I believe, it is not. See the difference?
Whether you believe in Adam or Eve, the Spirit is against sexual immorality, and when one is like Noah when they are told to do something but can't see or understand why, this is called faith. By this same faith, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, no matter how many cases are brought up against my beliefs in having faith that it is wrong.


Am I being unreasonable when I say our bodies can't get their way when we live according to the Spirit? Thats what Jesus and the apostles teach! I am not lying!
They teach that we must become new creations and live for God and not live for our own selves.


All I can say is.....calling me polically incorrect because I do not support homosexuality and labeling me a prejudice person is rather spiritually incorrect.

 

[Ohioprof]

All I am saying is that everytime someone is not in line with your beliefs of homosexuality then you say they are expressing 'anti gay' beliefs. On the other hand if I were to accuse you of being prejudice to your pro-gay beliefs then it would seem a bit offensive would it not?

If someone's beliefs are anti-gay, then those beliefs are anti-gay.

Against whom am I prejudiced if I believe that we gay people should be treated with respect and dignity and should be allowed to be ourselves?

Prejudice as I understand it means pre-judging someone on the basis of little or no knowledge of that person.

How is asking that we be treated with respect and dignity a pre-judgment of someone else?

 

[Ohioprof]

People get very emotional when sin is exposed in their lives.

Being gay is not a sin.

 

[Ohioprof]

Beautiful or not, I believe God is not partial but is abundant in mercy, love, and grace. This same God, who give us his Spirit that brings us eternal life, I believe, hates it when you commit homosexuality, especially, when God dwells within you----with you being His Holy Temple.
No one said it was disgusting, but wrong when you live according to the Spirit, because the Spirit is not flesh. By the flesh, it may be beautiful, but by the Spirit, I believe, it is not. See the difference?
Whether you believe in Adam or Eve, the Spirit is against sexual immorality, and when one is like Noah when they are told to do something but can't see or understand why, this is called faith. By this same faith, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, no matter how many cases are brought up against my beliefs in having faith that it is wrong.


Am I being unreasonable when I say our bodies can't get their way when we live according to the Spirit? Thats what Jesus and the apostles teach! I am not lying!
They teach that we must become new creations and live for God and not live for our own selves.


All I can say is.....calling me polically incorrect because I do not support homosexuality and labeling me a prejudice person is rather spiritually incorrect.

The adjective would be "prejudiced." You are being prejudiced if you pre-judge someone else based on little or no knowledge of the person you are judging.

Are you doing that?

 

[Ohioprof]

Beautiful or not, I believe God is not partial but is abundant in mercy, love, and grace. This same God, who give us his Spirit that brings us eternal life, I believe, hates it when you commit homosexuality, especially, when God dwells within you----with you being His Holy Temple.
No one said it was disgusting, but wrong when you live according to the Spirit, because the Spirit is not flesh. By the flesh, it may be beautiful, but by the Spirit, I believe, it is not. See the difference?
Whether you believe in Adam or Eve, the Spirit is against sexual immorality, and when one is like Noah when they are told to do something but can't see or understand why, this is called faith. By this same faith, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, no matter how many cases are brought up against my beliefs in having faith that it is wrong.


Am I being unreasonable when I say our bodies can't get their way when we live according to the Spirit? Thats what Jesus and the apostles teach! I am not lying!
They teach that we must become new creations and live for God and not live for our own selves.


All I can say is.....calling me polically incorrect because I do not support homosexuality and labeling me a prejudice person is rather spiritually incorrect.

Being gay is not primarily about the desires of the body. It's about seeking a fulfilling love relationship with a spouse. If you seek to marry someone, do you do this only in response to your sexual desire? I don't think so. Marriage is about so much more than sex. It's an expression of deep love and commitment.

That is true of same-sex marriages as well as opposite-sex marriages.

Your focus on sex is misplaced, I think.

 

[HaloHope]

Beautiful or not, I believe God is not partial but is abundant in mercy, love, and grace. This same God, who give us his Spirit that brings us eternal life, I believe, hates it when you commit homosexuality, especially, when God dwells within you----with you being His Holy Temple.

You are of course fully entitled to believe this, but it is not a fact it is a belief (just like my opinion is also a belief)

No one said it was disgusting, but wrong when you live according to the Spirit, because the Spirit is not flesh. By the flesh, it may be beautiful, but by the Spirit, I believe, it is not. See the difference?

Many people have said it was disgusting on this forum. Gay people including myself are frequently told throughout these boards that we are, perverts, abnormal, disgusting, shouldnt be aloud to be around children etc... things like that. Im not claiming you yourself do but it DOES happen.

I do see the difference, but I feel from my own experiences in my relationship and with God that my sexuality and relationship do nothing to harm the spirit (or the body or the mind or anything). It makes me happy, content and at times even closer to God to be in a relationship where we both have a strong spiritaul stance.

Whether you believe in Adam or Eve, the Spirit is against sexual immorality, and when one is like Noah when they are told to do something but can't see or understand why, this is called faith. By this same faith, I believe that homosexuality is wrong, no matter how many cases are brought up against my beliefs in having faith that it is wrong.

Again your fully entitled that, but there are probably other ways of putting it across other than the ways I see employed here. No matter how many times my sexuality is challeneged as wrong and immoral I wont change either, because I know it isnt from my own experiences.

Am I being unreasonable when I say our bodies can't get their way when we live according to the Spirit? Thats what Jesus and the apostles teach! I am not lying!
They teach that we must become new creations and live for God and not live for our own selves.

I believe I read somewhere that you are in a relationship and wish to get married, correct? I know that due to your beliefs you would not have sex until after marriage either. Which is of course fine.

However the thing that annoys me like nothing else, is that all these people out there who condemn homosexuality are off having relationships, getting married, having sex eventually etc.. are allowed to live their life and claim "Im living for Jesus" etc.. . And we people who are gay are meant to suck it up reject having any kind of romantic relationship and live our lives in lonely celibacy. Im sorry, if gay people were "designed" to repress our sexualities, we wouldnt have a desire for romance in the first place. If Jesus were to fill humans needs for relationships we wouldnt want to have them. Simple as that.

So while all the hetrosexual anti-gay lot go off and get the romantic fulfullment in the lives they want, The gay people are spending another night alone, having to resist the temptation of wanting to be with someone? Yeh, right. Like I would accept that as reasonable in a million years. If you guys get to have married and have a relationship with the people you love, I do too. Simple as that.

All I can say is.....calling me polically incorrect because I do not support homosexuality and labeling me a prejudice person is rather spiritually incorrect.

I dont really think it is.

Anyway end of my rant.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

Nah, I just get mildly irritated when people tell me about how disgusting my life is. How depressed I must be. And how I should pray to be changed.

If people were doing this to you Im sure youd get mildly annoyed at the very least too.


Fortunately this only happens on a forum, and my life quite frankly rules. I love my job, my girlfreind, I love the wonderful life God has given me. Fortunately no group of bigots is going to rob me of that.


When people point out im sinning from being in a homosexual relationship they arent pointing out a sin they are merley exposing their own prejudice as homosexality isn't a sin.

But don't you understand? OBVIOUSLY having a loving, caring, committed relationship is disgusting and WRONG!