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Is being destroyed not also eternal suffering? When do you believe they are destroyed?
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Yes, and they will be destroyed, not suffer forever like the demons and Satan.
god will start to burn people forever
Is being destroyed not also eternal suffering? When do you believe they are destroyed?
The most common reason given is that they cannot reconcile the idea of a God who would do that with their idea of a God who must be all-forgiving an all-loving. Therefore, they speculate that hell is for a necessary correction, but not eternal punishment.
Those who are more theologically inclined, point out that there are a few verses in Scripture which seem to suggest universal salvation and that the idea of universal salvation was more common in the early days of the church although it died out afterwards.
I don't think there are any verses against Christ's wording in Matthew 10:28, but we do want to read all verses fully in context. No one should read to prove any point, ever, but instead humbly listen to hear.the opposite to enternal life should be enternal death.
but some verses in the bible say that the souls will exist for ever and can not be destroyed, correct me if am wrong, if this is the case then indeed the people in hell will be tortured for ever and ever. or maybe "for ever" means like 1 million years?
Personally, I believe man was created with an immortal spirit, like the angels. But when Adam sinned, his whole being; body, soul, and spirit; became mortal. He went from life to death. When we are born again we go from death to life, meaning immortality.
This makes me believe humans who are not saved will be cast into the lake of fire and be destroyed completely in an instant. But the lake of fire, itself, will go on and on and on eternally, and the demons will suffer eternally as they are immortal.
It doesn't make sense to me at all, what do they think Hell* is for in that case?
Jesus said to rich man that nobody ever crosses from hell to heaven. That seems to indicate that hell is forever.
- which isn't true ofcourse , the 2nd paragraph.
Simply because "one , in front of you , hating you , never wanting to love you back" ,
never - ever - not never -
torpedoes the silly idea of "universal salvation".
Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away" Matthew 24:35 (WEB)It doesn't make sense to me at all, what do they think Hell* is for in that case?
Matthew 13 KJB
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Doesn't sound to me like people are destroyed instantly.
so if i have a soul how can i then be in the grave and dead? how do you explain abraham and his bossom or that jesus went to hell and preached the gospel? and the story with lazarus and the poor man? and we have the angels who are spirit, they have no body and still they are alive...
Darn! Good rebuttal. What do you think is "outer darkness."
The story of Lazarus and the poor man is a parable. What is a parable?
A parable, can be:
(1) a true story
(2) an untrue story with common reality objects and scenarios
(3) a fictitious story with unrealistic scenarios
So ... consider this:
Five reasons we can know that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is not meant to be taken literally and that it is a parable.
1. It’s comes in a list of parables. The Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary defines “parable” as “a usually short fictitious story that illustrates a moral attitude or a religious principle.” The story of the rich man and Lazarus comes at the end of a string of parables filled with symbolic, non-literal illustrations (see Luke 15). For instance, in the parable of the lost sheep, Jesus is certainly not teaching that His followers have four legs or eat grass; it’s all metaphor for a greater spiritual point.
2. It contains an impossible conversation. The parable portrays the rich man in “Hades” speaking directly to Lazarus in “Abraham’s bosom.” Can people in heaven have conversations with people in hell? For that matter, do people in heaven really watch people burning in hell? Not according to Jesus, who describes a “great gulf fixed” between the saved and the lost Luke 16:26
3. It uses clear symbolic imagery. The rich man wants Abraham to send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool his tongue (verse 24). This must be symbolic—because it can’t possibly happen physically. How much water could pass through the flames, and what help would it provide someone suffering in hell?
4. It uses figurative expressions. Do the people who died with faith in Christ find their rest in Abraham’s literal bosom? How big is Abraham’s bosom? This must be a figurative expression, for we know that angels will gather the saints at the second coming of Christ (see Matthew 24:30, 31).
5. It would otherwise contradict the rest of Scripture. If this story were literal, it would be hard to explain why the Bible says “in death there is no remembrance” (Psalm 6:5). Instead, those who die are asleep in the grave awaiting resurrection (1 Thessalonians 4:15, 16). The Bible compares death to sleep over 50 times. See one example by Jesus in John 11:11–14.
Jesus said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away" Matthew 24:35 (WEB)
Why would anyone expect hell to endure forever, if the heavens and earth must eventually perish? Hell will be destroyed. In 2 Peter there is a promise God will create a new world.
Goes into the parallel of light and darkness. God is the light, and where He does not shine there is darkness, and those that dwell in it such as evildoers, unrepentant sinners and the like, which I believe is what Hell is, God is not there, only satan, his demons and people who did not follow God in this life, suffering eternal torment, whereas Heaven is the light, where God resides in his fullness.
I always considered it where the dead in Satan go before they are resurrected.
Jesus usually is the one to say whether it is a parable or not. Jesus is God.
It doesn't make sense to me at all, what do they think Hell* is for in that case?
Why do some 'Christians' believe that He'll is not eternal?
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