Why do you have a problem with homosexuality?

[RMDY]

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4


Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
1 Corinthians 6:18




So then, what shall we do?

 

[Ohioprof]

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable

1 Thessalonians 4:3-4


Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
1 Corinthians 6:18




So then, what shall we do?

"We" shall do nothing, and we shall let gay people be who we are and accept gay people as we are. "We" shall not judge gay people or throw stones at gay people. "We" shall leave gay people alone.

The only people who have a problem with "homosexuality" are those who are obsessed with telling gay people that we have a problem. Gay people do not have a problem. The people with a problem are those who persist in judging gay people and throwing stones at gay people.

 

[invisible trousers]

So then, what shall we do?

We should become arrogant enough to believe that our own personal biases are always in line with God's. We should believe that our opinions are infallible and everyone who disagrees with us is disagreeing with God. We should put ourselves on the same level as God, grant ourselves the ability to determine if someone is truly a christian, then use this ability to make sure that gays and other undesirables are kept away from God.

 

[HaloHope]

So then, what shall we do?

I would say the most rational thing to do would be to not worry what two people whos homosexuality has no baring on your own life do in their own private bedrooms.

 

[davedjy]

Another one true to the same formula from this poster.

*Formula*
Throw in a few verses that aren't ever even used as so-called anti-gay clobber passages, that are indirectly related, then tie them in to start a thread.

"We" shall do nothing, and we shall let gay people be who we are and accept gay people as we are. "We" shall not judge gay people or throw stones at gay people. "We" shall leave gay people alone.

The only people who have a problem with "homosexuality" are those who are obsessed with telling gay people that we have a problem. Gay people do not have a problem. The people with a problem are those who persist in judging gay people and throwing stones at gay people.

 

[RMDY]

What if God considers homosexuality to be immoral, then what? What shall we do? Were commanded to flee from immorality. This has nothing to do with throwing stones, but doing the will of God.

I didn't point any fingers at anyone but just point out something were commanded to do.

So then what shall we do?

(Please note, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I am just point out something were told to flee from)

This is a discussion about the will of God, not about christians condemning each other.

 

[davedjy]

This is a discussion about the will of God, not about christians condemning each other.

This isn't a discussion section, it's a debate forum.

 

[RMDY]

As people called to become new creations in Christ, we give up a lot of old things we were passionate about and desired----a lot. It is not our will to give up these things, but the fathers. When we serve, we serve for the Father and not ourselves. We are to do the will of the Father, not our own. When Jesus died, he did the will of the Father, and not his own. That is why I am making the point, what shall we do if the will of the father is to flee homosexuality?

 

[RMDY]

I understand many of you have lives your living, comfortable lives. Do you think Moses enjoyed going from a prince of Egypt with a lot of comfort to a sheperd in the wilderness with nothing and giving up his past life to seek his new one? What about Paul? He gave up his entire life to do the will of the Father.

What about John the Baptist? He had nothing. He did the will of the father by being a forerunner to the Messiah.

The will of the father for me is to not fornicate and have pre-marital sexual relations with my girlfriend and to lust and touch and set my mind on sexual things, yet, that is what my body craves. I find it unfair I have to do the will of the father and give up these things and wait years to become married to my girlfriend, yet, because I love the Father, I am willing to give them up because it is according to his will.

 

[invisible trousers]

It seems like a better example of 'serving yourself' is assuming you know the will of God and assuming it always coincides with your personal beliefs.

 

[Ohioprof]

What if God considers homosexuality to be immoral, then what? What shall we do? Were commanded to flee from immorality. This has nothing to do with throwing stones, but doing the will of God.

I didn't point any fingers at anyone but just point out something were commanded to do.

So then what shall we do?

(Please note, I'm not accusing anyone of anything, I am just point out something were told to flee from)

This is a discussion about the will of God, not about christians condemning each other.

No. This is not about the "will of God." It's about your personal anti-gay beliefs. Don't pretend that you speak for God. That's insulting to everyone.You are accusing gay people of engaging in sin. Stop pretending otherwise. God does not consider "homosexuality" to be "immoral." That's your prejudice talking. Own up to it, and stop trying to attribute your prejudices to God. Got that?

 

[RMDY]

It seems like a better example of 'serving yourself' is assuming you know the will of God and assuming it always coincides with your personal beliefs.

Hi there Invisible trousers!
What do you think the will of God is?

 

[RMDY]

No. This is not about the "will of God." It's about your personal anti-gay beliefs. Don't pretend that you speak for God. That's insulting to everyone.You are accusing gay people of engaging in sin. Stop pretending otherwise. God does not consider "homosexuality" to be "immoral." That's your prejudice talking. Own up to it, and stop trying to attribute your prejudices to God. Got that?

Can you prove that I hate homosexuals?

 

[davedjy]

I understand many of you have lives your living, comfortable lives. Do you think Moses enjoyed going from a prince of Egypt with a lot of comfort to a sheperd in the wilderness with nothing and giving up his past life to seek his new one? What about Paul? He gave up his entire life to do the will of the Father.

What about John the Baptist? He had nothing. He did the will of the father by being a forerunner to the Messiah.

The will of the father for me is to not fornicate and have pre-marital sexual relations with my girlfriend and to lust and touch and set my mind on sexual things, yet, that is what my body craves. I find it unfair I have to do the will of the father and give up these things and wait years to become married to my girlfriend, yet, because I love the Father, I am willing to give them up because it is according to his will.

YOU have CHOSEN not to touch, and you have also CHOSEN to believe that "Your Father in heaven forbids homosexuality and masturbation", through interpretations.

The interesting thing about the masturbation thing you bring up, is it just freshly reminds me of how sidetracked you are on what sexual immorality is. Masturbation is not mentioned even one time in the Bible, and neither is homosexuality as a sexual orientation.

 

[RMDY]

No. This is not about the "will of God." It's about your personal anti-gay beliefs. Don't pretend that you speak for God. That's insulting to everyone.You are accusing gay people of engaging in sin. Stop pretending otherwise. God does not consider "homosexuality" to be "immoral." That's your prejudice talking. Own up to it, and stop trying to attribute your prejudices to God. Got that?

I quoted Paul. Those words are not my own.

Am I accusing anyone? I just said to flee from immorality and I suggested "What shall we do if God's will is to flee from homosexuality?"
I didn't accuse anyone here.

 

[Ohioprof]

Can you prove that I hate homosexuals?

I have never said that you hate "homosexuals." I said that your prejudice is talking. Prejudice means pre-judging. You judge us without knowing us, purely on the basis of your interpretation of the Bible and what some minister or other church leader has apparently told you to think. Not having prejudice means not pre-judging us. If you want to put aside prejudice, then you need to listen to gay people before you judge us. Listen and learn, son. This is a rare opportunity for you. You get to dialogue with real gay people, but you can only learn if you put aside your prejudice and open your mind and heart to what gay people have to tell you about our lives. Our REAL lives, not what you imagine to be our lives.

 

[RMDY]

YOU have CHOSEN not to touch, and you have also CHOSEN to believe that "Your Father in heaven forbids homosexuality and masturbation", through interpretations.

The interesting thing about the masturbation thing you bring up, is it just freshly reminds me of how sidetracked you are on what sexual immorality is. Masturbation is not mentioned even one time in the Bible, and neither is homosexuality as a sexual orientation.

I merely asked, what if the will of the father was to flee from immorality?
I suggested the greek word for pornia includes homosexuality.

So what shall we do if this is true?

Beastiality is not mentioned once in the new testament, yet its a sin. Perhaps it is not since Jesus failed to mention it? The closest thing to knowing it is a sin is through Jesus usage of pornia.

 

[Ohioprof]

I quoted Paul. Those words are not my own.

Am I accusing anyone? I just said to flee from immorality and I suggested "What shall we do if God's will is to flee from homosexuality?"
I didn't accuse anyone here.

Don't hide behind what Paul allegedly said. YOU said it. Own up to what you say. You are accusing gay people. Accusing in the form of a question doesn't make it any less an accusation. Instead of telling gay people that we engage in "immorality," why don't you stop judging others and get the log out of your own eye. And try listening to gay people instead of telling us who we are and what our "morality" is. You don't know anything about us, and so you need to listen instead of judging.

 

[davedjy]

I merely asked, what if the will of the father was to flee from immorality?
I suggested the greek word for pornia includes homosexuality.

So what shall we do if this is true?

Beastiality is not mentioned once in the new testament, yet its a sin. Perhaps it is not since Jesus failed to mention it? The closest thing to knowing it is a sin is through Jesus usage of pornia.

A sexual orientation to the same sex is hardly the same thing as bestiality. We are talking about 2 adult humans, not a man and an animal.

 

[RMDY]

I have never said that you hate "homosexuals." I said that your prejudice is talking. Prejudice means pre-judging. You judge us without knowing us, purely on the basis of your interpretation of the Bible and what some minister or other church leader has apparently told you to think. Not having prejudice means not pre-judging us. If you want to put aside prejudice, then you need to listen to gay people before you judge us. Listen and learn, son. This is a rare opportunity for you. You get to dialogue with real gay people, but you can only learn if you put aside your prejudice and open your mind and heart to what gay people have to tell you about our lives. Our REAL lives, not what you imagine to be our lives.

How can I be prejudice if I believe the will of the father is to flee from immorality and at the same time, I don't hate homosexuals?

When I said,

I find it unfair I have to do the will of the father and give up these things

,
this can also be said of everyone else.

Not having prejudice means not pre-judging us. If you want to put aside prejudice, then you need to listen to gay people before you judge us.

Concerning prejudice, is it prejudice if I suggest what pornia means and apply it to the fathers will to abstain from immorality?

I also suggested an open ended question, "What if it is the will of the father to abstain from what I suggested pornia to be?"

I didn't judge, condemn, or accuse anyone here, but am discussing the will of the Father.