Why do some consider homosexuality as immoral?

[Archaeopteryx]

Why do some individuals consider homosexuality as immoral?
Please don't just say, 'Cos it is.' Provide logical reasoning, Scripture and theological and natural points to indicate why homosexuality is or is not immoral.

 

[Ohioprof]

Why do some individuals consider homosexuality as immoral?
Please don't just say, 'Cos it is.' Provide logical reasoning, Scripture and theological and natural points to indicate why homosexuality is or is not immoral.

Since I do not regard homosexuality as immoral, I can't answer the question as you have phrased it. I regard my being gay as a gift from God, something to celebrate, just as I celebrate being a woman and being a mother. It's part of who I am.

 

[texastig]

Why do some individuals consider homosexuality as immoral?

Imho because of the Bible. Morals come from God.
Because of the Bible we are not to have sex with the same sex. One of the things that we were created for is to procreate and the only setting for that is man and woman. A man and man cannot procreate. A woman and a woman cannot procreate.
It takes a man and a woman to procreate.
It gets even worse between men having sex. It is very dirty and not healthy.
Thanks,
TT

 

[Ohioprof]

Imho because of the Bible. Morals come from God.
Because of the Bible we are not to have sex with the same sex. One of the things that we were created for is to procreate and the only setting for that is man and woman. A man and man cannot procreate. A woman and a woman cannot procreate.
It takes a man and a woman to procreate.
It gets even worse between men having sex. It is very dirty and not healthy.
Thanks,
TT

Same-sex relationships are definitely healthy for gay people. They are probably not healthy if you aren't gay, which it sounds like you are not.

The Bible does not condemn same-sex relationships, and it certainly does not condemn same-sex marriage. The Bible condemns lusts and vile affections, and that is not what a loving same-sex marriage involves.

 

[texastig]

Same-sex relationships are definitely healthy for gay people. They are probably not healthy if you aren't gay, which it sounds like you are not.

The Bible does not condemn same-sex relationships, and it certainly does not condemn same-sex marriage. The Bible condemns lusts and vile affections, and that is not what a loving same-sex marriage involves.

Ohio, I thought being a homosexual includes having homosexual sex.
That is different than attraction. Somebody could have attraction but never do homosexual acts.

The Old Testament condemns it. Jesus told us that the man is to leave the father and mother and marry his wife, which he was quoting from Genesis but not everyone has to get married. The Bible also says in Genesis that the womans desire will be toward her husband.
Thanks,
TT

 

[anonymous1515]

Here is my question, and it may sound simplistic, because I don't know a whole lot of specific scripture.

Anyways, when Jesus received his revelation from God, and revealed to the World that he was a divine prophet, didn't that nullify alot of the traditions that were carried onwards from the last prophet (i.e. Moses)?

For example, a big part of the old testament is animal sacrifice. However, the coming of Jesus rendered that tradition obsolete. The same can be said of Moses. When he returned from the mountain with the 10 commandments, he was angry at the townspeople for worshipping the idols of the previous prophet (i.e. for following old traditions).

How do we decide which of the teachings of the Old Testament are obsolete, and which are not? Similarly, how do we know that the Old Testament's ban on homosexuality was not rendered obsolete? The bible never quotes Jesus as DIRECTLY saying that homosexuality is a sin.

texastig, if I said to you, "hunters kill deer," does that mean that hunters ONLY kill deer? Or does it mean that hunters kill deer, along with rabbits, ducks, pheasants, and moose? How do you know that when Jesus said "a woman's desire is for her husband" he meant that ALL women should desire a husband?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Here is my question, and it may sound simplistic, because I don't know a whole lot of specific scripture.

Anyways, when Jesus received his revelation from God, and revealed to the World that he was a divine prophet, didn't that nullify alot of the traditions that were carried onwards from the last prophet (i.e. Moses)?

For example, a big part of the old testament is animal sacrifice. However, the coming of Jesus rendered that tradition obsolete. The same can be said of Moses. When he returned from the mountain with the 10 commandments, he was angry at the townspeople for worshipping the idols of the previous prophet (i.e. for following old traditions).

How do we decide which of the teachings of the Old Testament are obsolete, and which are not? Similarly, how do we know that the Old Testament's ban on homosexuality was not rendered obsolete? The bible never quotes Jesus as DIRECTLY saying that homosexuality is a sin.

texastig, if I said to you, "hunters kill deer," does that mean that hunters ONLY kill deer? Or does it mean that hunters kill deer, along with rabbits, ducks, pheasants, and moose? How do you know that when Jesus said "a woman's desire is for her husband" he meant that ALL women should desire a husband?

With regard to a woman's desire for a husband quote, I agree that it could probably not be generalized so vastly, but then again, that's just my opinion. I also find curious the topic that you've gotten into about certain rituals and traditions being rendered obsolete. Let's explore that further... I do wish though that it were easier to discern which particular traditions are considered obsolete.

 

[Ohioprof]

Ohio, I thought being a homosexual includes having homosexual sex.
That is different than attraction. Somebody could have attraction but never do homosexual acts.

The Old Testament condemns it. Jesus told us that the man is to leave the father and mother and marry his wife, which he was quoting from Genesis but not everyone has to get married. The Bible also says in Genesis that the womans desire will be toward her husband.
Thanks,
TT

No, being gay does not necessarily mean having sex. I am gay, and I do not have sex. A person can be gay and never have sex in their whole life.

Being gay, in my understanding, means that a person is attracted to people of the same sex, deeply emotionally as well as sexually. If I were to marry, which I do not plan to do anytime soon, I would marry another woman.

My understanding of the Bible is that it never condemns being gay or expressing same-sex love within marriage. Indeed, the Bible never mentions same-sex marriage, nor does it mention gay people. That's not condemnation. It's just silence. Some claim that the Bible condemns gay people and same-sex marriage because of a few ambiguous passages regarding sexuality, which are not even clearly or necessarily about gay people. These passages are certainly not about same-sex marriage. People leap to interpretations that condemn all gay people and our marriages, when nothing like that is in the Bible.

 

[Ohioprof]

Here is my question, and it may sound simplistic, because I don't know a whole lot of specific scripture.

Anyways, when Jesus received his revelation from God, and revealed to the World that he was a divine prophet, didn't that nullify alot of the traditions that were carried onwards from the last prophet (i.e. Moses)?

For example, a big part of the old testament is animal sacrifice. However, the coming of Jesus rendered that tradition obsolete. The same can be said of Moses. When he returned from the mountain with the 10 commandments, he was angry at the townspeople for worshipping the idols of the previous prophet (i.e. for following old traditions).

How do we decide which of the teachings of the Old Testament are obsolete, and which are not? Similarly, how do we know that the Old Testament's ban on homosexuality was not rendered obsolete? The bible never quotes Jesus as DIRECTLY saying that homosexuality is a sin.

texastig, if I said to you, "hunters kill deer," does that mean that hunters ONLY kill deer? Or does it mean that hunters kill deer, along with rabbits, ducks, pheasants, and moose? How do you know that when Jesus said "a woman's desire is for her husband" he meant that ALL women should desire a husband?

There is no Old Testament ban on "homosexuality" anyway. That's just one interpretation, and I think it's an erroneous one.

You are right that Jesus never calls homosexuality a sin, nor does he condemn gay people or same-sex marriage. He doesn't even condemn them indirectly. He never mentions them. Jesus is silent on these topics. To interpret the silence of Jesus, and the silence of the Bible, as condemnation is an erroneous and harmful interpretation, in my view. It's harmful because this erroneous interpretation of the Bible condemns those of us who are gay for being the way God made us, which is gay. And it's wrong for Christians to point fingers at gay people and to claim that our love is a sin. It's just wrong.

 

[artybloke]

Morals come from God.

The desire to live according to the principle of love comes from God.

Morals are just human ways to avoid having to love people who do things different from you.

 

[SpiritDriven]

When Paul spoke about those who where given over to the disqualified mind, to do that which is not befitting....he was not talking about gay people.

He was talking about the false teachers....who teach that you make yourself right with God, via what the Flesh does.

They are totaly against that we are saved by Grace through faith, and not of ourselves.