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Why do some Christians sin?

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Serious question... I've never understood this...

Some people profess belief in the Christian God but recognize they don't know for sure. That's cool. Other's profess belief as some doubtless faith. So for those that have doubtless faith in christianity why do you sin? I know if I had doubtless faith in this god I would shelter the homeless, nurse the sick and do whatever I could to make this life better for others. I would impoverish myself to the bare neccessities of life because ultimately the material comforts of this world fail in comparison to my eternal reward. Don't get me wrong, I would still mess up here and there, but I would easily qualify for sainthood at the end of my life. So with doubtless faith, why do you sin? Why not do everything you can to stay in his good graces? Is it because you think you can get by with less? Or is it justified by the belief that you were meant to live a comfortable quasi charitable life?
 

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I understand the blah-blah about how we're all sinners. I think his point was (and correct me if I'm wrong) why don't you do as much as you possibly can for others and be as pious and good as you possibly can at all times? I recognize that you think even Mother Theresa was a sinner. But is the reason you aren't all acting like Mother Theresa because you think you can get into heaven with less? Keep in mind that I'm not claiming you have to be as good as Mother Theresa to get into heaven; I don't even think heaven exists.
 
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I made a goal to help out my fellow men for a week. I couldn't last 2 days. It just got so boring. That's not to say that doing something for someone is boring. I guess I'm just too selfish. I suppose I like to sin.:thumbsup: But I'm of the opinion that I have to work to get to heaven. I can't not work for something of worth. Anything that comes easy, aint worth it.
 
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Some people just like following the commandments that are easy to follow, and ignore the ones they feel uncomfortable with, or try and rationalize it ("God doesn't REALLY want me to devote all my time, money, and energy to helping others, he would have told me so. What he REALLY meant is that we should be READY to give it all up, blah blah blah...")

I think someone's signature on this board summed it up quite nicely: "It's amazing how well god's plan for people seems to fit so well with what they want for themselves". Or something to that effect.
 
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levi501 said:
Serious question... I've never understood this...

Some people profess belief in the Christian God but recognize they don't know for sure. That's cool.
Yes, I get that you think it's cool that they don't know for sure, because that means that they are closer to agreeing with you.

Other's profess belief as some doubtless faith. So for those that have doubtless faith in christianity why do you sin?
Your question suggests that you do not have an understanding of what Christianity is, or what it means to be a Christian. Why do Christians sin? Because we're human and we have a sin nature, just like you do. Surely you don't think that accepting Jesus as my Savior means that I am no longer tempted to sin. If anything, the temptations are greater, as our faith grows to the point that we know how to flea from temptation. All humans sin.

I know if I had doubtless faith in this god I would shelter the homeless, nurse the sick and do whatever I could to make this life better for others.
Why do you have to have faith in God for you to care for the sick and the homeless? Are you saying that only those who believe in God can do these things?
I do understand that we are called to care for those in need. It's important that we do. But I wonder, do you believe that because you're not a Christian, you don't have to care for the homeless or the sick? What do you and your family do to help people in need?

Many of us do. Christians and non-Christians. It's impossible to do it all though. We do what God leads us to do, (or we should). If we see somebody who is hurting (maybe his wife left him, and he has 3 children to provide for).. we should do our best to #1 offer comfort to he and his family and #2 provide in ways that meet their immediate needs. Perhaps offer to babysit his children after school hours, or teach the older ones how to cook, so that they can make dinner before daddy gets home. Maybe we could bring over a casserole, or offer to help out with grocery shopping (he can provide the list and the money), and if they have no $$, then perhaps we can help them get to a food bank once a week, or help out when we can. If we see that homeless men and women are living on our streets, we can give to the shelters that care for them. We can donate to food banks that provide food to the needy. We can volunteer for the food banks, handing out food... or the soup kitchens. We can offer to drive elderly neighbors to doctor's appointments, to church, to visit their elderly husband/wife in the nursing home, etc. There are many things we can do, and it is entirely possible that many of us do. I wouldn't reveal all of the things I do to help others on here, as I am not looking for a reward. I'm sure that most others feel the same.

Yes indeed you will meet people who say they are Christians, but who do not give to the needy, who do not show compassion for the poor, the brokenhearted, the abandoned, etc. God's word says that others will know us by our fruit. God will deal with those who claim Christianity, but do nothing to help "the least of these", as the bible tells us to do.


I would impoverish myself to the bare neccessities of life because ultimately the material comforts of this world fail in comparison to my eternal reward.
Christians don't have to be homeless of without property to be Christians. Many of us have families, and we need to provide for them. There are many single Christians or married Christians, without children who work as missionaries,and they have indeed given away everything that they own.

But let me ask you: is there anything you believe in? put faith in? What about freedom? Free Speech? Freedom of the press? etc. What about the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Would you give up everything you had for something you strongly believed in? Soldiers in the military do that for us. Would you? Could you? Just curious. Not accusing.

Don't get me wrong, I would still mess up here and there, but I would easily qualify for sainthood at the end of my life. So with doubtless faith, why do you sin? Why not do everything you can to stay in his good graces? Is it because you think you can get by with less? Or is it justified by the belief that you were meant to live a comfortable quasi charitable life?

If we were capable of being sinless, we'd have done it without the need for God's saving grace, through Jesus shed blood. We can't. You can't. I can't. None of us can. We cannot stop sinning, but what we can do is repent, which means to not have the desire to be sinful. To repent means that you recognize your sins, you ask for forgiveness for them and you mean it with your whole being. Then you turn away from those things that cause you to sin, but knowing, that there will still be times when you do sin. I ask forgiveness for my sins every day, and if I don't recall sinning that day, I still ask forgiveness for some that I may not know that I did.
 
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psychedelicist said:
Some people just like following the commandments that are easy to follow, and ignore the ones they feel uncomfortable with, or try and rationalize it ("God doesn't REALLY want me to devote all my time, money, and energy to helping others, he would have told me so. What he REALLY meant is that we should be READY to give it all up, blah blah blah...")

Again, should it really take a belief in God to make one care for others? Why don't atheists do more to help others? When Hurricane Katrina occurred, there were many Christian organizations there, gathering up folks, driving them to other states, sheltering them, feeding them, clothing them, building them homes, etc. Why were there no atheist run organizations down there doing the same?
 
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levi501 said:
Serious question... I've never understood this...

Some people profess belief in the Christian God but recognize they don't know for sure. That's cool. Other's profess belief as some doubtless faith. So for those that have doubtless faith in christianity why do you sin? I know if I had doubtless faith in this god I would shelter the homeless, nurse the sick and do whatever I could to make this life better for others. I would impoverish myself to the bare neccessities of life because ultimately the material comforts of this world fail in comparison to my eternal reward. Don't get me wrong, I would still mess up here and there, but I would easily qualify for sainthood at the end of my life. So with doubtless faith, why do you sin? Why not do everything you can to stay in his good graces? Is it because you think you can get by with less? Or is it justified by the belief that you were meant to live a comfortable quasi charitable life?
basically it isnt as simple as that, no matter how much you think it should be.

part of being a christian is being changed, and reconciled with god. we learn to be better people, to grow and change, and to work with other people in a better way. to grow to understand others and to love them.

god doesnt want us to serve him out of fear, he wants to change us to be like him and go and server the world in his name.

it takes time!
 
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All I've gotten from this thread, is more useless "were all sinners" garbage.

Well since no one is serious about addressing the OP... I'll state my opinion.
Many Christians or most are actually agnostic in their hearts. Meaning they profess belief in his name with their mouths but deep down they have seriously doubt. They won't acknowledge this doubt or speak of it but it shows in their actions. With doubtless belief in a God you would go to great lengths to be as charitable as jesus was when he lived. Most don't because just in case there isn't a god they'd like to enjoy what lives they have. Their belief isn't true belief but rather hopeful, wishful, "just-in-case" musing.
 
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levi501 said:
All I've gotten from this thread, is more useless "were all sinners" garbage.

Well since no one is serious about addressing the OP... I'll state my opinion.
Many Christians or most are actually agnostic in their hearts. Meaning they profess belief in his name with their mouths but deep down they have seriously doubt. They won't acknowledge this doubt or speak of it but it shows in their actions. With doubtless belief in a God you would go to great lengths to be as charitable as jesus was when he lived. Most don't because just in case there isn't a god they'd like to enjoy what lives they have. Their belief isn't true belief but rather hopeful, wishful, "just-in-case" musing.
lol your agenda is clear! :p

seriously though, your analysis of the situation is obviously lacking in practical experience. being a christian is a journey, and on the way some people need to have parts of the faith affirmed by belief structures and statements, others however do not.

your take on the charitable aspect of christianity, and its lacking, is correct, but to say that all christians should all be charitable is an insult to those who are struggling to make something of their lives and escape persecution or psychological damage.

go smoke a spliff :p
 
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Cleany said:
lol your agenda is clear! :p
and my points are valid.

Cleany said:
seriously though, your analysis of the situation is obviously lacking in practical experience. being a christian is a journey, and on the way some people need to have parts of the faith affirmed by belief structures and statements, others however do not.
irrelevant.
Why don't christians act as much as they can like Jesus? Of course they will fall short and sin. But are you suggesting that xians for the most part are doing what they can given the limit of their human weaknesses? If they aren't, why aren't they? They don't know what the bible says? Why would they knowingly go against the word of God... because they know they'll be forgiven? It doesn't make sense. If they are doubtless of the christian god in the bible's existence why do they trespass on his laws with so much frequency?

Cleany said:
your take on the charitable aspect of christianity, and its lacking, is correct, but to say that all christians should all be charitable is an insult to those who are struggling to make something of their lives and escape persecution or psychological damage.
To say all christians should act as closely like jesus as they possibly can is insulting?
 
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Adiya said:
Again, should it really take a belief in God to make one care for others? Why don't atheists do more to help others? When Hurricane Katrina occurred, there were many Christian organizations there, gathering up folks, driving them to other states, sheltering them, feeding them, clothing them, building them homes, etc. Why were there no atheist run organizations down there doing the same?

And where are the Christian hospitals?

Seriously, atheists are not an organized group, an organized sect. They dont have common goals, common agendas, etc. For the most part, large grouping of atheists outside the internet dont exist, especially with an agenda.

However, you could talk about Secular Humanist organizations, because they do have an agenda, and were down in New Orleans helping with the Hurrican relief. And then we could talk about Secular (made up of people of different sects from atheist to muslim to christian) groups, who spent time out there. And thats without going into what the gov't gave, which is after all, supposed to be in theory a non religious grouping working for the common good.

Athiets and agnostics do give and spend time working for worhty causes, they just do it out of a personal desire (as I am sure many xians do), because they don't have an organization compelling them to do so.
 
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Adiya said:
Again, should it really take a belief in God to make one care for others? Why don't atheists do more to help others? When Hurricane Katrina occurred, there were many Christian organizations there, gathering up folks, driving them to other states, sheltering them, feeding them, clothing them, building them homes, etc. Why were there no atheist run organizations down there doing the same?

Because Christians are better people than atheists, obviously.
 
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levi501 said:
All I've gotten from this thread, is more useless "were all sinners" garbage.

Well since no one is serious about addressing the OP... I'll state my opinion.
Many Christians or most are actually agnostic in their hearts. Meaning they profess belief in his name with their mouths but deep down they have seriously doubt. They won't acknowledge this doubt or speak of it but it shows in their actions. With doubtless belief in a God you would go to great lengths to be as charitable as jesus was when he lived. Most don't because just in case there isn't a god they'd like to enjoy what lives they have. Their belief isn't true belief but rather hopeful, wishful, "just-in-case" musing.

I love it when rich people claim that their wealth is a blessing from God. What, did God just forget to bless the rest of us? You'd also think that if their money came from God they would use it in a way that God would like, such as helping the poor, rather than buying themselves fancy cars.
 
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levi501 said:
So for those that have doubtless faith in christianity why do you sin?

Because I'm a sinner. Sinners sin.

I would impoverish myself to the bare neccessities of life because ultimately the material comforts of this world fail in comparison to my eternal reward.

Heaven is not some double sided ledger where you take things from this life to distribute them to the next.

Don't get me wrong, I would still mess up here and there, but I would easily qualify for sainthood at the end of my life.

The Bible tells me that I'm a saint now.

Why not do everything you can to stay in his good graces?

There is nothing I can do on my own to get into God's "good graces".

Any merit I have with God is strictly and totally because of Jesus.
 
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12volt_man said:
Heaven is not some double sided ledger where you take things from this life to distribute them to the next.
no idea what you mean here.



12volt_man said:
There is nothing I can do on my own to get into God's "good graces".

Any merit I have with God is strictly and totally because of Jesus.
I get it.
So you don't live your life trying as hard as you can to tell help your fellow man and live like Jesus because it's unecessary for gaining admittance to heaven?
 
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