Sure, what matters is whether we have found and fulfilled the Way He has made.
That is not any other way that man has conjured up
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Did you miss the point entirely? No one is against works. Everyone believes that performing works of love is Christ-like and what a disciple ought to do. Whether or not this earns you salvation is the question.
I found, I fulfilled,... I saved. Yeah me.
And any honest sheep will eventually come to the conclusion that we don't always do sheep works, and when we don't we are doing goat works.
Jesus is very specific about what separates the sheep from the goats. You can read it yourself if you don't understand in Matt 25.
To be a goat is very undesirable, we must be one of His little sheep of His fold,
Mt 25:31 ¶ When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mt 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mt 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
In order to avoid being a goat one must continually and only do sheep works. Anyone who sez that is all they do are probably lying.
IN any case they are two separate animals, goats and sheep. No one is turned from being a goat to a sheep or vice versa.
The real test involved in the parable however is honesty.
If anyone reads the parable and 'exempts themselves' from doing goatworks, they are in fact DECEIVED already. Not to mention dishonest.
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There is no free pass into Heaven for any continuing in sin and He will make none an android, a robot, He has made us all free to chose Heaven or eternal death.
While I do not think the term 'free pass' is fair or accurate, I certainly do believe that the Bible is correct in teaching that we are forgiven of our sins through Faith.There is no free pass into Heaven for any continuing in sin
I don't know anyone who has said that he did or that we are such, so that's just a straw man argument.He will make none an android, a robot
He has made it possible for us to choose, but the issue concerns what happens next. Do you feel that God is faithless enough to let Satan have those who converted through His gift of Grace? I cannot say "yes" to that, no matter how I look at this matter.He has made us all free to chose Heaven or eternal death.
The continuing claim from you appears to be that you are (and have been since you supposedly were saved) SINLESS.
Most sane believers here would consider such a claim a blatant lie.
So, start with honesty and we'll see where it goes from there.
Have you been sinless since the day you (performed whatever exercise you performed to be born again)
Do you actually think Jesus would tell anyone to go and do something He hasn't enabled us to do? Check these,
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Folks, we just need to pick up on His enabling and that is Christ in you, the HOPE of Glory!
Do you actually think Jesus would tell anyone to go and do something He hasn't enabled us to do? Check these,
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Joh 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
Folks, we just need to pick up on His enabling and that is Christ in you, the HOPE of Glory!
While I do not think the term 'free pass' is fair or accurate, I certainly do believe that the Bible is correct in teaching that we are forgiven of our sins through Faith.
I don't know anyone who has said that he did or that we are such, so that's just a straw man argument.
He has made it possible for us to choose, but the issue concerns what happens next. Do you feel that God is faithless enough to let Satan have those who converted through His gift of Grace? I cannot say "yes" to that, no matter how I look at this matter.
Why do some denominations, such as the Church of God, not believe in Once Saved Always Saved, even though the Bible clearly outlines that salvation is eternal? That is, salvation is by grace through faith and it is something that cannot be taken from you.
While I believe that grace covers such Christians and that they are genuinely saved for putting their faith in the Lord, Jesus Christ, it must be somewhat troublesome to think that backsliding will result in you becoming detached from the Lord. It seems like it would hinder someone's growth in the Lord rather than promote obedience.
The thing is that God chooses us and we respond. He doesn't let go of us once we're a Child of God.
Sometimes it seems like such denominations haven't viewed the Bible in its entire scope, interpreting. What is your take on this subject?
I don't think this "android" comparison is helpful. When we respond to God's grace, I suppose we could say that we're being drawn against our will, but I don't think that's an accurate way of putting it. Still, it's what happens thereafter ("OSAS") that's the topic of this thread, I believe.That is right, we are not made to comply, we must choose it from the heart! Never will He make us an android!
Do I understand you correctly to say that we must decide whether or not to accept God's grace? If so, I can't agree. How could a sin-dimmed, damaged, confused, being like the human make such a decision? It sounds so simple to say, but when you think about it a little, it would be like a primitive tribesman comprehending a radio and making a good judgment about it, having never seen or heard of one.No we cannot of ourselves do anything, we must have Christ dwelling within and that takes a full and complete surrender, nothing withheld and most will not come to be fully broken upon Him.
I don't think this "android" comparison is helpful. When we respond to God's grace, I suppose we could say that we're being drawn against our will, but I don't think that's an accurate way of putting it. Still, it's what happens thereafter ("OSAS") that's the topic of this thread, I believe.
Do I understand you correctly to say that we must decide whether or not to accept God's grace? If so, I can't agree. How could a sin-dimmed, damaged, confused, being like the human make such a decision? It sounds so simple to say, but when you think about it a little, it would be like a primitive tribesman comprehending a radio and making a good judgment about it, having never seen or heard of one.
Are we? Or are we incapable of determining that on our own?It remains a truth that we are deciding our destiny in the here and now.
The saved will, of course, choose life and goodness, but that doesn't owe to their own abilities or judgment, nor does such activity determine their eternal destiny. It is already determined when we engage in a Christ-like lifestyle.Will we choose life or will we choose death. It is not of obedience of works alone that will suffice, it is love that works by faith that alone can.
Are we? Or are we incapable of determining that on our own?
The saved will, of course, choose life and goodness, but that doesn't owe to their own abilities or judgment, nor does such activity determine their eternal destiny. It is already determined when we engage in a Christ-like lifestyle.
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