Why do YE Creationists insist on a simplistic literal reading of the bible?

[OllieFranz]

Your faith then is in a rate of decay (or whatever is used in the dating system in question) that is constant and always predictable.

Do you believe that the length of the day tomorrow will be 24hours? Isn't that "faith...in a rate...that is constant and always predictable"?

Even though the Bible gives examples of days that were not normal 24 hour days?

Isaac Newton and other early scientists were Christians who studied the laws of nature (including their predictability) because they believed God was a God of order, not chaos.

When you say you don't accept the instruments of science because they give the "wrong" answer, you are calling God, He Who ordained the laws of the nature that these instruments measure consistently, a liar. Either He lies in the reliability of the laws, or He lies in the properties of the measuring devices. Or you are insisting on reading into the Bible "science lessons" that neither God nor the men he inspired ever put there.

 

[OllieFranz]

If you personally require His very hand for the Bible to be true, that is only you. He inspired every word.

That does not answer my question.

Why do you believe that every word is "100% [literally] true"?​

The Bible does not make that claim, so the claim must come from one of three other sources. Either God spoke to you directly, you heard it from fallible men, or you made it up on your own. I assumed that you did not make it up, so I only gave the other two alternatives, but perhaps I was too hasty in assessing your sincerity.

 

[Loudmouth]

Only factual based on your faith

No, factual based in reality.

 

[Loudmouth]

This is only true if you accept your "hundreds of thousands of years" theory.

Again, the facts support it.

Your belief is all faith. You just don't want to see it.

Please explain how the measurement of decay rates is based on faith. Do you think scientists just made it up?

 

[BrianJK]

If something is wrong with the way we measure decay rates, then why do methods of dating that don't use decay rates return the same results? How does that make any sense?

If you asked a bunch of people with no expertise to come up with separate ways of measuring weight, you would expect them to all mess it up, sure - but you wouldn't expect them to mess it up in such a way that they all get the same wrong answer. That's improbable.

Do you calibrate the other measures the same way?

Weight can be calibrated from the smallest to incredibly large. Time can only be calibrated as far back as you are 100% sure of a control object's age.

 

[BrianJK]

It certainly is common practice nowadays for creationists to denigrate the word "faith" like this. You are all so very desperate to gain somekind of parity with science, even though faith and science are like apples and oranges. Look how you use the word "faith" almost like an insult. Its an accusation... "Your belief is faith!... take that evo!" Then you guys always claim we have as much faith, if not more (I believe you said it was the same) than you guys do. Wow. I guess your faith is pretty weak, then... isn't it? Afterall, I will gladly give up both common descent and deep time if they are ever falsified by the physical evidence... so my "faith" isn't very strong. Is that why you come here to test your faith against non-believers? Because it is so shaky?

Your faith is not in the results but in what you consider evidence.

I came here because a question was asked in the op. I came to answer it.

 

[BrianJK]

Do you believe that the length of the day tomorrow will be 24hours? Isn't that "faith...in a rate...that is constant and always predictable"?

Even though the Bible gives examples of days that were not normal 24 hour days?

Isaac Newton and other early scientists were Christians who studied the laws of nature (including their predictability) because they believed God was a God of order, not chaos.

When you say you don't accept the instruments of science because they give the "wrong" answer, you are calling God, He Who ordained the laws of the nature that these instruments measure consistently, a liar. Either He lies in the reliability of the laws, or He lies in the properties of the measuring devices. Or you are insisting on reading into the Bible "science lessons" that neither God nor the men he inspired ever put there.

God did not write the laws of nature as you see them, but He did inspire every word of Scripture. Believing the Bible is not calling God a liar, as much as you seem to want it to be.

The Bible does not say "morning and night" for a day longer than a day.

 

[BrianJK]

That does not answer my question.
Why do you believe that every word is "100% [literally] true"?
The Bible does not make that claim, so the claim must come from one of three other sources. Either God spoke to you directly, you heard it from fallible men, or you made it up on your own. I assumed that you did not make it up, so I only gave the other two alternatives, but perhaps I was too hasty in assessing your sincerity.

Do you believe anything the Bible says? If so, why?

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you calibrate the other measures the same way?

All instruments and methodologies are calibrated in different ways and different controls are used.

Weight can be calibrated from the smallest to incredibly large. Time can only be calibrated as far back as you are 100% sure of a control object's age.

The accuracy of a dating method has much more to do with the sensitivity of the instrument used to measure the amount of isotopes in a sample. For isotopes with long half lives you need an ample amount of time to produce detectable levels of daughter product as in the case of K/Ar dating. For Carbon-14 dating you have the opposite problem where you are measuring the disappearance of a short lived isotope, so it has an upper age limit.

 

[Loudmouth]

Do you believe anything the Bible says? If so, why?

Do you have any evidence demonstrating that what the Bible claims is true?

 

[lasthero]

Weight can be calibrated from the smallest to incredibly large. Time can only be calibrated as far back as you are 100% sure of a control object's age.

You're avoiding the question.

Why do dating techniques that rely on different methods produce the same wrong results? It's one thing for them to be wrong, it's quite another for the to be wrong and just so happy to all get the same wrong answer, repeatedly. A flaw in radiometric dating wouldn't make varve dating or ice core dating or dendochronolgy mess up, nor vice versa. So why do these different techniques match each other?

 

[Loudmouth]

You're avoiding the question.

Why do dating techniques that rely on different methods produce the same wrong results? It's one thing for them to be wrong, it's quite another for the to be wrong and just so happy to all get the same wrong answer, repeatedly. A flaw in radiometric dating wouldn't make varve dating or ice core dating or dendochronolgy mess up, nor vice versa. So why do these different techniques match each other?

Why would the U/Pb methodology match the age given by the K/Ar date that again matches the Rb/Sr date for the same rock? Why would multiple isotope systems that decay through different processes all give the same date?

 

[Loudmouth]

God did not write the laws of nature as you see them,

Based on what evidence?

but He did inspire every word of Scripture.

Then why is it contradicted by the Creation itself?

 

[OllieFranz]

God did not write the laws of nature as you see them, but He did inspire every word of Scripture. Believing the Bible is not calling God a liar, as much as you seem to want it to be.

But saying that God is not in control of Nature is calling Him a liar, asmuch as you try to hide the fact that that is what you are doing.

The Bible does not say "morning and night" for a day longer than a day.

In Joshua 10 we are told that the sun and the moon stood still in their paths for about a whole day, so that the Israelites could complete the battle. That day the evening and morning lasted about 48 hours instead of 24. if God changed the length of that day, how can you be fairly assured that He will not change the length of the day tomorrow?

Yes He could always perform a miracle and stop time again, but He won't without a reason for a miracle, so we can confidently make our plans for a 24 hour day tomorrow. That is exactly the level of confidence and the reason for the confidence that we have in the consistancy of any of the laws of nature.

 

[OllieFranz]

Do you believe anything the Bible says? If so, why?

Yes, I believe. I believe in Jesus, and because He believed in the theological and moralistic teachings of the Bible (The Law and The Prophets), I believe in those teachings as well. I believe that the Bible is authoritative in those areas in which it claims authority. But it does not claim authority in the areas in which you claim it contradicts science.

And it specifically allows for different Christians to interpret it differently. See Romans, chapter 14.

 

[bhsmte]

If you personally require His very hand for the Bible to be true, that is only you. He inspired every word.

Your statement that the bible is 100% true, is not something shared by the vast majority of christians, much less non-believers.

Why do you think that is?

 

[BrianJK]

All instruments and methodologies are calibrated in different ways and different controls are used.



The accuracy of a dating method has much more to do with the sensitivity of the instrument used to measure the amount of isotopes in a sample. For isotopes with long half lives you need an ample amount of time to produce detectable levels of daughter product as in the case of K/Ar dating. For Carbon-14 dating you have the opposite problem where you are measuring the disappearance of a short lived isotope, so it has an upper age limit.

Again, this assumes you know for sure something you are measuring as a control is hundreds of thousands of years old or what not. How do you know that? By the very measures you are calibrating?

 

[BrianJK]

Do you have any evidence demonstrating that what the Bible claims is true?

Do you mean the kind of evidence in which you place your faith?

 

[BrianJK]

You're avoiding the question.

Why do dating techniques that rely on different methods produce the same wrong results? It's one thing for them to be wrong, it's quite another for the to be wrong and just so happy to all get the same wrong answer, repeatedly. A flaw in radiometric dating wouldn't make varve dating or ice core dating or dendochronolgy mess up, nor vice versa. So why do these different techniques match each other?

Apparently because they begin with the same incorrect assumptions about the world.

 

[BrianJK]

Based on what evidence?



Then why is it contradicted by the Creation itself?

It is not contradicted at all. You are imposing your own belief on it.