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Why do you consider yourself "Conservative"?

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I see a lot of references to mere men in that post. Where's Jesus?
In nearly every sentence of every paragraph that those "mere men" left to us in their writings. They were hearty servants of King Jesus who pulled down the pompous arrogance of kings and popes with the testimony of Scripture. They were worthy men to follow in Christ.
 
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The question is "Why do I consider myself a conservative."

My first tendency in answering that question is to define "conservative."

Most fundamentally, a conservative is one who holds on to or "conserves" what is best from human experience. Progressives would say that conservatives hang on to the past, we "cling to our guns and bibles" as one progressive, neo-Communist recently expressed. At the same time, conservatives test new ideas against old experience, history, to determine if it is worth pursuing. Conservatives tend to learn form the lessons of history much better than progressives/liberals do.

"Why" I am this way is the next part of the question. Unlike most of the generation "X" and "Y" folks, I respected the values of my parents. I assimilated the values they taught me. Somewhere along the line I learned to appreciate the wisdom of the ages and am apprehensive of the "rebel", the "anarchist", and the extreme "libertarian."

I am saddened by the decline of faith and the church in this country. I am saddened by the many mainline churches that have jettisoned their spiritual mission and have turned into entertainment venues that have a social service component. I am saddened by other churches that have chosen a sterile academic, church history approach to their services, declining to make any connection between Biblical teaching and the problems in the world today. I am conservative because conservatives insist there is a direct connection between what the Bible teaches and the solutions to our problems, both personally and nationally.

I just completed a blog post this morning that focuses on this very topic, and more specifically how we misunderstand and misapply some of these highly charged words like "liberal" and "conservative" and "far left" and "far right." We have lost our unity in faith that enabled us to achieve the balance between tyranny and anarchy. That loss is fracturing our nation into polar extremes. Here it is:

In news reporting as in common speech, terms are often used that cloud a concise or even a correct understanding. Here is a sampling of politically charged words that create misunderstanding and confusion:


Liberal and conservative:
The meaning of these words depends on the location and circumstance they are spoken about.


“Conservative” in the US is one thing. A “conservative” in the Middle East is quite another. And the same applies to “liberal.”

Here is the problem. These terms are often thought by those in the US as having the same meaning in whatever part of the world they are applied. This is far from reality. For example, in the US, “conservative” means either a fiscal conservative, one who wants less government spending, lower taxes, fewer regulations, and smaller government. Or it means a social conservative, one who promotes a given standard of morality for himself and others, with or without government involvement.


Conversely, a US liberal is generally for more government spending, supports higher taxes, more government regulation and prefers relaxed moral codes, if any, sharing social preferences with libertarians.


This second US definition, “social conservative” comes closest to the Middle East usage of the term “conservative” (one who favors Islamic law), but still remains starkly different. A “conservative” in the Middle East is likely to be an Islamist desiring full implementation of Sharia law, burning churches and killing Jews. A conservative in the US is opposed to the spread of Islam and seeks greater religious freedom.


On the other hand, liberals in the Middle East typically favor less Islamic influence ranging all the way to a preference for a secular rather than an Islamist government. Liberals in the Middle East want less oppressive government, unlike liberals in the United States. This is exemplified in a recent Stratfor article that reads in part: “Liberal groups called for protests against Islamist influence over the process.
In the US, it is conservative groups that protest Islamic influence. Liberals here are generally allied with Islamic groups.


Strange, isn’t it? Here are others.


Far left and Far Right:
Right wing and left wing are similarly misunderstood terms that depend on the region of the world the term is applied to. “Far right” in the US is overused simply to describe people who want smaller government and lower taxes. “Far left” as used in the US appropriately is applied to those who favor bigger government, more government control, and more government intervention into personal lives that tends to resemble Communist and Socialist forms of government.


However, popular usage of “far right” in Europe is commonly but mistakenly equated with Fascism.


Popular usage of the term “far left” is often equated with the Communism. This application is more accurate than is the “far right” application to fascism.


A more accurate and meaningful set of terms to address degrees of freedom than “left” or “right” is a continuum from “absolute oppression” on the left, to free wheeling freedom (aka absolute anarchy) on the right. The far left is total government control over every aspect of human existence. The far right is the total absence of any government control or rule of law.


Using this formula, the far left would include Communists, Islamists and Fascists, with Socialists close behind. Islamist is included because the government would rule via strict Sharia (Islamic) law that would pervade the entire culture. This explains why Communists, Fascists, and Islamists tend to be allies.


The far right would include extreme libertarians, skin heads, and other anarchists preferring a “law of the jungle” existence.

The far left relieves the individual of personal decisions concerning employment, shelter, and sustenance, security and defense which are assumed by the government. There is little sense of personal responsibility, initiative or motivation. There is little uncertainty or fear unless one challenges authority. Government provides. The people produce the minimum required.


The far right relieves the government of all responsibility, leaving every aspect of employment, shelter, sustenance, security and defense up to individuals. There is an overwhelming sense of personal responsibility, more likely and often based in fear and uncertainty. Personal production is stifled by the need to survive.


The Extremes
Of course, these are extremes of each end of the continuum. A balance between these two extremes is where the ideological and political battles rage.


Personal responsibility versus government responsibility. More regulation versus less regulation. Higher taxes versus lower taxes. You name it.

But the essence of the debate is how to achieve a social environment that enables an optimum level of personal productivity, personal responsibility, and personal freedom. The farther we can escape from either the left or right extreme the more likely these goals can be achieved.


What divides
The absence of an indwelling sense of moral responsibility and common purpose tends to allow a nation of people to unglue from the balance in the middle and get sucked to the extremes like by an invisible magnetic force. Both of these value systems are shot to hell in the US. Christianity is mocked.


Churches are turned into entertainment plazas. (They’re turned into mosques in Europe and soon here.) Hedonism and amorality are glorified. Out of control immigration cannot be assimilated, and poorly conceived immigration policy masks the problem.

Multiculturalism degrades and destroys unity. It divides; it does not unite.


What unites
Conversely, a strong, mutually shared sense of morality and common purpose provides the underpinnings for personal responsibility that relieves the need for very much government or the need to rebel against authority. But most trends in the US appear to be headed in the opposite direction. That is why I am refraining from making any positive recommendations. Any suggestions would be so far out of the mainstream of acceptable thought that they would be considered untenable or ridiculous. I could suggest “reverse multiculturalism” or “deport all illegals” or “cease Muslim immigration” or “ban all class warfare rhetoric”, or “ban all Jeremiah Wright, Black Liberation Army types of inciting racist hate speech” and allow prayer and Bible Studies in the public schools, and promote Judeo-Christian values in the public square. But you see how far from “acceptable policy” these actions would be in our current political environment?


A strong, mutually shared sense of morality and common purpose is what our nation sorely lacks and is losing more of every day. And we are ungluing from the center toward polar opposite camps of extremes.


This cannot end well.
 
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Well pretty much all my views are in accordance with the"old-path" Pentecostal's.
Sex should be between a married man and a woman.
Marriage should be between a man and a woman.
Women should wear skirts below or at knee-level, as well as keep their hair long/never cut it. Also, no makeup.
Men and women should not have any type of bodily piercings or jewelry.
The music of this day and age is, aside from awful-sounding- just plain un-Christian like and should not be "enjoyed" by followers of Christ. Music is there to honor Him.
As you can see, I have some VERY conservative views.
 
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It's a sliding scale~one man's conservative is another's liberal...but I view myself as more conservative than most...just not a typical GOP/Right Wing sort of historic Christian (as in going back to the early church and not the Reformation or some imagined "glory-era" of the USA) conservative~I don't participate in the political process so that generally gets me booted from the typical "Conservative Christian" groups though I'll "out-conservative" most of them any day ;)
 
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In news reporting as in common speech, terms are often used that cloud a concise or even a correct understanding. Here is a sampling of politically charged words that create misunderstanding and confusion:


Liberal and conservative:
The meaning of these words depends on the location and circumstance they are spoken about.


“Conservative” in the US is one thing. A “conservative” in the Middle East is quite another. And the same applies to “liberal.”

Here is the problem. These terms are often thought by those in the US as having the same meaning in whatever part of the world they are applied.

The reason for that is because "conservative" (properly translated in your earlier remarks) originated in European thought, reflecting European (and American) issues. It has a Western meaning that is not applicable to non-Western societies. When that is done--as with the Middle East--it is not likely to be appropriate.

For example, in the US, “conservative” means either a fiscal conservative, one who wants less government spending, lower taxes, fewer regulations, and smaller government.

Not necessarily. That would be closer to a libertarian. A true conservative would be what you referred to next.

it means a social conservative, one who promotes a given standard of morality for himself and others, with or without government involvement.

Conversely, a US liberal is generally for more government spending, supports higher taxes, more government regulation and prefers relaxed moral codes, if any, sharing social preferences with libertarians.


Not sharing preferences with libertarians, although at one time a classical liberal was a libertarian. Socialists preferred to be known as liberals, and that is why the word liberal came to mean something the opposite of what it originally meant. Today, the word liberal is unpopular and so these people now want to be called progressives.

Far left and Far Right:
Right wing and left wing are similarly misunderstood terms that depend on the region of the world the term is applied to. “Far right” in the US is overused simply to describe people who want smaller government and lower taxes.


I don't think that's the normal use of the term except among the Far Left when seeking to besmirch the reputations of either conservatives or libertarians.

“Far left” as used in the US appropriately is applied to those who favor bigger government, more government control, and more government intervention into personal lives that tends to resemble Communist and Socialist forms of government.


Yes.


However, popular usage of “far right” in Europe is commonly but mistakenly equated with Fascism.

Once again, that's because the terms originated in Europe and are not well-translated into the situation in other countries. The European Far Right IS highly nationalistic and authoritarian.

 
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Far left and Far Right:
Right wing and left wing are similarly misunderstood terms that depend on the region of the world the term is applied to. “Far right” in the US is overused simply to describe people who want smaller government and lower taxes. “Far left” as used in the US appropriately is applied to those who favor bigger government, more government control, and more government intervention into personal lives that tends to resemble Communist and Socialist forms of government.


However, popular usage of “far right” in Europe is commonly but mistakenly equated with Fascism.


Popular usage of the term “far left” is often equated with the Communism. This application is more accurate than is the “far right” application to fascism.


A more accurate and meaningful set of terms to address degrees of freedom than “left” or “right” is a continuum from “absolute oppression” on the left, to free wheeling freedom (aka absolute anarchy) on the right. The far left is total government control over every aspect of human existence. The far right is the total absence of any government control or rule of law.


Using this formula, the far left would include Communists, Islamists and Fascists, with Socialists close behind. Islamist is included because the government would rule via strict Sharia (Islamic) law that would pervade the entire culture. This explains why Communists, Fascists, and Islamists tend to be allies.


The far right would include extreme libertarians, skin heads, and other anarchists preferring a “law of the jungle” existence.

The far left relieves the individual of personal decisions concerning employment, shelter, and sustenance, security and defense which are assumed by the government. There is little sense of personal responsibility, initiative or motivation. There is little uncertainty or fear unless one challenges authority. Government provides. The people produce the minimum required.


The far right relieves the government of all responsibility, leaving every aspect of employment, shelter, sustenance, security and defense up to individuals. There is an overwhelming sense of personal responsibility, more likely and often based in fear and uncertainty. Personal production is stifled by the need to survive.



However, popular usage of “far right” in Europe is commonly but mistakenly equated with Fascism.

But Fascists and their more recent incarnations are Far Right. For example, in the UK the National Front and the BNP are politically far right, as is the National Front in France.

The problem with the above analysis is that it ends up claiming that the Nationalist far right parities are actually far left! I agree that in practice, the far right and far left end up having a lot of similarities, and are equally oppressive. If a theory produces results that disagree with the actual world or accepted definitions, then there is a problem with the theory, not the real world. The terms Left and Right referring to politics originated in France. You cannot just go redefining what Left and Right means to fit some theory. The real world is far more complex, and there are many more aspects to left-right than just the single axis of government control.

One of the basic ideologies of the National Front and similar groups is the racial purity of their country. Hence, they oppose immigration, not because of economic reasons (taking jobs from natives, or not enough resources to support more people) but because people from other races are fundamentally different and should not be mixing with the indigenous races, but should remain in their own homelands.


 
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I took the question to mean "conservative" in a religious context, not a political one. A religious conservative need not be a political conservative, and vice versa. I happen to be both, but I took this question to be about my religious, rather than my political beliefs.
 
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I took the question to mean "conservative" in a religious context, not a political one. A religious conservative need not be a political conservative, and vice versa. I happen to be both, but I took this question to be about my religious, rather than my political beliefs.

IMO you are right about that. It looks like the discussion stayed, more or less, on track until a few posts ago. Maybe you've now called everyone back to the right focus by your comment.
 
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I consider myself to be conservative in the sense that my moral views are, well, conservative :p I believe that, if you choose to be a Christian, then it is important that you accept as fact the teachings of the Bible. Choosing to superimpose your own meaning onto the moral teachings contained therein does a grave injustice to the meaning of the text itself and, as a person who absolutely and thoroughly cannot stand to be lied to by anyone (including himself), I'm not a big fan of doing that.

EDIT: frankly, some of my last post was blatantly wrong.
 
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I think I was a conservative going back to youth. I've always had good discernment and even before accepting Christ as Lord I was already comparing things that happened to what God would want. I had a close relationship with God as a young person, I talked to Him, I seemed to know what was right a wrong and what would please him. I watched a television play as a youngster where a woman was having a baby but the doctor said that if they saved the baby's life that she would die in giving birth. Ultimately the wife and husband decided that it would be wrong in God's eyes to abort the baby even if that mean the death of the mother. I agreed with that outcome, even though I was very young. God is the creator and we have no right to kill His creation. That settled the issue of abortion for me from then on. Conservatism has to do with seeking God's answer to the problem and then, when we know His answer, do it HIS way. Even economic decisions have a right and wrong way according to God and to His Word. His Word gives us direction so that we might prosper. Ignoring His word and taking the Liberal way, gets us into trouble.
 
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Conservative has to do with conserving, i.e. holding to that which has stood the test of time. That's what it means on this forum. If you claim to be a real Bible-believer but hold some theology that is of recent origin, there's no point in arguing if your interpretation is correct or not...it's not traditional.
 
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my being a conservative: I knew nothing about politics until Bush became Pres. and 9/11 happened, I didn't know anything about sides, I just thought everybody was pro-america. I was wrong. My dad is a hugely into politics so everything I know comes from him. But I've really gotten into it in the last few years.

my foundation comes from my faith and I guess u could say I'm a values voter. There was a time when I cared about nothing else but wether the canidate was prolife or not. Now I see the economy in a mess, Oman making it worse and have xpanded. But I would never ever forget the values core. Some repubs today do and that scares me. they will never win if they throw those issues aside, which is why im for rick santorum


I guess I'm conservative by nature, from way back, but 9/11 really threw those things into stark relief for me. I live close enough to one of the attacks to have smelled the burning wire.

I'm a little on the older side so I know what happens when society begins a slide into moral relativism and tries to take God out of the public discourse. I vote with my feet, I'm a Catholic who loves Joyce Meyer, Joel Osteen and John Hagee, and I respect not only the Bible but our Constitution.


And I respect anyone's freedom to run barefoot in the grass, lol. Just watch out for poison ivy. ;)

Just when I said I came here for NON serious talk.....
 
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I consider myself a conservative, because I am a 'Paleoconservative' and all that that entails. It is the one that makes the most sense to me and where I can viably live out my principles, faith, and beliefs; in daily life, conversations, and to adhere to politically.
 
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Hi. Nice to meet you all. This seems like as good a place as any to introduce myself.

I consider myself conservative in almost every aspect: the lone exception being that I believe that women should be able to be pastors. (I'm sure I'm gonna get some flack for that from someone, but there it is.) Otherwise, I am discovering that I am a rarity in Christian circles, even at the seminary where I am studying to become a pastor myself. It appalls me to see some of the behavior my classmates indulge in.

Well, I'm trying to stem the tide. I believe in the Word of God, as tradition has passed it to us from our forefathers and mothers. I believe that homosexuality is a sin. I believe that any kind of sexual activity for that matter that is outside the bounds of marriage (1 man, 1 woman) is a sin. I believe that our body is the temple of God, and we shouldn't abuse it with drugs or excess in alcohol. I believe abortion is wrong. I could go on... but I think and hope I'm preaching to the choir here and the soapbox can be put away. :)
 
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I am conservative in my morals, values, virtues, economic views, budgetary views, regarding change. I'm down-right 'reactionary' on some case. Meaning that I don't want a 'conservatism' that 'conserves modern-day Liberalism that now pervades America or the Catholic Church; rather, I want to turn back the clock to a time whenever True Conservatism reigned in both the Church of God and in America. 1950s is a decent starting point (although, it too was marked by Liberalism to a degree; it's a good place as any to return).

I support Traditional Marriage and desire its preservation from all the sins and corruptions that assail this Holy Sacrament of God. Hence, I believe:

1. Marriage is between One Man and One Woman until Death do you part.
2. Marriage is indissoluble.
3. Divorce is evil, invalid, and illegitimate. As God says in the Book of Malachias: "I Hate Divorce." Ergo, as Scripture is truth; that which God detests is not good, but rather ill and bad.

Regarding the Issue of Life; I am pro-Life in all these areas:

1. I support the protection of the defenseless Unborn. Hence, I oppose abortion, as it is the murder of the unborn.
2. I oppose Contraception, as it objectifies one's spouse; making one's spouse as the object of and union merely reduced to that of pleasure, casting aside the true and necessary components of being open to God's blessing of life and children --- and being full of Charity between spouses. One must always be open to life and procreation, as that is what God intended coition for. To frustrate this contraception is deny God apart in one's Marriage and in the most fundamental of marital acts, wherein God created for Man and Wife to engage.
3. I oppose the evil of 'Euthanasia' as it is termed. It is the legitimisation of murdering someone under the pretext of 'relieving their discomfort or pain.' Christ suffered through out His life. He told us to 'take up your cross daily and follow after me'. He did not promise us a totally comfortable life; rather, he told us that we would suffer, but that we would be strengthened by His grace to endure our trials and tribulations in life that come from the Devil, the world, or our own fleshly concupiscence.

On the Death Penalty:
I support the death penalty as the exercise of and carrying out of justice. To give a man life in prison for the crime of murder and potentially allow a possibility that he could escape and murder again is a denial of justice and hardly right.

Hence, I believe that:
1. The Death Penalty ought to be legal.
2. Justice ought to be swift (No more than Six months till one's trial).
3. Justice ought to be carried out swiftly (i.e. One gets A year's time to prove one's innocence after one's conviction and one appeal. So as to not delay unduly justice or to impede it being carried out).
4. One's method of execution would be up to the choice of the prisoner (so as long as justice is administered, the execution method would not really matter). E.g. Hanging, Firing Squad, the Garotte, etc.)
5. The Death Penalty would be for all murderers, rapists, and pederasts. So that they may never do violence or violate another man, woman, or child e'er again.

My views on the Taxes:
I support a simple fair tax that is easy to administer and relatively free of corruption and complication:

I support a Flat tax. A flat income tax ensures that all pay the tax without exemption and ensures decent source of revenue from the gov't while precluding the rich or poor alike from shirking the responsibility of paying taxes; particularly if it's easy or straight-forward.

Hence, the policy ought to be:
1. A flat income tax rate on personal incomes.
2. The Personal Income tax ought to be capped at no more than 10-15% at all, ever; any higher percentages would be constitutionally banned.
3. Ban and abolish the IRS.
4. Cap the Corporate Taxes and small business taxes at either 10-15% flat (like the above personal income one) so that business would have no loopholes or excuse for not following or paying such a simple, easy tax).
 
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Hi, I'm afraid I'm going to be the monkey wrench in the system today. I'm not uneducated or unaware but it still strikes me that one has to learn a whole new vocabulary these days just to discuss Christianity. On top of it all, each denomination has its own language. I hope there comes a day when we can drop the 'christianise' and just simply talk. *ducking as tomatoes come flying my way* :p I guess the reason I'm posting this here is because it seems that at times in order to be considered a conservative one needs to speak 'christianise'.
 
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