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ATHEISTS LAUGH AT OVAL EARTHERS WHO DO THEIR "WET WORK" FOR THEM...
Christians don't pay much attention to what atheists have to say about God and His creation. So we're not impressed with your quote-mining.
Sure... But one wonders why YOUR position on everything is IDENTICAL to that of ALL Atheists!!
YE creationists find common cause with atheists; neither of them accept God's word as it is.
Christians don't pay much attention to what atheists have to say about God and His creation. So we're not impressed with your quote-mining.
So "Primates" "..evolved from promisians" (funny looking lemurs) What did those funny looking lemurs evolve from? LOL
Ironic that you should say that, since you are constantly agreeing with atheists, even citing them as authorities, and I'm disagreeing with them. You and some atheists claim that evolution and God are inconsistent. Your position on everything seems to be identical to theirs.
But as you might know, the vast majority of Christians don't think evolution is inconsistent with God. And lots of atheists admit that evolution is consistent with creation.
You've merely cherry-picked the atheists who agree with you and presented them. So technically, your position on everything isn't identical to all atheists. You've just ignored the others and sided with the atheists who happen to have the same agenda you have.
I'm pretty sure you're uncomfortable siding with atheists against your fellow Christians. Have you considered that maybe that fact is a good clue for you?
Only people who have been born again of the spirit and have become members of Gods family in spirit and in truth are my "Fellow Christians"
YOU Oval-Earther are the ones siding with Atheists,
If you truly believe this, you've given up your faith for a man-made ideology. That's really sad.
"I can only point to what you've done here, and in each case, you sided with the atheists, even touting their beliefs or lack of them."
Only people who have been born again of the spirit and have become members of Gods family in spirit and in truth are my "Fellow Christians" NOT ONE of them accept Satan's greatest lie of Evolutionism.. YOU Oval-Earther are the ones siding with Atheists, don't blame ME for your folly...
If you truly believe this, you've given up your faith for a man-made ideology. That's really sad.
I can only point to what you've done here, and in each case, you sided with the atheists, even touting their beliefs or lack of them.
Let go of your idol of "evolutionism." Find a way to make peace with God and His creation.
Think of why you came here. Surely you didn't intend to make creationists look the way you're looking right now. There are lots of creationists who can debate without becoming angry and abusive. You can do it, too. I think you're sincere, and probably a pretty good person; I'd like to see that side of you, and I'm pretty sure most everyone else would like that, too.
And if you find that rationally discussing the issue leads you to a different understanding of His creation, that's very likely a good thing.
The last thing you want to do, is show your worst side to us. Think about it, then we'll talk, all right?
Well, let's ask your fellow YE creationist what the evidence shows...
Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids)...Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory.
YE creationist Dr. Kurt Wise Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/0e4d/0ab89242a5ddc40a8a74fc53361861fbcabf.pdf
(my emphasis)
He's an honest creationist; he prefers his interpretation of the Bible, but he's honest enough to admit the evidence.
More and more of them are like Dr. Wise, these days.
Here is a good website for our readers..
Of course this person is ANATHEMA to your religious cult of godless evolutionism...
So "Primates" "..evolved from promisians" (funny looking lemurs) What did those funny looking lemurs evolve from? LOL
If you are, your behavior should show it. Your increasingly angry and strident behavior suggests otherwise. I don't know what YOU are. A cynic would probably conclude you were an Atheist dressed up as an extremely indoctrinated creationist but that makes no difference to me.. Jesus said it best..
Matthew 7:16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
You've given other Christians here very little evidence that you are a follower of Jesus. You've abandoned reason, and exposed a rather unChristlike dislike for Christians who don't agree with your doctrines.
As you now realize I merely accept God's word as it is, without your additions. I don't think you mean to call God a liar. And His Son is also God to us; at least those of us who are orthodox Trinitarian Christians. Is that the problem here?
You can always make things worse for yourself by becoming angry and abusive. This hasn't worked out very well for you. I get that. But the absolute worse thing you can do, is become angry, abandon whatever your argument was, and indulge in false accusations. It's no doing you any good at all.
God created you by natural means. You distant ancestors evolved from other primates, not microbes. You're really attached to that idea, but it's not true. Humans evolved from other primates.
For quite a while, you were making me happy; discussing the doctrines of creationism is very useful and instructive. Then you got frustrated, and started focusing on how much you dislike the Evil Barbarian©. Now, you're not doing yourself or us any good.
For a while, you were very helpful with that. Then...
I'm sure you're frustrated, but attacking the faith of other Christians is a huge mistake for you, and one that will corrode your soul. Avoid
You're wrong again. If a person is truly lost, and he finds his way though a religion that denies evolution, it doesn't matter. He's still saved, even if he doesn't accept God's creation of living things. God doesn't care at all if he likes or even believes evolution; that's not how we are judged.
He would be deluded, of course, and as your fellow YE creationist, Dr. Todd Wood admits, one can put one's salvation at risk by making an idol of creationism.
But most creationists aren't like that. So this guy fortunate, even if he's deluded about evolution; he found salvation in God, and that is what matters.
So why don't we just ignore the issue? Well, there are practical considerations. And God, being Truth, the truth matters. And then there's the problem of so many creationists losing their faith entirely when they realize that YE creationism is false.
But eventually, by 1994 I was through with young-earth creationISM. Nothing that young-earth creationists had taught me about geology turned out to be true. I took a poll of my ICR graduate friends who have worked in the oil industry. I asked them one question.
"From your oil industry experience, did any fact that you were taught at ICR, which challenged current geological thinking, turn out in the long run to be true? ,"
That is a very simple question. One man, Steve Robertson, who worked for Shell grew real silent on the phone, sighed and softly said 'No!' A very close friend that I had hired at Arco, after hearing the question, exclaimed, "Wait a minute. There has to be one!" But he could not name one. I can not name one. No one else could either. One man I could not reach, to ask that question, had a crisis of faith about two years after coming into the oil industry. I do not know what his spiritual state is now but he was in bad shape the last time I talked to him.
And being through with creationism, I very nearly became through with Christianity. I was on the very verge of becoming an atheist.
Old Earth Creation Science Testimony - Why I Left Young Earth Creationism, by Glenn Morton
This is the real damage YE creationism does to faith. It's a real and continuing problem.
"So "Primates" "..evolved from promisians" (funny looking lemurs) What did those funny looking lemurs evolve from? LOL"
I don't think very much, and I'm not sure I'm so bothered. I am not molecular biologist. But I do have a question: apropo the current pandemic, a professor of virology tells me that a virus is not a living thing. I understand that the corona virus is RNA that cannot reproduce by itself; it is a chain of molecules. Yet viruses mutate, i.e. evolve. The common cold is a corona virus that has mutated into numerous varieties. Does this constitue evidence of evolution at the molecular level? If the virus is not a living thing, is it even part of "biology?"
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