Why do you have a problem with homosexuality?

[RMDY]

And maybe it really IS the will of God, and your judgment against it is standing in the way of your seeing that.

Do you really believe I want to be a like those pharisees and hypocrites Jesus rebukes in the passage below?

But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Matthew 23:13

 

[RMDY]

I do not think you should wait.

I do not think the Bible tells you to wait and put yourselves through misery.

Get married.

I do not advise getting a permission slip from the state.

Do your own contract.

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:7-10

 

[LLWHA]

Would you say the same thing to a gay couple?

In John's case, he is arguing that he has to wait to have sex in order to do God's will. But, if we accept John's interpretation of the Bible, gay people can NEVER have sex with anyone. It's not a matter of waiting a few years; some Christians are telling us that we have to wait until we are dead and NEVER enjoy sexual intimacy with anyone.

It's just plain unfair of some Christians to insist on lifelong celibacy for gay people without being willing to impose that rule on themselves.

No.

I would say grow up. Be men.

 

[LLWHA]

But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
2 Corinthians 12:7-10

I think it is much better to marry if you are going to anyway.

 

[RMDY]

Would you say the same thing to a gay couple?

In John's case, he is arguing that he has to wait to have sex in order to do God's will. But, if we accept John's interpretation of the Bible, gay people can NEVER have sex with anyone. It's not a matter of waiting a few years; some Christians are telling us that we have to wait until we are dead and NEVER enjoy sexual intimacy with anyone.

It's just plain unfair of some Christians to insist on lifelong celibacy for gay people without being willing to impose that rule on themselves.

So if you can't have sex are you going to give up on God? My 40+ pentcostal friend isn't married and sex is the last thing on her mind and she is happy =)

 

[RMDY]

I think it is much better to marry if you are going to anyway.

Isn't it also good to honor my girlfriends parents?

 

[HaloHope]

So if you can't have sex are you going to give up on God? My 40+ pentcostal friend isn't married and sex is the last thing on her mind and she is happy =)

Some people are fine being alone. The vast majority of humanity isnt.

 

[RMDY]

Some people are fine being alone. The vast majority of humanity isnt.

I know....

 

[HaloHope]

I know....

I fail to see why that is a bad thing.

 

[HaloHope]

Quick foot-note:

I think asking gay couples to give up our relationships or future relationships based on Bible verses which are at best vague in their meaning is completely unreasonable.

I cant give up my relationship with my girlfreind, I love her too much, shes amazing and I am blessed to have her in my life. Now if every single person opposed to homosexuality gave up on any romantic relationships in their life and lived in total celibacy it would be slightly more reasonable to ask that of gay people too. But that isnt going to happen.

My love isnt going to be broken by somebody speaking for God or hurling Bible verses at me. I am happy in both my faith and my relationship, it is entirely possible for a gay person to be happy in both and I can only encourage those out there struggling with their sexuality and faith to just be themselves. I am convinced God isnt going to abandon you for that.

 

[RMDY]

Do you think it is a beautiful thing when couples have children before they become married?

 

[HaloHope]

Do you think it is a beautiful thing when couples have children before they become married?

It depends what you mean by married. To me marriage is as soon as a couple commits to each other for the long term. A Ceromony is irrelevant.

Without commitment.. it may be a stupid thing to do for sure, but a child is a wonderful gift to the world even if the parents are not commited to each other.

 

[RMDY]

(not to test you but out of curiousity) Do you believe that marriage also has to do with honoring the parents?

 

[HaloHope]

(not to test you but out of curiousity) Do you believe that marriage also has to do with honoring the parents?

Not particularly. I personally dont think that my own parents or my partners parents have any business taking an interest in a relationship so long as we are both happy. I dont want to offend or upset either set of parents of course, but it isnt something I think they need to concern themselves with aslong as my partner and I are happy.

 

[Ohioprof]

No.

I would say grow up. Be men.

That would be hard for those of us who are women.

For gay men, getting married to a beloved spouse of the same sex IS being a man.

If YOU want to be a man, then YOU should be willing to do what you tell gay men to do: give up sex and intimate relationships for the rest of YOUR life. Don't impose a standard of manhood on gay men that you aren't willing to adhere to yourself. If you think that being a man means never have sex or intimacy again, then YOU do that. Don't tell other people to do it. You be a man.

 

[Ohioprof]

So if you can't have sex are you going to give up on God? My 40+ pentcostal friend isn't married and sex is the last thing on her mind and she is happy =)

I don't have sex. I am single. That's not the issue.

The issue is that it's unfair for you or for anyone to demand that other people be celibate for life because of YOUR religious beliefs. If they want to be celibate that's up to them. It's not up to you, and it's not your business to go lecturing or harassing other people because you disapprove of their sex life. You won't have many friends if you start doing that.

I certainly plan to have an intimate relationship again some day, when I am ready, and there is no reason for me not to. There is nothing about being in a committed, intimate partnership that contradicts loving God. It's not either you have God or you have a sexual relationship. There is no either/or about it. If you want to live a celibate life because of your beliefs, that's up to you, but don't expect other people to do that, as other people don't necessarily share your beliefs.

 

[Ohioprof]

Do you think it is a beautiful thing when couples have children before they become married?

The birth of any child is a beautiful thing, in my opinion. It may not have been a wise thing for the parents to do, but it depends on the circumstances.

My students discussed a book today about an 18th-century midwife who kept a diary for many years. She assisted in more than 700 births in her small community in Maine. My students were shocked to read how many young women had children out of wedlock in this pious religious community. It was very common in the 18th century. But each birth was a beautiful thing, and people managed to raise families well, as they still do.

 

[Ohioprof]

(not to test you but out of curiousity) Do you believe that marriage also has to do with honoring the parents?

No. As a parent, I don't expect my child to marry for me. She should marry for her, according to her wishes, not mine.

 

[davedjy]

No.

I would say grow up. Be men.

The humorous nature of this post, is a lot of us were cowards/sissies till we CAME OUT OF THE CLOSET! In fact, even the minority of family members that didn't agree with my decision, still said that I am more of a man now that I did it, so that is a silly comment.

 

[DesignerNate]

Why do I have a problem with Homosexuality? By "Why do I have a problem" do you mean Why am I even struggling with homosexuality given light of the verses you posted? Or by " do I have a problem with Homosexuality" do you mean why do I dislike people who are gay? If you mean the first one (which i think your leaning more toward). I would say not to be so harsh in your analysis I'm sure I could point some verse out at you and ask why you aren't living the way God commanded you to live.

Homosexuality is a complex issue one that has many layers, I'm sure you can relate because we all have issues that don't have an easy answer in our life. Some people choose one path and other's choose another its hard to say that their is a clear definable answer. I chose to believe Homosexuality is ultimately bad for my life, does that mean I've now concluded the mysteries of the world? No, It just means I'm affirmed that through my experience homosexuality has leaned more towards immoral. None of us have a perfect answer, because we are all human, we don't have all the answers.

Life isn't so cut and dry that we can just take a verse in the bible and believe it right off the bat, no there needs to be an understanding of it and we need to resonate with it. We need to be affirmed and convinced through it, this is the job of a living God, one who chose to have his word spoke through humans not so we would be completely confused but so we could begin to have faith that God could begin to enter our lives, and to shape us. If its the second option, then I would answer I don't have a problem with homosexuality I think hate of homosexuals is awful and I can't stand this line of thinking. I mean disregard what you believe to be a sin for a second, does it really seem okay to hate someone? IN ANY CASE, whether it be an enemy or a person you've never met. God always teaches us to love each other despite how our beliefs differ.