Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

[Loudmouth]

It is not contradicted at all. You are imposing your own belief on it.

How did you determine that it is not contradicted? What beliefs am I imposing?

 

[Loudmouth]

Apparently because they begin with the same incorrect assumptions about the world.

How did you determine that they are incorrect?

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you mean the kind of evidence in which you place your faith?

No, I mean evidence found in the real world around us. You have heard of reality, haven't you?

 

[BrianJK]

But saying that God is not in control of Nature is calling Him a liar, asmuch as you try to hide the fact that that is what you are doing.



In Joshua 10 we are told that the sun and the moon stood still in their paths for about a whole day, so that the Israelites could complete the battle. That day the evening and morning lasted about 48 hours instead of 24. if God changed the length of that day, how can you be fairly assured that He will not change the length of the day tomorrow?

Yes He could always perform a miracle and stop time again, but He won't without a reason for a miracle, so we can confidently make our plans for a 24 hour day tomorrow. That is exactly the level of confidence and the reason for the confidence that we have in the consistancy of any of the laws of nature.

God created nature and can control it, but He does not control people's interpretations of nature.

Joshua 10 has very detailed acounting of how God intervened in that day. There is no indication that Genesis has anything of the sort going on.

 

[bhsmte]

Do you mean the kind of evidence in which you place your faith?

Evidence, just plain evidence.

Let's say you were trying to convince someone that a history book you wrote about WWII was accurate. Would you expect people to just take your word for it? How would you go about showing the history book you wrote was accurate?

 

[BrianJK]

Your statement that the bible is 100% true, is not something shared by the vast majority of christians, much less non-believers.

Why do you think that is?

You want me to answer why non-believers think the Bible is not true? Really?

As for your statement about the vast-majority of Christians, I can't attest to other people's faith and how they think they can say Jesus literally came and died and rose again the way the Bible says He did but God didn't literally create the universe the way God says He did. That's up to them to work that out with God.

 

[Loudmouth]

God created nature and can control it, but He does not control people's interpretations of nature.

So no matter what the facts are, you will never accept anything as evidence for an old Earth, correct? Your mind is closed on the subject?

 

[BrianJK]

How did you determine that it is not contradicted? What beliefs am I imposing?

Your interpretation of science, your interpretation of how nature works. You think if the Bible and your interpretation of how nature works don't agree, then the Bible is wrong. I believe if there is a disagreement, the Bible is always right.

 

[BrianJK]

So no matter what the facts are, you will never accept anything as evidence for an old Earth, correct? Your mind is closed on the subject?

If you show me using Biblical proof, I would consider it. If you say the Bible is wrong because you think nature does something different, I'd have a much harder time with that one.

 

[bhsmte]

You want me to answer why non-believers think the Bible is not true? Really?

As for your statement about the vast-majority of Christians, I can't attest to other people's faith and how they think they can say Jesus literally came and died and rose again the way the Bible says He did but God didn't literally create the universe the way God says He did. That's up to them to work that out with God.

No, I want to explain why your belief that the bible is a history book and is 100% accurate is such a minority position.

Do you always believe everything you read in a book written my man as being 100% true, no matter what the claim is?

I assume you don't feel other holy books are 100% accurate, even though people of other faith feel as strongly about it as you do yours. Why is it you don't feel other holy books would not be 100% true as well? Be specific as to your reasoning.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why is it you don't feel other holy books would not be 100% true as well? Be specific as to your reasoning.

Because they contradict each other.

 

[BrianJK]

No, I want to explain why your belief that the bible is a history book and is 100% accurate is such a minority position.

Do you always believe everything you read in a book written my man as being 100% true, no matter what the claim is?

I assume you don't feel other holy books are 100% accurate, even though people of other faith feel as strongly about it as you do yours. Why is it you don't feel other holy books would not be 100% true as well? Be specific as to your reasoning.

I do not believe the Bible was written by men in the same sense that other books are. Men may have held the pens, but God inspired each word.

 

[Loudmouth]

I do not believe the Bible was written by men in the same sense that other books are. Men may have held the pens, but God inspired each word.

People say the very same thing about other religious texts. What makes the Bible any different?

 

[AV1611VET]

I do not believe the Bible was written by men in the same sense that other books are. Men may have held the pens, but God inspired each word.

Indeed ... and as Paul put it ...

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Notice, it's how we receive It that Paul is emphasizing; not how It was conveyed.

 

[AV1611VET]

People say the very same thing about other religious texts. What makes the Bible any different?

It contradicts their texts.

(Different fonts too, I think.)

 

[TLK Valentine]

Insults now?

No insult at all -- you worship the Bible as the Word, as opposed to the word, of God. Textbook idolatry.

If you hold what scientists call evidence over God's Word, that is on you.

Did it again -- Jesus is the Word -- the Logos, if you prefer. The Bible is a book.

I worship God and believe what He says.

And very little of what He's done, it would appear.

If you find worshipping God to be idolatry, I think you're confused as to what that means.

I'm not the one who's confused -- I've been correcting Christians' misunderstanding of their own theology for quite some time now... perhaps I should print up a FAQ?

 

[BrianJK]

No insult at all -- you worship the Bible as the Word, as opposed to the word, of God. Textbook idolatry.




Did it again -- Jesus is the Word -- the Logos, if you prefer. The Bible is a book.



And very little of what He's done, it would appear.



I'm not the one who's confused -- I've been correcting Christians' misunderstanding of their own theology for quite some time now... perhaps I should print up a FAQ?

You must be reading a different textbook. I tend not to take religious advice from someone who denies God and refuses to discuss anything because they think they're right about someone else's faith.

When you don't want to immediately dismiss my beliefs as not conforming to an unbeliever's understanding of faith, then I will be willing to discuss it further with you.

 

[Loudmouth]

You must be reading a different textbook. I tend not to take religious advice from someone who denies God and refuses to discuss anything because they think they're right about someone else's faith.

You deny Vishnu and think you are right about the Hindu faith. How are you any different?

 

[BrianJK]

You deny Vishnu and think you are right about the Hindu faith. How are you any different?

The Bible tells me so.

You accept scientific evidence as truth by faith.
I accept the Bible as truth by faith.

 

[Loudmouth]

The Bible tells me so.

The Vedas tells you that Vishnu is real. Why do you reject it?

You accept scientific evidence as truth by faith.

I accept it as evidence because they are real facts. Do you really think that the world around us is just an illusion?

I accept the Bible as truth by faith.

Why don't you accept the Vedas as truth by faith? Why do you continue to reject Vishnu?