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Hello.

Some years ago I was on a flight from Tel Aviv to Frankfurt and there was a group of Chasidic rabbis on the flight with me. I chatted with one of them who was sitted on the long middle row with nobody else but us. He was reading his Bible. So I asked him who he was, where he was traveling to and so on, and told him a little about myself. I asked him at one point, “Why do you believe in what you believe?” He looked greatly puzzled as if nobody had ever asked him that question. He was thinking intensely it seemed, and answered, “I’m a Jew, it’s what we do”. So his reason was, being born into the religion… Weather I like it or not, agree or not, it’s a valid reason.

Have you ever considered, why do you believe in what you believe? Truly. I’m not asking about the need or requirement for faith through a theologic prism.

I’m asking about why do you think you personally came to believe what you believe in today. Your honest and real answer.

“I found it true” is probably the best answer for any faith, but I’m asking to please provide more detail.

You needed to make sense of this world and your place in it? You felt God calling and found a practical way to connect with him? Was born into this faith and it spoke to you so you went along with it? It helps you in day by day life? You enjoy the music and circle of fellow Christians? You married a Christian and it’s convenient to remain in one faith to keep family unity? Reached a rock bottom of self-destructive lifestyle and was saved by Jesus out of it? Found Christian practice very useful so you follow it despite partial disagreement with its doctrines. Etc..

Maybe none of the above… Or could be more than one reason. I don’t know. We’re all unique.

Thank you
 
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Hello.

Some years ago I was on a flight from Tel Aviv to Frankfurt and there was a group of Chasidic rabbis on the flight with me. I chatted with one of them who was sitted on the long middle row with nobody else but us. He was reading his Bible. So I asked him who he was, where he was traveling to and so on, and told him a little about myself. I asked him at one point, “Why do you believe in what you believe?” He looked greatly puzzled as if nobody had ever asked him that question. He was thinking intensely it seemed, and answered, “I’m a Jew, it’s what we do”. So his reason was, being born into the religion… Weather I like it or not, agree or not, it’s a valid reason.

Have you ever considered, why do you believe in what you believe? Truly. I’m not asking about the need or requirement for faith through a theologic prism.

I’m asking about why do you think you personally came to believe what you believe in today. Your honest and real answer.

“I found it true” is probably the best answer for any faith, but I’m asking to please provide more detail.

You needed to make sense of this world and your place in it? You felt God calling and found a practical way to connect with him? Was born into this faith and it spoke to you so you went along with it? It helps you in day by day life? You enjoy the music and circle of fellow Christians? You married a Christian and it’s convenient to remain in one faith to keep family unity? Etc..

Maybe none of the above… Or could be more than one reason. I don’t know. We’re all unique.

Thank you
An undeniable love for Him. Raised Catholic, went on to Hinduism then became born again. All through these times I maintain my love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth even though I quenched Him, He never left me. Love prevails.
Blessings
 
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An undeniable love for Him. Raised Catholic, went on to Hinduism then became born again. All through these times I maintain my love for Jesus Christ of Nazareth even though I quenched Him, He never left me. Love prevails.
Blessings

Thank you. Love, why? Have you thought why you’re in love with Jesus? In the pure sense of the word course. What’s in it for you? Tge origins of the feelings? Why Jesus and not Lord Krishna? If you could elaborate please
 
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Thank you. Love, why? Have you thought why you’re in love with Jesus? In the pure sense of the word course. What’s in it for you? Tge origins of the feelings? Why Jesus and not Lord Krishna? If you could elaborate please
No never thought why I love my Lord. It is like breathing. Not something you think about because it is natural. We are made in His image and He has made His home in me. Just like breathing.
 
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:) After going through a lot of things, I decided I did not have ability to get things straight, unless God saw fit to have me know the truth. And so I trusted Him to have me know what He wants. And since then I have developed more and more with the Bible and things I find are related to what the Bible says is true.

The Bible, for me, confirms itself by talking about what is so better than humans are giving attention to. Even church people don't talk about the good that God's word says God wants for us! So, this helps me see how there is God and so better than all that we humans have been able to get ourselves into :)
 
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Several years ago on a business trip to Japan, I asked a gal if she had ever considered Christianity. She answered that she had periods in her life when she felt bad, but never bad enough to consider religion. That was an interesting response to me that religion would be seen for its therapeutic value.

I was raised Lutheran and as a teen found that I could not accept the system I was presented as rational, logical, and therefore questioned its truth.

Later in life I thought I should at least read the bible and came incrementally to find truth in which I could trust (have faith).

This path led me to have compassion for the many Christians who may have been given a poor presentation of Christianity or inherited a familial tradition saddled with poor doctrine.

People can trust in many things that are not true. Many trusted in their bank accounts in 1929. Many in Poland thought they would enjoy a peaceful life in the summer of 1939.

Reading and reflecting on the bible (considering could this be true? or how does this fit with that) allows God's word to work in us in a way that improves our ability to discern truth.

Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

For me inquiry turned into certainty and I have had no regrets in the last forty years.
 
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I’m asking about why do you think you personally came to believe what you believe in today. Your honest and real answer.
For most people, what they believe is guided by others close to them: parents, other family, friends, teachers, etc. Young people take cues from and are influenced by those around them. Many of us retain those beliefs well into adulthood, often with little change.

Of course, there is a significant number of people who revise, adjust, change, and even abandon their “original” faith, and the system of beliefs they were raised in. Many Christians change denominations, such as those in the second largest Christian denomination, “former Catholics”. Do they change their basic beliefs in doing so? I don’t think so to any great extent, as it seems to be the externals of a denomination that turn people away, more than core beliefs.

I, like most others, was influenced by those around me as I grew up. But being a person who questions and wants to dig deeper, I also did much of my own study and research. When a scripture passage was read in church, I would want to pull out a Bible and read more from that book and chapter, to understand what was being said or done, and to get the context. Then I would reference commentary about it and see how Bible scholars viewed it. As I did that I asked a question, one I still ask today: What is the real message here? What does it mean for me?

This process has taken me beyond the Bible and the doctrines and teachings of my church, by reading what others outside my faith say and experience. This includes both Christian and non-Christian sources. And I have found through them, and continue to find, more profound meanings and understandings about my own spirituality.

Because of this process, some of my beliefs have changed over the years. I also arrange my beliefs in a hierarchy, considering which are essential, which have great value, which may or not matter, and which are not important at all (or may not be “true”). For example, my core beliefs center on the two greatest commandments (per Jesus) and on respect for life, in all its stages and circumstances. An example of a belief that may not matter is regarding who wrote some of the epistles attributed to Paul. Whether he was the one who actually wrote Colossians or Ephesians is not, to me, a belief that matters. It is the content and the message that has value, not the person who authored it.

I don’t expect any major changes in the future, but I do expect to tweak my beliefs and the hierarchy now and then for the rest of my life.
 
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It's a long story, but I grew up in a non-religious background. We were a family of four - my father was a non-believing Catholic, my mother a non-practising Anglican, I was baptised Presbyterian, and my sister wasn't baptised at all. It was like a microcosm of modern Western Christendom - more mixed up than scrambled eggs.

I think the reason I was baptised Presbyterian was that my mother worked in a major store with a Presbyterian Church right behind it. I suspect she soft talked the pastor into marrying them as the rules regarding interchurch marriages were pretty rigid in 1953. He probably agreed on the condition any offspring were baptised Presbyterian. She never admitted to it, but I've got a strong suspicion. So when I came along I was baptised Presbyterian.

I was sent off to Sunday School in my early school years, although my parents didn't go to church. I felt some sort of empathy for Christ, but not enough to make a commitment. I dropped out, but I did get as far as joining a PFA, Presbyterian Fellowship Association. I had a run-in with another bloke who later became a pastor. I still haven't got much time for him.

I effectively became an atheist at about the age of 15, partly due to the theory of evolution. But to cut a long story short, by the time I was 28 I was in a very frustrating state in life. As it happened this was 1982, and the Commonwealth Games were on in Brisbane. I had the flu and ended up watching a lot more sport than I normally would. But as I sat there I kept getting this image of the old Presbyterian Church where I went to Sunday School years before. It was quite persistent, and so I finally gave up and went.

A month or so later I made a commitment. Since then I've become Catholic. The pastor I had during my Presbyterian sojourn was an outstanding man, and he predicted I'd become Catholic. He had a bitg more to say on that, but after he died I had a vision of him saying "The Catholic Church is CLOSEST to the truth" with a distinct emphasis on the word "CLOSEST".

So I've gone from a non-religious background (with an abusive father, which colours my perception of God's fatherhood), through a bout of atheism, then Presbyterian (protestant if you like), then Catholic.

I suppose I've moved more and more towards what appears to be the Truth. Mind you I still have a bit of Protestant cynicism in me, and I don't agree with everything in the Catholic Church's teachings. After all the word he used was "Closest", not "All" or "Complete". Plus there's my Australian cynicism.

The child abuse saga didn't faze me as I was warned by the Presbyterian pastor that after I joned the Catholic Church there'd be a child abuse crisis, and in his words "I think there's going to be a LOT of them." it was disappointing, but the church isn't entirely made up of the relatively small number of abusive priests and bishops who covered for them. They're very much a minority.

He would have warned me around 1990 or 1991, which is well before the stuff hit the media fan, although most of the actual abuse took place well before that. Many of the offending priests were pre-Vatican II trained and inducted, for those who blame Vatican II.

In any case, one of the prayers the priest intones each week includes the words "... look not on our sins, but on the FAITH of your church...", which is about it. If He just looked on our sins, every single one of us would end up "Down Under".
 
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I don't agree with everything in the Catholic Church's teachings. After all the word he used was "Closest", not "All" or "Complete".
My view exactly. I don't think any church or denomination has it completely right. But close enough.
 
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Hello.

Some years ago I was on a flight from Tel Aviv to Frankfurt and there was a group of Chasidic rabbis on the flight with me. I chatted with one of them who was sitted on the long middle row with nobody else but us. He was reading his Bible. So I asked him who he was, where he was traveling to and so on, and told him a little about myself. I asked him at one point, “Why do you believe in what you believe?” He looked greatly puzzled as if nobody had ever asked him that question. He was thinking intensely it seemed, and answered, “I’m a Jew, it’s what we do”. So his reason was, being born into the religion… Weather I like it or not, agree or not, it’s a valid reason.
Have you ever considered, why do you believe in what you believe? Truly. I’m not asking about the need or requirement for faith through a theologic prism.

I’m asking about why do you think you personally came to believe what you believe in today. Your honest and real answer.

“I found it true” is probably the best answer for any faith, but I’m asking to please provide more detail.

You needed to make sense of this world and your place in it? You felt God calling and found a practical way to connect with him? Was born into this faith and it spoke to you so you went along with it? It helps you in day by day life? You enjoy the music and circle of fellow Christians? You married a Christian and it’s convenient to remain in one faith to keep family unity? Reached a rock bottom of self-destructive lifestyle and was saved by Jesus out of it? Found Christian practice very useful so you follow it despite partial disagreement with its doctrines. Etc..

Maybe none of the above… Or could be more than one reason. I don’t know. We’re all unique.

Thank you
You can't make yourself believe what you do not truly believe.

That was me until the powerful operation of the Holy Spirit within my spirit gave me to know with absolute certainty that the Scriptures were indeed the word of God from the mouth of God speaking the very truth of God. Oh, what glory!
 
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I grew up attending a Baptist church. I heard about sinners going to hell if they don't "believe in Jesus" and be "saved" every Sunday. But by the time I was 17-18 years old I wasn't sure if any of it was true. I could not understand how saying a prayer "in Jesus' name" saved anyone. I doubted if the bible was true, or if God was real, or if Jesus was real.
Later I stopped going to church, forgot about God, sin, hell, and Jesus, and got on with my life. But, for some reason, a few years later I began to think about the matter of sin in my life & a lot of the things I had heard about the matter in church began to trouble me. I still wasn't sure if any of it was true, but I began to think that I might be wrong about the matter, and if so, then I could be facing a tragic future. The thought of going to hell was frightening, and that fear led to a life of misery for me that lasted for about 6 years.
During those miserable years I decided that I wanted to know the truth about God & the bible, so I began to go to the same Baptist church that I grew up attending, and pretended to be a Christian. Most everyone there knew me and they probably thought I was a Christian.
I talked to the pastor about "believing" telling him that I had some doubts, but never said anything about doubting the existence of God or the truth of the bible. I purchased some books from the church library; books about salvation. I read them many times trying to find something that would convince me that the bible is true and that God is real. I found that those books mostly just quoted the same scriptures that I had already heard as a kid, and I found nothing there to convince me that any of it was true. I also talked to our Sunday school teacher about the matter, but again he could not convince me that the bible is true.
I really wanted to "believe," and would try to work up a sense of "faith" and then say a prayer asking God to save me "in Jesus' name." But I was praying to a God who I wasn't sure existed, and I still did not understand how saying a prayer "in Jesus' name" saved anyone. I just did not get it.
I would try to make myself believe that the bible is true & that God is real, and that Jesus really "saves," but no matter how much I tried to make myself "believe" I just could not do it. The doubts & fear made my life miserable, but I kept it to myself and did not discuss any of it with my wife. By the way, my wife was not a believer either at that time.
I would say that the fear created by thinking that there was no way I could ever know if God was real or if the bible is true or if God heard my prayers is what drove me to search for the "truth" about the matter. And, one night I finally just "gave up" on myself, and out of a sense of desperation I called out to the God who I wasn't sure existed, asking him to show me how to believe in Him.
The next day I found the family bible, which was never opened or read, opened it to the book of John, and started reading. I need to explain that this was the first time I had ever opened a bible outside of church. In the past I had read in the book of John in Sunday school, but it did not mean anything to me then, but this time was different. As I read from the very first verse of chapter 1 of the book of John, I realized that something inside of me was showing me that I was reading the truth about Jesus. Today, 45 years later, I know that the Holy Spirit was giving me spiritual light that I needed, because I was in the darkness of unbelief, and that light grew brighter & brighter as I continued to read the words that told me about Jesus, about the spirit of truth, about who He is and about what He did for me. By the time I read through the 6th chapter I found my answer. The Holy Spirit turned on the light for me and "I got it." The Holy Spirit convinced me that the bible is the truth, that God is real, and that Jesus paid the penalty for my sin when He went to the cross; paid in full. After seeing that, I didn't have to try to make myself "believe," because God just convinced me of the truth of His way of saving me. Immediately the doubts & fears were gone and my troubled soul was overwhelmed with a sense of relief as the darkness of unbelief vanished under the brightness of the light of the truth I had just discovered. It was no longer about "me," not about anything "I" could do. God's answer was about "Jesus;" about His finished work on the cross for me. It was about Him; not about me. My confidence moved from "myself," from saying prayers, from walking the isle at church, from begging God, or from anything "I" could do to the finished work of Jesus on the cross.
Yes, I did say a prayer thanking Jesus for paying the penalty for my sins and asking Him to change my life. He did change my life that day, and he gave me peace. I still have that peace today; a peace that is impossible to explain to anyone who has never experienced it for themselves.
The reason I believe is because I searched for the truth and found it.

Regards,

John
 
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Maybe none of the above… Or could be more than one reason. I don’t know. We’re all unique.

I used to believe based on fear. I grew up in the USSR, after being a firstborn (out of four kids) to a very devout Christian coupe. Church situation was different in the Soviet Union, and Christians were more intense about practicing their faith.

My parents did not obey the authorities and brought us kids to the church services. In retrospect, this was a mistake, because the kids, together with the adults, would listen to sermons about how God will come and judge the world. In some sense, these types of sermons were meant as an encouragement for the believers, who were persecuted for their faith (fines, discrimination, sometimes prison terms). But this stuff scared me, because, as a developing child/young teenager, I did not develop critical thinking. I remember being really afraid of the devil, of demons, and of dying and being punished by God for my sins. And, btw, my worst sin was lust. Which, according to Jesus, was the same as adultery, and adultery remains a very very bad sin. So, I believed in Jesus, repented of my sins very frequently.

However, I never felt any reciprocity and I remember having panic attacks at the thought of committing an unpardonable sin and having no hope of eternal life. I shared my story with fellow teens and found, to a small relief, that I was not alone in my worries.

At any rate, I'm now an atheist, but occasionally still have to work through the residual fear of a possibility of the existence of Hell.
 
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I used to believe based on fear. I grew up in the USSR, after being a firstborn (out of four kids) to a very devout Christian coupe. Church situation was different in the Soviet Union, and Christians were more intense about practicing their faith.

My parents did not obey the authorities and brought us kids to the church services. In retrospect, this was a mistake, because the kids, together with the adults, would listen to sermons about how God will come and judge the world. In some sense, these types of sermons were meant as an encouragement for the believers, who were persecuted for their faith (fines, discrimination, sometimes prison terms). But this stuff scared me, because, as a developing child/young teenager, I did not develop critical thinking. I remember being really afraid of the devil, of demons, and of dying and being punished by God for my sins. And, btw, my worst sin was lust. Which, according to Jesus, was the same as adultery, and adultery remains a very very bad sin. So, I believed in Jesus, repented of my sins very frequently.

However, I never felt any reciprocity and I remember having panic attacks at the thought of committing an unpardonable sin and having no hope of eternal life. I shared my story with fellow teens and found, to a small relief, that I was not alone in my worries.

At any rate, I'm now an atheist, but occasionally still have to work through the residual fear of a possibility of the existence of Hell.


Thank you for sharing your story, I can’t imagine growing up in circumstances like that. Were you bullied by peers? Or did you have to hide your faith and lead a double life?

Horrible horrible memories of living in a prison of fear and I’m glad you got out of it… I once met a guy from the Ukraine in Seattle and he told me about Kids of Religious Parents, not in a good way
 
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Thank you for sharing your story, I can’t imagine growing up in circumstances like that. Were you bullied by peers? Or did you have to hide your faith and lead a double life?

Horrible horrible memories of living in a prison of fear and I’m glad you got out of it… I once met a guy from the Ukraine in Seattle and he told me about Kids of Religious Parents, not in a good way

Thanks for your compassion. Yep, I was bullied, picked on. I was of a very timid composition. But I don’t know if it’s genetic or a result of my dad’s spankings. The school system was such, that we stayed as a group of people, same classmates, from the beginning of school 1st grade, all the way to 9th grade. So if one is a weakling, the reputation follows them.

I can’t say my childhood was all bad. I had some good relationships both in school and in the church, but I’d also say that fear was a major component. I was afraid of God, of Satan, of my dad, and of conflicts at school.
 
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Hello.

Some years ago I was on a flight from Tel Aviv to Frankfurt and there was a group of Chasidic rabbis on the flight with me. I chatted with one of them who was sitted on the long middle row with nobody else but us. He was reading his Bible. So I asked him who he was, where he was traveling to and so on, and told him a little about myself. I asked him at one point, “Why do you believe in what you believe?” He looked greatly puzzled as if nobody had ever asked him that question. He was thinking intensely it seemed, and answered, “I’m a Jew, it’s what we do”. So his reason was, being born into the religion… Weather I like it or not, agree or not, it’s a valid reason.

Have you ever considered, why do you believe in what you believe? Truly. I’m not asking about the need or requirement for faith through a theologic prism.

I’m asking about why do you think you personally came to believe what you believe in today. Your honest and real answer.

“I found it true” is probably the best answer for any faith, but I’m asking to please provide more detail.

You needed to make sense of this world and your place in it? You felt God calling and found a practical way to connect with him? Was born into this faith and it spoke to you so you went along with it? It helps you in day by day life? You enjoy the music and circle of fellow Christians? You married a Christian and it’s convenient to remain in one faith to keep family unity? Reached a rock bottom of self-destructive lifestyle and was saved by Jesus out of it? Found Christian practice very useful so you follow it despite partial disagreement with its doctrines. Etc..

Maybe none of the above… Or could be more than one reason. I don’t know. We’re all unique.

Thank you

I was born into, and raised in a Christian home. So I grew up with that basic foundation of the Christian religion. But unfortunately I believe that much of the theology and my general experience of Christianity was also very harmful in a lot of ways.

The short of it is that from when I was born until I was 8 years old my family attended my mom's church, the church my parents also met in and got married in. It was a non-Charismatic non-denominational church. When I was 8 one of the elders in the church was having an affair with a divorced single mother, and he decided to divorce his wife to marry his mistress. If it came out that he had been having an affair for divorcing and remarrying for that reason he would have lost his position and standing in the church (and, subsequently, his businesses in town would have probably suffered, as he was a pretty wealthy member of the community with several high profile restaurants in the area). So he fabricated a story about his wife and my mom (who were friends in the church choir) had been engaged in a homosexual relationship in secret. The church's board of elders summoned my mom to to a church trial where my mom was not allowed to defend herself but was expected instead to simply accept the guilt and repent of something she had not done. She complied solely to protect my dad, me, and my little brother. That wasn't good enough for the elders, and the pastor was powerless to intervene because the way the church's politics were structured the board of elders essentially governed the church with their own whims and wants, even the pastor couldn't do or say anything without the board of elders letting him.

And I know the pastor of that church was against what happened, because of nearly 3,000 people who belonged to that church, he was the only human being in that whole church that ever once made any attempt to reach out to my mom, to my dad, and even to me when I got older. Right up until my mom's death in 2000 the majority of the people from that church's only interaction with me was to ask how I was after my mom became a lesbian degenerate or whatever.

We did get kicked out of the church after my mom's "trial", because even though she apologized in front of the elders, church practice there mandated standing in front of the entire congregation for each of the two services seating over 1,500 people each and "confess" and to ask the forgiveness of the entire congregation. They said it was based on what Jesus says in the Beatitudes, but I know very well that the purpose of this was to shame people in order to keep them in line.

After we were kicked out of the church for my mother's "crimes" of being falsely accused of breaking up a cheating elder's marriage. We found a new church that had people who accepted us and loved us. A very tiny Pentecostal church that met at the local YMCA because there wasn't any money yet to have our own church building (that changed years later when our church merged with another from the next town over). It was part of the Foursquare denomination.

I have nothing negative to say about anyone from that church, except maybe the mother of one of the kids I became friends with. She was very scary. But on the whole these were lovely people who genuinely loved one another. And that's where my mom was able to heal.

And as I grew up into adolescence, that was the Christianity I experienced.

I also, while growing up attended a very small private school run by a local independent Baptist church. Some things I learned there until corrected later was that the King James Version was the only real Bible because Jesus spoke King James English. Or at least that's what the teachers were telling me. Fun fact, when my parents bought me a children's NIV Bible when I entered the 1st Grade, I protested that it was a fake Bible. So my parents had to do a lot of extra work de-programming a lot of the things I learned at school. A school that treated students whose parents weren't members as second class students. I can think of quite a few times my teachers made a strong effort to ostracize both me and my brother, which led to quite a few of the students interpreting as free reign to make sure I knew that I didn't really belong.

Entering adolescence my raging pubescent hormones and my sense of religious moralism were in sharp contrast. And that moralism which had been hammered into me by my various teachers and pastors and other church folk over my childhood effectively led me to believing that the ordinary changes that happen during puberty made me feel especially evil. I have memories of being 12 or 13 years old and just thinking that I was imagining women naked, so that I was certainly destined for hell.

I figured that had I "really meant it" when I "accepted Jesus", then I should be reflecting that morality and "holiness" that all the church folk in my life were talking about. Sure, I was a sinner, and maybe I'll still sometimes mess up, but the basic shape of my life should be holy and upstanding. But here I was, just a regular kid with regular kid problems and struggles, and all I could do is convince myself that I must have never really believed in Jesus at all if I couldn't take Jesus seriously enough to stop having sexual urges.

That fear of damnation, that fear of not having "really meant it" wasn't a new one for me. And it wouldn't be the last.

When I was maybe seven going on eight years old I had a huge conversation with my dad asking him how I could know if I was truly, really, actually saved. I remembered when I was four years old and I "asked Jesus into my heart" like I had been told; I remembered my parents leading me through "The Sinner's Prayer". And my dad told me this, "Well, as long as you meant it, you're saved, did you mean it?" And that question haunted me, even as a child. I was a child, but I was now asking the question of, "How can I know if I meant it?" What does sincerity actually look like or mean? Could I have thought I meant it but didn't actually mean it because I don't even know what meaning it looks like? My dad asked if I loved Jesus, and I said that I thought I did. I mean I was pretty sure I loved Jesus, but like, what if I didn't and I just thought I did? What does it actually mean to love Jesus anyway? How can I know that I really, really, really, really, actually, truly love Jesus? Is there supposed to be some kind of special feeling?

Well, all the churches and schools and church people in my life told me that you can know you're really saved because you'll just "know" it. But I don't know how to just "know"; and so I didn't know if I knew. And that is why, in becoming a teenager this existential dread didn't go away, but really only continued to get bigger and darker the more involved with church functions I became.

In high school, all while doing my darndest to be the "best Christian" I could, based on whatever ways I thought that meant at the time; most of my various church friends would frequently talk casually about how spiritual I was. How close to God I must have been. And while I never felt truly comfortable hearing things like that (because I knew myself better than they did), I also didn't really actively do anything to dissuade people from the opinion. So at church I would put all my heart and soul into "worship", and of course I heard similar things there, the adults in my church talked about how full of the Holy Spirit I was, my pastor apparently told my mom that he thought I would become a prophet one day.

But when I was alone. When it was just me and God--and my own thoughts. I was terrified. Secluded away I would be 16 years old, laying prostrate on my floor, begging God not to abandon me because of how full of sin I was. By how full of hypocrisy I was.

I'm realizing here just how long talking about my "story" always takes, and if it's okay, I'd like to continue this in a second post. So I guess this is Part 1 of 2? Or the prologue, or something like that.

At this point I've really only provided a few of the reasons why, in a way, it makes no sense for me to be a Christian. But I promise to get to that.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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I guess this is Part 2: Electric Boogaloo.

The earliest cracks began to show up in my last couple years of high school. On a missions trip with my youth group where we were working with an inner-city church; I happened to walk in on some of the adults from both churches talking about 2nd Temple period literature. I had no idea what they were talking about, but I had questions. That led me to start being curious about the history of Christianity. Which led me to some confusing places as I was trying to figure things out for myself; and as they say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. For a few months I had convinced myself I was actually Jewish when I most definitely and obviously am not, for a few more months I rejected the Trinity and got invested in the "Oneness Pentecostal" thing, but that didn't last long either.

What did stick was curiosity, and also an ardent desire to defend my beliefs against the "false Christians" and other various heathenfolk (I say tongue-in-cheek).

It didn't take long to have tiny cracks turn into gigantic shattering revelations of just how ignorant I was of my own religion, and the Bible; but also the first time I seriously began to question what I had been raised to believe.

Significantly when in one such debate on a religious discussion forum that used to be very popular, I was challenged with something simple--to back up what I was saying with a clear biblical defense. Something I was extremely confident about--until I wasn't. Because as it turned out that when I began to actually look at what all the various passages of the Bible I had been told meant X, weren't actually saying X. In fact it seemed like they were saying something else altogether.

That led me to now attempt to make use of my newly acquired skill of looking stuff up, I came to realize that what the Bible did seem to be saying was, in fact--I later discovered--what most Christians have always believed and taken for granted. It just wasn't taught in the brand(s) of Christianity I had been raised with.

A lot of my church friends didn't like the things I was saying. I ended up getting into a number of real life debates with friends.

It occurred to me that maybe I needed to be looking for a new church.

I spent a long time in what I describe as my "wilderness", As I entered my 20's I continued to question, ask questions, and learn a lot. I also was constantly trying to find a church. Made more difficult due to the loss of my mom, and other really huge personal life issues.

I may have been like 21 or 22, but I remember distinctively that it was this very specific discussion on salvation. A topic that I was very convinced about (or thought I was), but also the very specific question and subject that had brought me so much incredible inner turmoil. In the course of that discussion one of the Lutheran posters talked about the Lutheran view. And the way she put it was by telling a story that I have since discovered is very popular among Lutherans (and for good reason). A theology professor at a Lutheran college was basically asked to describe Lutheran theology in the shortest, simplest way. The professor wrote the words "God" at the top, and "Man" at the bottom, and then drew an arrow from God to Man and said, "God always comes down." The follow up to that was a simple explanation of Lutheran soteriology: We are saved entirely by the kindness of God which is free and for all; it isn't about our making a "choice" to accept Jesus. It isn't about getting "more good", it isn't about whether or not someone "really, really, really means it". That doesn't matter because God really really means it in Jesus.

It was such a stupidly wonderful and simple premise: It's not to me, it's up to God. A God who loves everyone. A God who wants everyone. A God whose love is more than big enough to not only include me, but everyone. That the message of the Gospel isn't, "Believe the right things to enter heaven", it isn't "Choose the right religious dogma to avoid hell". The Gospel, in fact, is Good News because it's actually supposed to be good. In fact it's supposed to be good news for sinners. If I'm a sinner, and what I'm hearing isn't actually good news, then how is it the Gospel? That's putting it really simply, but that blew my mind.

That was the moment where I finally felt this sudden weight fall off my shoulders. Like I could actually breathe again.

From that place has caused so many fundamental changes to my entire conception of the Christian religion. It was a massive catalyst in my rapidly changing view of the world. Because with changes in theology comes changes in how I think about politics, how I think about the way we are supposed to relate to one another as people.

And having found, finally, a home, a place where I could hear the Gospel, confess Jesus, and be a Christian without compromising myself.

I don't have to pretend to be holy when I'm not. I don't have to sit here and tell people that I have all the answers, or that if you just try hard enough you too can be like that famous preacherman on television that you'll have your best life now (Registered Trademark). Instead I could just admit to myself and to God that I'm a sinner, and yet, here God still is, loving me still. Loving me not because I've won over His love by being just so darn charming, but just because. Because He wants to.

And that changes how you think. It wasn't my job to convert everyone I meet, it's just my job to be a Christian--to just love people because it's right. But not just because it's right--but because we should want to. We should want to love others, we should want to care about others. I should want to do unto others as I would have them do unto me.

There are just so many rules in religion so often, and most of them aren't even written down anywhere. But these are rules that we have invented to humiliate, shame, and manipulate others, as a means of power absolutely; but also because we are so very terrified that we might be the only sinner. And it's so much easier to just hold other people up to false expectations so that we can feel about ourselves.

What it amounts to isn't religion at all, it's just theater that looks like religion. And then people engage in theater for so long that they don't even know how to make the distinction anymore.

I'm trying to sum this up here rather than try and add additional personal details than I already have. It boils down to this: Does anyone know the bumper sticker that says, "Lord, save me from Your followers"? Well, I guess I'm kind of saying that He did. Is this whole "Christianity" thing about men and the quest for power? Or is it instead about Jesus? Is it about defending some sort of nebulous idea of a "Christian culture"? Or is it about Jesus.

Not some fairy tale Jesus who just tells us who the right people to hate are. But this astoundingly perplexingly strange Jewish carpenter from Nazareth. A Jesus who seems far more comfortable taking His time treating prostitutes and lepers like real human beings than courting affections from Herod or Pontius Pilate. A Jesus who says that God rules not by being at the top, but by being at the bottom: "The Son of Man did not come to be served, but rather to serve.".

When people come to Jesus with their uncertainty and skepticism, He doesn't belittle them. Instead He says, "Come and see." In fact when Jesus does use harsh language, when He does condemn people for their faithlessness, it is always the very, very, very pious and very "religious" people.

Jesus does things differently. Jesus says things differently. It's not that He gives moral commandments that are themselves radical and new. There's nothing innovative in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", the Jewish rabbinical sage Hillel the Elder said almost the exact same thing almost a century earlier. What does set Jesus apart is instead that He intends to turn the world upside down with a revolution that involves dying on a Roman cross. What an absolutely bonkers idea, right? A Jewish carpenter born to a single mother who hung out with prostitutes and the various riffraff, and then got executed by the most powerful empire the world had ever known at the time (because of course, that's what Rome did to controversial people). And this Guy, this Guy that, like tens of thousands before and after, just happens to be different from the rest? Because He stopped being dead.

I mean, that's pretty ridiculous right? Man rises from the dead and yet, when I read that. I believe it.

I don't go around believing in people rising from the dead as a matter of principle.

But in this case, I do. Maybe I am just biased by my upbringing--and while of course that was tremendously influential--I don't think it should be obvious that I'd still be a Christian now.

I don't just believe the things I was told growing up. I'm not longer a Young Earth Creationist, for example. I don't feel particularly compelled to try and defend a literal reading of the story of Noah and the flood. Not because I think the Bible is a fairy tale, far from it; but I am making a point that I don't simply take a "The Bible said it, so I won't think about it" approach. But yet, I very much do believe that this Jesus of Nazareth really did walk out of a rock-hewn tomb. The same body that had hung--lifeless--on a Roman cross. A symbol of just another empire killing and brutally suppressing other people, history being history. And yet, that body stopped being lifeless. That Jewish carpenter, with absolutely nothing noteworthy to say about Him in regard to political power, ambition, or empire-building is, in fact, the most important human being to ever live.

This One, this One's the real deal.

How do I know that? I don't.

How can I demonstrate that? I can't.

How can I convince anyone else? I don't think I can.

And yet, I am absolutely convinced that the same Gospel that gives me faith can make as much a believer out of anyone. There's no magical formula, there's no elegant argument. There's no miracle I could perform (I'm not exactly the miracle-doer type, I can barely put a band-aid on properly). Which is why at the end of the day all I really can say is, "Come and see".

I mean, if I'm wrong I'll either find out that I am, or I won't. But I'm putting my bet that if there is a Higher Power of some kind, then it's like Jesus. Anything less than Jesus just won't suffice for me.

I guess in a way it's like what St. Augustine said, "I have heard many good and lovely things written, but none has ever been so lovely as the words, 'Come to Me all you who are heavily burdened, and I will give you rest.'"

-CryptoLutheran
 
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