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Why do so many Christians support political positions which protect selfishness?

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When you look in detail, it turns out that more Republicans are involved with churches, and the difference in their contributions to their churches. Otherwise giving rates are similar. If you assume that churches are charities, the real difference is between Christians and non Christians, not political convictions.

It is more than political convictions, it is a difference in values.

Republicans are much more likely to be religious adherents.

Your post is just a confirmation of my post.
 
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Actually from nutritional point of view junk food is the most expensive. Good food is cheap. The poor can't afford to be unhealthy, the rest of us can.

But I wasn't saying "junk food" was cheap. I was claiming that less healthy processed foods (tends to be high in fat and sodium, highly processed with lots of preservatives) are cheaper than "good food" (fresh fruits and vegetables, etc). Not to mention being faster and easier to cook, particularly for the "working poor" where they don't have the time to devote to cooking "fresh."

A food desert is deemed a quality food store more than 1 1/2 miles away. There are very few people than live that far from a good food market. Most of the poor have cars or access to cheap transportation. The poorest of the poor likely live or camp very close to food sources.

Citations? Now I suppose that you can claim that 10% of Americans are "few people," I don't think I'd agree. Particularly as I've lived in "food deserts," more than once -- I can think of at least 4 times in my life I've lived over 1.5 miles from a store, in 4 different cities. I think it may actually be 6 but I might be forgetting a smaller store that I didn't go to.

And this points to another issue with the "food desert" criteria, you ignore that something close to a convenience store, a small "corner grocery" -- one that is basically the size of a convenience store, charges prices similar to a convenience store, and offers little in the way of fresh foods are counted as Grocery stores. At one point there was one under a mile from me (about .7 miles) and I actually went once -- it seemed to be well under 1,000 sq. ft and offered most of the same types of items a convenience store does. But again, with their price and selection, they didn't have much that I couldn't go to a gas station convenience store, one closer to where I lived, and get the same items for about the same price.

Forced busing is wrong, and is a means to ensure that the kids actually attend the schools that they are ordered to attend.

Which doesn't matter for our conversation, just that it is the reason for much of the bussing today.

Kids usually walk in groups if they are going to the same place. That's pretty safe. Also pedophiles should be imprisoned for life (by their own admission they cannot be rehabilitated)...end of threat.

I can't recall doing that, not really. I suppose if you count one or two friends a "group," maybe. We moved between my year in Kindergarten and First Grade, and the school was considered walking distance. The only time I had a "group" is when I had an older brother walk with me, many times (particularly walking to school) I was alone (since it was half day and I went after lunch).

What should be done to pedophiles, again, is irrelevant to this conversation. Again, we live in a time where parents see "threats" everywhere, which has led to parents driving kids to school -- particularly in larger cities (which is yet another reason for more kids being driven, the fact that the US is much more urbanized today than the 40s, when the US was still mostly rural).

I started school, Kindergarten, in 1945. As soon as I learned the way I, and most others, walked regardless of how far it was (there was only one parent, a mother, who walked her kid home after school). I was about the farthest that I knew of, at about 1 1/4 miles one way (estimate). Later in high school many kids walked 2 plus miles one way, mainly because the buses were packed at that time of day, and they didn't mind walking.

Never got a ride to school until I had my own car as a hs senior (then I got so many parking tickets that I left it home). I also rode my bike sometimes, but the bike rack was usually full so I quit that as well.

The bus stop is right next to my house, and stops less than a block from my supermarket, which is in a huge shopping center. My bank is there also, as well as an ACE hardware store (very necessary for me). The buses run so often that I could get home, 1 1/2 miles away, before the ice cream melts. I can also get a seniors bus pass cheap. Big stuff or hard to find stuff I buy online. I also shop at the building centers located a good drive away, but as I'm not retired that doesn't really count.

Why, and how, would a poor person 'retire'?

Largely if they have built up enough in Social Security, particularly if combined with savings. Then again, there are plenty of "poor" Seniors who need to work to make ends meet.
 
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But I wasn't saying "junk food" was cheap. I was claiming that less healthy processed foods (tends to be high in fat and sodium, highly processed with lots of preservatives) are cheaper than "good food" (fresh fruits and vegetables, etc). Not to mention being faster and easier to cook, particularly for the "working poor" where they don't have the time to devote to cooking "fresh."

Why do you think the working poor have less time to prepare meals than anyone else?
 
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Why do you think the working poor have less time to prepare meals than anyone else?
Often they are working more than one job. Often their commute times are longer.
 
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Citations? Now I suppose that you can claim that 10% of Americans are "few people," I don't think I'd agree. Particularly as I've lived in "food deserts," more than once -- I can think of at least 4 times in my life I've lived over 1.5 miles from a store, in 4 different cities. I think it may actually be 6 but I might be forgetting a smaller store that I didn't go to.

And this points to another issue with the "food desert" criteria, you ignore that something close to a convenience store, a small "corner grocery" -- one that is basically the size of a convenience store, charges prices similar to a convenience store, and offers little in the way of fresh foods are counted as Grocery stores. At one point there was one under a mile from me (about .7 miles) and I actually went once -- it seemed to be well under 1,000 sq. ft and offered most of the same types of items a convenience store does. But again, with their price and selection, they didn't have much that I couldn't go to a gas station convenience store, one closer to where I lived, and get the same items for about the same price.

Mom-and-pop vs. big-box stores in the food desert
 
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Often they are working more than one job. Often their commute times are longer.

Well I guess they're stuck with eating junk food.
 
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Thou shalt not steal
Right. And it has been established elsewhere on this site that "Thou shalt not steal" ranks, in the minds of some Christians, ahead of "Thou shalt not kill." Money is more important in God's sight than human life.
Just to get you up to speed.
Your thoughts?
 
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Nice editorial. If only they had offered actual facts, rather than ranting about big box stores. In fact, it is odd they start talking about how "one of them (Gary)" moved to a food desert in Arizona, even try to make it sound like it wasn't actually a food desert, but then never actual mention what was actually available to him.

If they want to argue that local grocers should have been included by the FDA, I can accept that -- so long as they actually run a "full-service" (in terms of having plenty of fresh produce, fresh meat, etc.) grocery. But again, the major issue is that it is an editorial and does nothing to show how all these "food deserts" actually had "stores" available to them -- even to the point they don't show that Gary didn't live in a food desert.
 
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Right. And it has been established elsewhere on this site that "Thou shalt not steal" ranks, in the minds of some Christians, ahead of "Thou shalt not kill." Money is more important in God's sight than human life.
Just to get you up to speed.
Your thoughts?

Thou shalt not kill only refers to unjust punishment. By all indications, the man who died recently was killed unjustly. Whether someone should kill another who invades his or her home or business, that is a complicated question.
 
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Thou shalt not kill only refers to unjust punishment. By all indications, the man who died recently was killed unjustly. Whether someone should kill another who invades his or her home or business, that is a complicated question.
Actually, my question as I mean it also involves the concept of sin by "commission" (doing something wrong) as opposed to "omission" (not doing something right). That is, we all agree that actually murdering somebody is wrong, but if confronted with a choice between either stealing or allowing somebody to die, what would be the will of God?
 
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Actually, my question as I mean it also involves the concept of sin by "commission" (doing something wrong) as opposed to "omission" (not doing something right). That is, we all agree that actually murdering somebody is wrong, but if confronted with a choice between either stealing or allowing somebody to die, what would be the will of God?

an excellent question, will have to reflect on that...per your initial post (first in thread) it did not seem that you were talking about life or death
 
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an excellent question, will have to reflect on that...per your initial post (first in thread) it did not seem that you were talking about life or death
Oh, but I definitely am. There are Christians who define taxation as "stealing" (and I myself used to be one of them) and therefore immoral. They then say that stealing from the rich in order to finance universal healthcare is immoral. That is, it is better to protect the money of the rich than it is to tax them and save more of the poor.
What do you say?
 
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Oh, but I definitely am. There are Christians who define taxation as "stealing" (and I myself used to be one of them) and therefore immoral. They then say that stealing from the rich in order to finance universal healthcare is immoral. That is, it is better to protect the money of the rich than it is to tax them and save more of the poor.
What do you say?

If the US government would scale back their assistance to where it is only to maintain the lives/existence of the recipients, then the savings would be enormous. Taxes could be greatly reduced. The economy would get a huge boost from the people who will now have to work for their non-essentials. I think it is a great idea to give government assistance only when it is a matter of life or death. I would be happy to pay taxes in any cases where it is a matter of life and death, which I currently do and much much much more.
 
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