Why do YECs believe the universe is only a few thousand years old?

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Can you please stop putting so much value on your own questions and anser just a few of mine? This is relevant. Actually, I don't think you can solve it, or you would have already. You question the validity of others' degrees but flee when the validity of yours is called into question.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Solve what?

I gave you the solution. There is no real or complex number that simultaneously solves the two equations you posted.

What the heck are you babbling about.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

You have spoken truth, but have still not answered the question I gave you.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

What was the question - please repeat it.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Ok

How can you then have a common real solution?

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Who said there was a common real solution - I didn't.


And how were you relating this to the physics questions?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Please answer the question. I do not believe it is overly challenging.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

I answered the question earlier today.

I said there is no common real solution (or complex for that matter.)

Why do you seem to think I have not answered.

x=x^2 solutions 0 or 1.

x=2x+1 solution -1

Put them together and the solution is the null set. i.e. no common solution.

I stated this this morning.

What more are you getting at?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Ah, you tackle the problem in a traditional way. So you agree that currently, no common solution exists?

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Yes - by traditional algebraic methods there is no common solution.

Don't tell me you are going to combine them and pull the x=1 out of your hat?

PS

Why did you carry on pretending I had not answered when if you go back a couple of pages I posted the same thing?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Ok. We have determined that it is sheer lunacy and foolishness to put in any real solution into the equation in hope that one might work. But, we need a real answer.

The only way to get a real answer then is not to change the same side of the equation, but the other. Given this set:

x=2x
x=3x

It is easy to see that the common solution is 0. Changing the solution in the previous set was useless, but when the equations were changed to the current ones, the solution was obvious.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

I really have to go to bed.

Are you implying a connection of the first set of relations to this new set?
What do you mean by "changing the solution in the previous set"?

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

You seem to think that progress is being made in physics. You use the same equation, trying different solutions you assume to be real, followed again and again by the same disappointments and failures. Of course, the hype of plugging new number into an old equation is enough to get most scientists excited.

What I do is the opposite, instead of wasting my time with an infinite set of false solutions, I search for equations that actually work. You assume that my work is lunacy because of its stupifying magnitude. I assume that your work is lunacy because the sheer stupidity in trying to solve an impossible set.

 

[Captain_Jack_Sparrow]

Ah -so this is where you were going.

Talk about a simplistic and misleading analogy.

Your point is really unfounded. Physics isn't about plugging new numbers into the same old equations. Where do you get this idea?

Your initial assumption is that for some reason you think everything is currently a problem.

You are looking for solutions to things that already have a working solution and in so doing are formulating gibberish.

It's no good coming up with an equation that is meaningless (or just plain wrong) to solve a problem where the current approach is working. This isn't progress it's a waste of time.

All in all this analogy of yours is just bizarre. I think you are seeing errors where none exist. For instance - giving the photon a finite mass causes a heck of a lot more problems in physics than it could ever solve.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Physics does for the most part work. However, it cannot yet solve a lot of problems. And, as science progresses further, even more exceptions (contradictions) are becoming appearant. Physics is plugging new numbers in the the same equation, have you noticed that the same basic model has been used for so long and that many scientists will get downright ugly when asked to accept a new model? Finding a model that mostly works is insufficient. True science is finding out the complete answer.

 

[Curt]

Worldly science can't handle true science. They have to admit they are wrong, and after all look at how educated they are, so they can't be wrong don't you know. I love what one person I met who used to be an evolutionist, and saw the light. He jokingly said about evolution that's the first mistake I ever made.

 

[G_Spot_Tornado]

Right, I believe in court that's called hearsay and is inadmissable. What is this 'true science' - that's not some euphemism for creationist nonsense by any chance? Why is it that all the 'true science' people in your eyes are incapable of working for a living in the scientific community? I'll hazard a guess you'll say atheist conspiracy.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I also was an evolutionist at one point, when the facts din't line up, I became creationist. And G_Spot_Tornado, creationism isn't nonsense, its the view not only accepted by Genesis, but also by the first century church.

 

[G_Spot_Tornado]

Genesis is a book, I don't think it has the capability to accept anything. The first century church was comprised of people who thought migraines were demonic posession, the Sun orbited the Earth and there was a Noachian flood. Given that, I wouldn't trust their scientific skills with regards to a theory of Creation.

 

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

They did not think sickness was brought about by demons. Look at the NT, the disciples were told to drive our demons but cure sickness. And yes, the believed in the flood as well. I didn't know they thought the earth orbited the sun, smart people. Seems they were fairly well grounded, and grounded more in the truths of Genesis than you or me.