Why do you feel a NEED for theistic evolution?

jJIM THINNSEN said:

WHICH IS A LIE.. (EXPOSED HERE FOR OUR READERS)

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No, that's wrong. As I showed you earlier, orthogenesis was debunked a long time ago. It's like those old cartoons of "evolution";



But even your chart shows that it's like a branching bush, not a straight line.

jJIM THINNSEN said:

I SAID..
"But that wont help a microbe to SLOWLY evolve into a Microbiologist which
is what the proponents of Evolutionism claim."
WHICH WAS 100% CORRECT AND EVERYONE KNOW IT..

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Nope. You still don't get it. No microbe ever evolved into a human, slowly or not. For two reasons. First, organisms don't evolve. Populations do.

Second, no sort of bacterium, by itself, could evolve into a eukaryote. Here's a hint: look up "mitochondrian." It might help you to understand.

WHY THE CONSTANT OBFUSCATION AND INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY?

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I don't think you mean to be dishonest. It appears to me that you really don't understand why orthogenesis can't be true.

The Barbarian said:

"Evolutionism" is your invention. So it's your problem. As you know, humans evolved from other primates.



Perhaps you got it backwards. Notice your chart also has humans evolving from primates. It's in the middle right side. Sometimes, it's better to just admit what it is.



Even most creationists don't think so. But maybe some of them do.

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"Evolutionism" is your invention. So it's your problem."

ANOTHER LIE...

SMALL WONDER YOU ARE SO HELL BENT (PARDON THE PUN) ON TRYING
TO DISCREDIT THE BIBLE.
.
IT HOLDS YOU ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR ACTIONS,,, (CHAPS YOUR HIDE)

FOR OUR READERS...

evolutionism

Evolutionism

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EVOLUTIONISM
EVOLUTIONISM. Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection has been profoundly influential among scientists and others on both sides of the Atlantic from the time of its introduction; throughout its history, Americans have contributed to the theory's development and to its uses beyond science. An American botanist, Asa Gray, was among the select group of naturalists with whom Darwin corresponded about his work even prior to his decision to publish his theory. Copies of On the Origin of Species were circulating in American cities before the end of 1859, the year of its publication in Britain, and American naturalists were quick to engage in debates over the theory's meaning and implications. For the most part, working naturalists in America were enthusiastic about the general idea of organic evolution; while many wanted to maintain a place for divine influence in the case of human development, they welcomed a scientific account of the origin of species that was grounded in Darwin's careful observations and naturalistic mechanisms. Americans contributed some very significant evidence in support of Darwin's work. In addition to Gray's botanical studies, the paleontologist O. C. Marsh presented fossil discoveries of dinosaurs and of a developmental series of horse skeletons that provided Darwin's defenders with some of their favorite and most compelling arguments.

The Development of a Scientific Consensus for Natural Selection
Despite this generally enthusiastic reception of Darwin's work by American naturalists, very few if any actually embraced his theory in all its details. Darwin's proposed mechanism of evolution—natural selection—seemed even to many of his supporters to be inadequate to describe fully the development of life on earth. Some, like Asa Gray, suggested that divine intervention had guided the production of variations in individuals. Others argued that external environmental factors were the source of most variations, an idea that Darwin himself increasingly embraced, although he continued to argue that its influence was slight compared to that of natural selection. The ortho-genticists remained largely unchallenged among the community of evolutionists until the 1880s, when a more rigorous debate about the mechanisms of evolution broke out. While the ortho-geneticists sought to retain some role for the inheritance of acquired characteristics, aggressive neo-Darwinians cited laboratory experiments and other evidence to support their position that natural selection alone drove the evolution of species because the inheritance of acquired characters was impossible.

jJIM THINNSEN said:

WHICH one evolved FIRST? skin? OR nerves? Or did they "evolve at exactly the same instant? LOL..

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Integument. Why would that be the case? Here's a hint; the most primitive form of integument is also the simplest organ. If you can't figure it out, I'll show you in a bit. Let me know.

The Barbarian said:

Nope. You still don't get it. No microbe ever evolved into a human, slowly or not. For two reasons. First, organisms don't evolve. Populations do.

Second, no sort of bacterium, by itself, could evolve into a eukaryote. Here's a hint: look up "mitochondrian." It might help you to understand.



I don't think you mean to be dishonest. It appears to me that you really don't understand why orthogenesis can't be true.

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"No microbe ever evolved into a human, slowly or not."

I ALREADY KNOW THAT..

GOD CREATED HUMANS THE SAME WEEK THAT HE CREATED EVERYTHING ELSE...

GOOD TO SEE YOU ARE FINALLY RENOUNCING SATANS FAIRYTALE OF EVOLUTIONISM...

The Barbarian said:

Integument. Why would that be the case? Here's a hint; the most primitive form of integument is also the simplest organ. If you can't figure it out, I'll show you in a bit. Let me know.

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STOP DODGING..

WHICH one evolved FIRST? skin? OR nerves? Or did they "evolve at exactly the same instant? LOL..

jJIM THINNSEN said:

"Evolutionism" is your invention. So it's your problem."

ANOTHER LIE...

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Nope. Your invention of "evolutionism", as opposed to evolutionary theory, is the difference. In "evolutionism", creationists imagine evolution is about the Big Bang and the origin of life, and orthogenesis, and all sorts of other superstitions.

Evolutionary theory is not like that at all.

That's why you should always go to science literature for scientific definitions. You won't be misled as you were this time.

The Barbarian said:

Nope. You still don't get it. No microbe ever evolved into a human, slowly or not. For two reasons. First, organisms don't evolve. Populations do.

Second, no sort of bacterium, by itself, could evolve into a eukaryote. Here's a hint: look up "mitochondrian." It might help you to understand.



I don't think you mean to be dishonest. It appears to me that you really don't understand why orthogenesis can't be true.

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"I don't think you mean to be dishonest."

Isaiah 5:20 (NIV) Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.

jJIM THINNSEN said:

WHICH one evolved FIRST? skin? OR nerves? Or did they "evolve at exactly the same instant? LOL..

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Remember when you learned that skin is "integument?" So that was first. Have you figured out why it had to be first?

Think about it. If you can't figure it out, I'll show you. Let me know.

The Barbarian said:

Nope. Your invention of "evolutionism", as opposed to evolutionary theory, is the difference. In "evolutionism", creationists imagine evolution is about the Big Bang and the origin of life, and orthogenesis, and all sorts of other superstitions.

Evolutionary theory is not like that at all.

That's why you should always go to science literature for scientific definitions. You won't be misled as you were this time.

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Your invention of "evolutionism", as opposed to evolutionary theory, is the difference.

HERE AGAIN FOR OUR READERS... WHY DO THE MODERATORS LET YOU GET AWAY
WITH SO MANY BALD FACED LIES IN PUBLIC? THIS IS NOT MY INVENTION!!!!

ev·o·lu·tion·ism
(ĕv′ə-lo͞o′shə-nĭz′əm, ē′və-)
n.
1. A theory of biological evolution, especially that formulated by Charles Darwin.
2. Advocacy of or belief in biological evolution.
ev′o·lu′tion·ist n.
American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition. Copyright © 2016 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
evolutionism
a principle or theory of evolution. — evolutionist, n., adj.
See also: Evolution
-Ologies & -Isms. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved.

Evolutionism

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EVOLUTIONISM
EVOLUTIONISM. Darwin's theory of evolution by natural selection has been profoundly influential among scientists and others on both sides of the Atlantic from the time of its introduction; throughout its history, Americans have contributed to the theory's development and to its uses beyond science. An American botanist, Asa Gray, was among the select group of naturalists with whom Darwin corresponded about his work even prior to his decision to publish his theory. Copies of On the Origin of Species were circulating in American cities before the end of 1859, the year of its publication in Britain, and American naturalists were quick to engage in debates over the theory's meaning and implications. For the most part, working naturalists in America were enthusiastic about the general idea of organic evolution; while many wanted to maintain a place for divine influence in the case of human development, they welcomed a scientific account of the origin of species that was grounded in Darwin's careful observations and naturalistic mechanisms. Americans contributed some very significant evidence in support of Darwin's work. In addition to Gray's botanical studies, the paleontologist O. C. Marsh presented fossil discoveries of dinosaurs and of a developmental series of horse skeletons that provided Darwin's defenders with some of their favorite and most compelling arguments.

The Development of a Scientific Consensus for Natural Selection
Despite this generally enthusiastic reception of Darwin's work by American naturalists, very few if any actually embraced his theory in all its details. Darwin's proposed mechanism of evolution—natural selection—seemed even to many of his supporters to be inadequate to describe fully the development of life on earth. Some, like Asa Gray, suggested that divine intervention had guided the production of variations in individuals. Others argued that external environmental factors were the source of most variations, an idea that Darwin himself increasingly embraced, although he continued to argue that its influence was slight compared to that of natural selection. The ortho-genticists remained largely unchallenged among the community of evolutionists until the 1880s, when a more rigorous debate about the mechanisms of evolution broke out. While the ortho-geneticists sought to retain some role for the inheritance of acquired characteristics, aggressive neo-Darwinians cited laboratory experiments and other evidence to support their position that natural selection alone drove the evolution of species because the inheritance of acquired characters was impossible.

The Barbarian said:

Remember when you learned that skin is "integument?" So that was first. Have you figured out why it had to be first?

Think about it. If you can't figure it out, I'll show you. Let me know.

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YOU HAVE A SHORT MEMORY AS TO WHO YOU ARE TRYING TO FOOL HERE...

THE INTEGUMENTARY SYSTEM IS ALSO IMMENSELY COMPLEX AND IT TAKES INCREDIBLE
IMAGINATION TO INVENT A WAY FOR IT TO EVOLVE AT ALL BY ITSELF!!

The integumentary system has many functions, most of which are involved in
protecting you and regulating your body’s internal functions in a variety of ways:

• Protects the body's internal living tissues and organs.
• Protects against invasion by infectious organisms.
• Protects the body from dehydration.
• Protects the body against abrupt changes in temperature.
• Helps dispose of waste materials.
• Acts as a receptor for touch, pressure, pain, heat, and cold.
• Stores water and fat.

I LOVE DOING THIS!!! CANT YOU TELL? KEEP READING!!



Integumentary System

The integumentary system comprises the skin and its appendages acting to protect the body from various kinds of damage, such as loss of water or damages from outside. The integumentary system includes hair, scales, feathers, hooves, and nails. It has a variety of additional functions; it may serve to waterproof, and protect the deeper tissues, excrete wastes, and regulate body temperature, and is the attachment site for sensory receptors to detect pain, sensation, pressure, and temperature. In most land vertebrates with significant exposure to sunlight, the integumentary system also provides for vitamin D synthesis.

jJIM THINNSEN said:

Only for neurotic religious zealots of Evolutionism who have a severe emotional attachment to Satan's lie of Evolutionism are finches beak variation examples of Evolution

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Remember I showed you what "evolution" is? Change in allele frequency in a population over time. So finches evolving new beaks is evolution, just as those lizards evolving a new digestive organ is evolution. Sometimes, the change makes one population unable to reproduce with other populations of it's kind. That's speciation (macroevolution). As you know, most creationist organizations admit that speciation, and even new genera or families develop from pre-existing populations.

And as your diagram shows, humans did not evolve from microorganisms. They evolved from other primates (which are not shown, but they are on the same branch of that bush as mammals).


Microorganisms are found on the pink, blue, orange and tan branches. Notice that none of them lead to mammals, much less primates or humans. There's a niggling error in your diagram, too. The Archaea are more closely related to the Eukaryotes than are the Bacteria. Notice also on your diagram that the Cnidaria are not the ancestors of bilaterans, but are a sister group. And the Ctenophors (not shown) are a sister group to the Cnidaria.

Is it starting to be a little more clear for you?

HERE READ MORE ON OUR INCREDIBLE INTEGUMENTARY SYSTEM AND GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT FOR CALLING GOD A LIAR JUST TO PLEASE ATHEISTS (UNLESS YOU ARE ONE ALREADY)

The epidermis is the most superficial layer of the skin that covers almost the entire body surface. The epidermis rests upon and protects the deeper and thicker dermis layer of the skin. Structurally, the epidermis is only about a tenth of a millimeter thick but is made of 40 to 50 rows of stacked squamous epithelial cells. The epidermis is an avascular region of the body, meaning that it does not contain any blood or blood vessels. The cells of the epidermis receive all of their nutrients via diffusion of fluids from the dermis.

The epidermis is made of several specialized types of cells. Almost 90% of the epidermis is made of cells known as keratinocytes. Keratinocytes develop from stem cells at the base of the epidermis and begin to produce and store the protein keratin. Keratin makes the keratinocytes very tough, scaly and water-resistant. At about 8% of epidermal cells, melanocytes form the second most numerous cell type in the epidermis. Melanocytes produce the pigment melanin to protect the skin from ultraviolet radiation and sunburn. Langerhans cells are the third most common cells in the epidermis and make up just over 1% of all epidermal cells. Langerhans cells’ role is to detect and fight pathogens that attempt to enter the body through the skin. Finally, Merkel cells make up less than 1% of all epidermal cells but have the important function of sensing touch. Merkel cells form a disk along the deepest edge of the epidermis where they connect to nerve endings in the dermis to sense light touch.

In most of the body, the epidermis is arranged into 4 distinct layers. In the palmar surface of the hands and plantar surface of the feet, the skin is thicker than in the rest of the body and there is a fifth layer of epidermis. The deepest region of the epidermis is the stratum basale, which contains the stem cells that reproduce to form all of the other cells of the epidermis. The cells of the stratum basale include cuboidal keratinocytes, melanocytes, and Merkel cells. Superficial to stratum basale is the stratum spinosum layer where Langerhans cells are found along with many rows of spiny keratinocytes. The spines found here are cellular projections called desmosomes that form between keratinocytes to hold them together and resist friction. Just superficial to the stratum spinosum is the stratum granulosum, where keratinocytes begin to produce waxy lamellar granules to waterproof the skin. The keratinocytes in the stratum granulosum are so far removed from the dermis that they begin to die from lack of nutrients. In the thick skin of the hands and feet, there is a layer of skin superficial to the stratum granulosum known as the stratum lucidum. The stratum lucidum is made of several rows of clear, dead keratinocytes that protect the underlying layers. The outermost layer of skin is the stratum corneum. The stratum corneum is made of many rows of flattened, dead keratinocytes that protect the underlying layers. Dead keratinocytes are constantly being shed from the surface of the stratum corneum and being replaced by cells arriving from the deeper layers.

Dermis
The dermis is the deep layer of the skin found under the epidermis. The dermis is mostly made of dense irregular connective tissue along with nervous tissue, blood, and blood vessels. The dermis is much thicker than the epidermis and gives the skin its strength and elasticity. Within the dermis there are two distinct regions: the papillary layer and the reticular layer.

The papillary layer is the superficial layer of the dermis that borders on the epidermis. The papillary layer contains many finger-like extensions called dermal papillae that protrude superficially towards the epidermis. The dermal papillae increase the surface area of the dermis and contain many nerves and blood vessels that are projected toward the surface of the skin. Blood flowing through the dermal papillae provide nutrients and oxygen for the cells of the epidermis. The nerves of the dermal papillae are used to feel touch, pain, and temperature through the cells of the epidermis.

The deeper layer of the dermis, the reticular layer, is the thicker and tougher part of the dermis. The reticular layer is made of dense irregular connective tissue that contains many tough collagen and stretchy elastin fibers running in all directions to provide strength and elasticity to the skin. The reticular layer also contains blood vessels to support the skin cells and nerve tissue to sense pressure and pain in the skin.

Hypodermis
Deep to the dermis is a layer of loose connective tissues known as the hypodermis, subcutis, or subcutaneous tissue. The hypodermis serves as the flexible connection between the skin and the underlying muscles and bones as well as a fat storage area. Areolar connective tissue in the hypodermis contains elastin and collagen fibers loosely arranged to allow the skin to stretch and move independently of its underlying structures. Fatty adipose tissue in the hypodermis stores energy in the form of triglycerides. Adipose also helps to insulate the body by trapping body heat produced by the underlying muscles.

Hair
Hair is an accessory organ of the skin made of columns of tightly packed dead keratinocytes found in most regions of the body. The few hairless parts of the body include the palmar surface of the hands, plantar surface of the feet, lips, labia minora, and glans penis. Hair helps to protect the body from UV radiation by preventing sunlight from striking the skin. Hair also insulates the body by trapping warm air around the skin.

The structure of hair can be broken down into 3 major parts: the follicle, root, and shaft. The hair follicle is a depression of epidermal cells deep into the dermis. Stem cells in the follicle reproduce to form the keratinocytes that eventually form the hair while melanocytes produce pigment that gives the hair its color. Within the follicle is the hair root, the portion of the hair below the skin’s surface. As the follicle produces new hair, the cells in the root push up to the surface until they exit the skin. The hair shaft consists of the part of the hair that is found outside of the skin.

The hair shaft and root are made of 3 distinct layers of cells: the cuticle, cortex, and medulla. The cuticle is the outermost layer made of keratinocytes. The keratinocytes of the cuticle are stacked on top of each other like shingles so that the outer tip of each cell points away from the body. Under the cuticle are the cells of the cortex that form the majority of the hair’s width. The spindle-shaped and tightly packed cortex cells contain pigments that give the hair its color. The innermost layer of the hair, the medulla, is not present in all hairs. When present, the medulla usually contains highly pigmented cells full of keratin. When the medulla is absent, the cortex continues through the middle of the hair.

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Nails
Nails are accessory organs of the skin made of sheets of hardened keratinocytes and found on the distal ends of the fingers and toes. Fingernails and toenails reinforce and protect the end of the digits and are used for scraping and manipulating small objects. There are 3 main parts of a nail: the root, body, and free edge. The nail root is the portion of the nail found under the surface of the skin. The nail body is the visible external portion of the nail. The free edge is the distal end portion of the nail that has grown beyond the end of the finger or toe.

Nails grow from a deep layer of epidermal tissue known as the nail matrix, which surrounds the nail root. The stem cells of the nail matrix reproduce to form keratinocytes, which in turn produce keratin protein and pack into tough sheets of hardened cells. The sheets of keratinocytes form the hard nail root that slowly grows out of the skin and forms the nail body as it reaches the skin’s surface. The cells of the nail root and nail body are pushed toward the distal end of the finger or toe by new cells being formed in the nail matrix. Under the nail body is a layer of epidermis and dermis known as the nail bed. The nail bed is pink in color due to the presence of capillaries that support the cells of the nail body. The proximal end of the nail near the root forms a whitish crescent shape known as the lunula where a small amount of nail matrix is visible through the nail body. Around the proximal and lateral edges of the nail is the eponychium, a layer of epithelium that overlaps and covers the edge of the nail body. The eponychium helps to seal the edges of the nail to prevent infection of the underlying tissues.

Sudoriferous Glands
Sudoriferous glands are exocrine glands found in the dermis of the skin and commonly known as sweat glands. There are 2 major types of sudoriferous glands: eccrine sweat glands and apocrine sweat glands. Eccrine sweat glands are found in almost every region of the skin and produce a secretion of water and sodium chloride. Eccrine sweat is delivered via a duct to the surface of the skin and is used to lower the body’s temperature through evaporative cooling.

Apocrine sweat glands are found in mainly in the axillary and pubic regions of the body. The ducts of apocrine sweat glands extend into the follicles of hairs so that the sweat produced by these glands exits the body along the surface of the hair shaft. Apocrine sweat glands are inactive until puberty, at which point they produce a thick, oily liquid that is consumed by bacteria living on the skin. The digestion of apocrine sweat by bacteria produces body odor.

Sebaceous Glands
Sebaceous glands are exocrine glands found in the dermis of the skin that produce an oily secretion known as sebum. Sebaceous glands are found in every part of the skin except for the thick skin of the palms of the hands and soles of the feet. Sebum is produced in the sebaceous glands and carried through ducts to the surface of the skin or to hair follicles. Sebum acts to waterproof and increase the elasticity of the skin. Sebum also lubricates and protects the cuticles of hairs as they pass through the follicles to the exterior of the body.

Ceruminous Glands
Ceruminous glands are special exocrine glands found only in the dermis of the ear canals. Ceruminous glands produce a waxy secretion known as cerumen to protect the ear canals and lubricate the eardrum. Cerumen protects the ears by trapping foreign material such as dust and airborne pathogens that enter the ear canal. Cerumen is made continuously and slowly pushes older cerumen outward toward the exterior of the ear canal where it falls out of the ear or is manually removed.

Physiology of the Integumentary System
Keratinization
Keratinization, also known as cornification, is the process of keratin accumulating within keratinocytes. Keratinocytes begin their life as offspring of the stem cells of the stratum basale. Young keratinocytes have a cuboidal shape and contain almost no keratin protein at all. As the stem cells multiply, they push older keratinocytes towards the surface of the skin and into the superficial layers of the epidermis. By the time keratinocytes reach the stratum spinosum, they have begun to accumulate a significant amount of keratin and have become harder, flatter, and more water resistant. As the keratinocytes reach the stratum granulosum, they have become much flatter and are almost completely filled with keratin. At this point the cells are so far removed from the nutrients that diffuse from the blood vessels in the dermis that the cells go through the process of apoptosis. Apoptosis is programmed cell death where the cell digests its own nucleus and organelles, leaving only a tough, keratin-filled shell behind. Dead keratinocytes moving into the stratum lucidum and stratum corneum are very flat, hard, and tightly packed so as to form a keratin barrier to protect the underlying tissues.

Temperature Homeostasis
Being the body’s outermost organ, the skin is able to regulate the body’s temperature by controlling how the body interacts with its environment. In the case of the body entering a state of hyperthermia, the skin is able to reduce body temperature through sweating and vasodilation. Sweat produced by sudoriferous glands delivers water to the surface of the body where it begins to evaporate. The evaporation of sweat absorbs heat and cools the body’s surface. Vasodilation is the process through which smooth muscle lining the blood vessels in the dermis relax and allow more blood to enter the skin. Blood transports heat through the body, pulling heat away from the body’s core and depositing it in the skin where it can radiate out of the body and into the external environment.

In the case of the body entering a state of hypothermia, the skin is able to raise body temperature through the contraction of arrector pili muscles and through vasoconstriction. The follicles of hairs have small bundles of smooth muscle attached to their base called arrector pili muscles. The arrector pili form goose bumps by contracting to move the hair follicle and lifting the hair shaft upright from the surface of the skin. This movement results in more air being trapped under the hairs to insulate the surface of the body. Vasoconstriction is the process of smooth muscles in the walls of blood vessels in the dermis contracting to reduce the flood of blood to the skin. Vasoconstriction permits the skin to cool while blood stays in the body’s core to maintain heat and circulation in the vital organs.

jJIM THINNSEN said:

THE INTEGUMENTARY SYSTEM IS ALSO IMMENSELY COMPLEX AND IT TAKES INCREDIBLE
IMAGINATION TO INVENT A WAY FOR IT TO EVOLVE AT ALL BY ITSELF!!

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You're assuming that the human integument is the first known example. But it's not. As I showed you, Cnidarians have a much simpler integument without all those features. Which evolved over time in various phyla.

Would you like to learn about some of that?

Are you beginning to realize that you all that complexity in humans took a very long time to evolve? We see more and more complexity in integuments as chordates evolve into vertebrates and then into different classes, orders, and families.

Want to see how that turned out? Or would you like to move on?

The Barbarian said:

Remember I showed you what "evolution" is? Change in allele frequency in a population over time. So finches evolving new beaks is evolution, just as those lizards evolving a new digestive organ is evolution. Sometimes, the change makes one population unable to reproduce with other populations of it's kind. That's speciation (macroevolution). As you know, most creationist organizations admit that speciation, and even new genera or families develop from pre-existing populations.

And as your diagram shows, humans did not evolve from microorganisms. They evolved from other primates (which are not shown, but they are on the same branch of that bush as mammals).


Microorganisms are found on the pink, blue, orange and tan branches. Notice that none of them lead to mammals, much less primates or humans. There's a niggling error in your diagram, too. The Archaea are more closely related to the Eukaryotes than are the Bacteria. Notice also on your diagram that the Cnidaria are not the ancestors of bilaterans, but are a sister group. And the Ctenophors (not shown) are a sister group to the Cnidaria.

"And as your diagram shows, humans did not evolve from microorganisms."

OF COURSE IT DOES.. AS DO ALL OF THE ONES IN THE BIOLOGY TEXTBOOKS.. I SHOULD KNOW, MY DAUGHTERS ARE IN HIGH SCHOOL BIOLOGY CLASS..

Is it starting to be a little more clear for you?

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WHAT IS BECOMMING CLEAR IS WHAT PATHOLOGICAL LIARS SOME PEOPLE CAN BE,,

The Barbarian said:

You're assuming that the human integument is the first known example. But it's not. As I showed you, Cnidarians have a much simpler integument without all those features. Which evolved over time in various phyla.

Would you like to learn about some of that?

Are you beginning to realize that you all that complexity in humans took a very long time to evolve? We see more and more complexity in integuments as chordates evolve into vertebrates and then into different classes, orders, and families.

Want to see how that turned out? Or would you like to move on?

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"Are you beginning to realize that you all that complexity in humans took a very long time to evolve?"

WAIT A MINUTE!! YOU JUST GOT DONE SAYING THAT WE EVOLED FROM PRIMATES!! APES ALREADY
HAVE ALL OF THE SAME VITAL ORGANS AND SUPPORT SYSTEMS THAT HUMANS DO, WHICH IS IT?
YOUR LIES HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH YOU!


"For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries." Hebrews 10

jJIM THINNSEN said:

HERE READ MORE ON OUR INCREDIBLE INTEGUMENTARY SYSTEM AND GET ON YOUR KNEES AND REPENT FOR CALLING GOD A LIAR

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I don't think you mean to call God a liar. You're just having a lot of trouble accepting His creation as it is.

There's a lot to learn about integument. Here's a quick survey:

J Anat. 2009 Apr; 214(4): 407–408

The Integument Story: Origins, Evolution and Current Knowledge’
Matthew Vickaryous and Jean-Yves Sire
...
The issue begins with two broadly comparative contributions exploring the evolutionary developmental biology (evo-devo) of mineralized integumentary elements. Although highly reduced among most modern taxa, the integumentary skeleton was once the predominant skeletal system, and much of our knowledge of early vertebrates is almost entirely based on fossilized elements of the skin. Sire, Donoghue and Vickaryous begin with a comprehensive review of the integumentary skeletal system from its early origin among 450+ million-year-old stem-gnathostomes, the ‘jawless fossil fish’, to modern sharks and bony fish. Complementing this coverage of aquatic vertebrates, Vickaryous and Sire provide an up-to-date revision of this organ system among tetrapods, with the bulk of the contribution focused on osteoderms. These papers integrate histological and developmental data from extant and fossil taxa within a revised phylogenetic framework, and in doing so provide new scenarios for integumentary skeletal evolution and new hypotheses of skeletal tissue homology.

Teeth are one of most popular subjects in skeletal evo-devo, and receive coverage in three papers. Huysseune, Sire and Witten review the origin of teeth, beginning with a comparison of the two leading theories of dental evolution (‘outside in’, from ectoderm in conjunction with the jaws, or ‘inside out’, from endoderm independent of the jaws). Their findings are intriguing, and provide compelling support for teeth evolving before jaws but from ectoderm (modified ‘outside in’). They go on to discuss the evolution of tooth distribution and molecular regulation of tooth formation in bony fish. Continuing on the subject of teeth, Davit-Béal, Tucker and Sire review tooth and enamel loss in tetrapods. These authors compile the available comparative data, with an initial focus on birds for which molecular data are available. They tentatively trace back the origin of tooth and enamel loss in the various lineages and try to answer the question of how these taxa have survived tooth loss. In the final tooth paper, Caton and Tucker provide a comprehensive review of the current knowledge of tooth development in the mouse. They particularly focus on the genes, genetic pathways and epithelial–mesenchymal interactions that control dentition patterning (the homeobox code), tooth shape and tooth number.

The second part of the issue deals with topics related to the keratinized integument. Bragulla and Homberger set the stage by providing a detailed overview of keratin biology, including extensive coverage of the entire field. Continuing with the keratinized theme, Alibardi, Dalla Valle, Nardi and Toni review the evolution of hard structural proteins (keratin-associated proteins and their genes) in sauropsids (reptiles) and mammals. They suggest that a new class of small matrix proteins might have originated after mutation of an ancestral protein and that the original protein evolved differently in the various reptilian lineages, including birds. The contribution by Dhouailly revisits the origins of feathers in birds and hairs in mammals. This author proposes an exciting and well supported hypothesis in which hairs could have evolved from epidermal glands and feathers from granulated integument. Along the same lines she proposes that the scales on bird feet could be derived from feathers. In addition, regulation of the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway seems to play an important role in keratinized integument evolution....

As you probably have figured out by now, this didn't happen all at once. It started out pretty simply:

The cnidarian integument consists of a single-layered epidermis, the outer surface of which is coated with an extracellular material (see Chap. 7, this Vol.); the inner surface rests on a gelatinous mass, the mesoglea, which forms the core of the body wall. This epidermal cell layer covers the entire body of the polyp from the tentacles to the pedal disc, forming a boundary with the external medium.
Biology of the Integument pp 47-56

The Barbarian said:

You're assuming that the human integument is the first known example. But it's not. As I showed you, Cnidarians have a much simpler integument without all those features. Which evolved over time in various phyla.

Would you like to learn about some of that?

Are you beginning to realize that you all that complexity in humans took a very long time to evolve? We see more and more complexity in integuments as chordates evolve into vertebrates and then into different classes, orders, and families.

Want to see how that turned out? Or would you like to move on?

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"We see more and more complexity in integuments as chordates evolve into vertebrates and then into different classes, orders, and families."

NOBODY "SEES" ANY SUCH THING! ONLY IN THE SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL OF EVOLUTIONISM DO YOU IMAGINE IT... UNLESS OF COURSE YOU HAVE INVENTED ONE OF THOSE ATHEIST TIME MACHINES THAT TEND TO GO ALONG WITH THE ATHEIST MIND READING SKILLS...

jJIM THINNSEN said:

WHAT IS BECOMMING CLEAR IS WHAT PATHOLOGICAL LIARS SOME PEOPLE CAN BE,,

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I don't think you're a liar. I think you're so conditioned into your new doctrine that it's hard for you to even comprehend anything else.

But I think you are beginning to realize that there is truth that you haven't seen before; you're struggling against it, and I think that's why you often seem so angry with me. I don't resent it, but be careful; some things aren't permitted here. And I would miss conversing with you.

The Barbarian said:

I don't think you mean to call God a liar. You're just having a lot of trouble accepting His creation as it is.

There's a lot to learn about integument. Here's a quick survey:

J Anat. 2009 Apr; 214(4): 407–408

The Integument Story: Origins, Evolution and Current Knowledge’
Matthew Vickaryous and Jean-Yves Sire
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The issue begins with two broadly comparative contributions exploring the evolutionary developmental biology (evo-devo) of mineralized integumentary elements. Although highly reduced among most modern taxa, the integumentary skeleton was once the predominant skeletal system, and much of our knowledge of early vertebrates is almost entirely based on fossilized elements of the skin. Sire, Donoghue and Vickaryous begin with a comprehensive review of the integumentary skeletal system from its early origin among 450+ million-year-old stem-gnathostomes, the ‘jawless fossil fish’, to modern sharks and bony fish. Complementing this coverage of aquatic vertebrates, Vickaryous and Sire provide an up-to-date revision of this organ system among tetrapods, with the bulk of the contribution focused on osteoderms. These papers integrate histological and developmental data from extant and fossil taxa within a revised phylogenetic framework, and in doing so provide new scenarios for integumentary skeletal evolution and new hypotheses of skeletal tissue homology.

Teeth are one of most popular subjects in skeletal evo-devo, and receive coverage in three papers. Huysseune, Sire and Witten review the origin of teeth, beginning with a comparison of the two leading theories of dental evolution (‘outside in’, from ectoderm in conjunction with the jaws, or ‘inside out’, from endoderm independent of the jaws). Their findings are intriguing, and provide compelling support for teeth evolving before jaws but from ectoderm (modified ‘outside in’). They go on to discuss the evolution of tooth distribution and molecular regulation of tooth formation in bony fish. Continuing on the subject of teeth, Davit-Béal, Tucker and Sire review tooth and enamel loss in tetrapods. These authors compile the available comparative data, with an initial focus on birds for which molecular data are available. They tentatively trace back the origin of tooth and enamel loss in the various lineages and try to answer the question of how these taxa have survived tooth loss. In the final tooth paper, Caton and Tucker provide a comprehensive review of the current knowledge of tooth development in the mouse. They particularly focus on the genes, genetic pathways and epithelial–mesenchymal interactions that control dentition patterning (the homeobox code), tooth shape and tooth number.

The second part of the issue deals with topics related to the keratinized integument. Bragulla and Homberger set the stage by providing a detailed overview of keratin biology, including extensive coverage of the entire field. Continuing with the keratinized theme, Alibardi, Dalla Valle, Nardi and Toni review the evolution of hard structural proteins (keratin-associated proteins and their genes) in sauropsids (reptiles) and mammals. They suggest that a new class of small matrix proteins might have originated after mutation of an ancestral protein and that the original protein evolved differently in the various reptilian lineages, including birds. The contribution by Dhouailly revisits the origins of feathers in birds and hairs in mammals. This author proposes an exciting and well supported hypothesis in which hairs could have evolved from epidermal glands and feathers from granulated integument. Along the same lines she proposes that the scales on bird feet could be derived from feathers. In addition, regulation of the Wnt/beta-catenin pathway seems to play an important role in keratinized integument evolution....

As you probably have figured out by now, this didn't happen all at once. It started out pretty simply:

The cnidarian integument consists of a single-layered epidermis, the outer surface of which is coated with an extracellular material (see Chap. 7, this Vol.); the inner surface rests on a gelatinous mass, the mesoglea, which forms the core of the body wall. This epidermal cell layer covers the entire body of the polyp from the tentacles to the pedal disc, forming a boundary with the external medium.
Biology of the Integument pp 47-56

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YES NICE FAIRYTALE .. EVIDENCE BE DAMNED! (SORRY FOR THE PUN)