Why do SDA preach

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
I thought salvation had more to do with Jesus Christ.

this is not about salvation, this is about worship and identification "scripture says "come out of her my people that you may not be partakers of her sins" the problem at the end is there will be confusion as to who is the Lord's and who are the faithful. Just like at the time of Moses there was a need to Seperate between true and false. Pharoah's people could do magic too, God had to make a distinction, so he did. Can and Able there was a distinction made, Cain was unfaithful and a murder. he recieved a mark, In Revealtion 14 God defines his people by 2 things "Here are they that keep the Commands of God(10 commandment) and have the testimony of Jesus. they both must be there. that would nullify you claim that the law, sabbath has been done away with. it would also deny you the ability to say that if you have Jesus that is all you need. Well Revelation deny's you that.

ozso · Jul 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Hope you have a great Sabbath Brian

You too, brother David.

Danthemailman · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
I thought salvation had more to do with Jesus Christ.

Absolutely. John 10:9 - I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Acts 4:12 - Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 3:24-28)

ozso · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
this is not about salvation, this is about worship and identification "scripture says "come out of her my people that you may not be partakers of her sins" the problem at the end is there will be confusion as to who is the Lord's and who are the faithful. Just like at the time of Moses there was a need to Seperate between true and false. Pharoah's people could do magic too, God had to make a distinction, so he did. Can and Able there was a distinction made, Cain was unfaithful and a murder. he recieved a mark, In Revealtion 14 God defines his people by 2 things "Here are they that keep the Commands of God(10 commandment) and have the testimony of Jesus. they both must be there. that would nullify you claim that the law, sabbath has been done away with. it would also deny you the ability to say that if you have Jesus that is all you need. Well Revelation deny's you that.

Is that what the SDA church teaches? Interesting.

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
That doesn't make any sense. It's a cut and paste from the Bible.

correction, you cut and pasted what you wanted to say and left out the part that contradicted what you. that is playing games. I don't play games. we are in a discussion about the sabbath, and the covenants. It is the contention of some that the New covenant had done away with the Sabbath. this is not news to you. the part you intentionally left out would seem to contradict that idea.

The problem is I didn't say "new law". I said "new covenant" (see the quote below)

you did not make that distinction. that seems like game playing to me.

@icedragon101 @BobRyan @LoveGodsWord

Can I just converse with you brothers without you all being so adversarial?[/QUOTE] i don't believe I was being adversarial, but if I was it was because you were playing a game. don't play games and we won't have a problem. I will not tollerate it. it is wrong.

ozso · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
correction, you cut and pasted what you wanted to say and left out the part that contradicted what you. that is playing games. I don't play games. we are in a discussion about the sabbath, and the covenants. It is the contention of some that the New covenant had done away with the Sabbath. this is not news to you. the part you intentionally left out would seem to contradict that idea.

you did not make that distinction. that seems like game playing to me.

@icedragon101 @BobRyan @LoveGodsWord

Can I just converse with you brothers without you all being so adversarial? i don't believe I was being adversarial, but if I was it was because you were playing a game. don't play games and we won't have a problem. I will not tollerate it. it is wrong.

I think maybe you need to take a nap or something.

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
i don't believe I was being adversarial, but if I was it was because you were playing a game. don't play games and we won't have a problem. I will not tollerate it. it is wrong.

[quote'I think maybe you need to take a nap or something.[/QUOTE] game playing

ozso · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
[quote'I think maybe you need to take a nap or something. game playing

Oddly enough all I want is to have a normal conversation.

Albion · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
icedragon101 said:

[quote'I think maybe you need to take a nap or something.

Click to expand...

game playing

Was this ^ meant as an illustration of something or other?

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

Albion said:
Was this ^ meant as an illustration of something or other?

why are you asking about this

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
Oddly enough all I want is to have a normal conversation.

you called me hostile and i said nothing to you? that is not normal

Adventist Dissident · Jul 30, 2021

MMXX said:
Is that what the SDA church teaches? Interesting.

yes

ozso · Jul 30, 2021

Danthemailman said:
Absolutely. John 10:9 - I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

Acts 4:12 - Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Jesus Christ is the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Romans 3:24-28)

That can't be right. It doesn't sound threatening enough.

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

HIM said:
Apparently coveting is not an issue either?

Luke 12:15

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Agreed, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29). Where is the scripture that says God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? There is none. As posted earlier, Sunday worship is a man-made, teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment. Jesus warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow, man-made teachings and traditions that brake the commandments of God we are not following God. There is not one scripture in all of Gods Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day of rest. So according to Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9 if we follow the man-made teaching and tradition of Sunday worship while breaking God's 4th commandment "seventh day" Sabbath of Gods' 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken, who are you believing and following; God or man?

Nonsense. I have only provided you with scripture that disagrees with your teachings. We have investigated all your claims and accusation and scriptures you believe support your interpretation of the scriptures and shown from the scriptures alone that your claims and accusations are simply not biblical.

God's Word does not teach lawlessness (without law) Matthew 19:16-23 only mentions those commandments of our duty of loving our neighbor as our self. Did you also notice that these scriptures did not mention any of the first four commandments of Gods 10 commandments which are our duty of love to God?

Are you going to try and argue here that we are now free to have other Gods, make idols and worship them and use Gods' name in vain because these commandments were not mentioned in Matthew 19:16-23? Jesus focused on telling the rich young ruler to keep the commandments and started quoting the second six commandments that are our duty of love to our fellow man (Matthew 19:18-19) where the young ruler said to Jesus knowing something was wrong all these I have kept from my youth up what lack I (v20)? Jesus told him "If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me." (Matthew 19:21). Jesus told him this to show the right young ruler that yes he was obeying the second six commandments but was breaking the first two commandments about having other Gods and making idols of His riches. He loved his money and possessions more than he loved God and the rich young ruler went away sorrowful because he knew what Jesus was telling him (Matthew 15:22). How many commandments are in Gods' 10 commandments according to the scriptures? You do know there are 10 commandments in the 10 commandments right (see Exodus 34:28; Deuteronomy 4:13 and Deuteronomy 10:4; Exodus 20:1-17).

Where is Jesus telling you in Matthew 19:16-19 we are no longer required to keep the first four commandments of our duty of love to God by quoting the second six commandments of our duty of love to our fellow man? Where is the first commandment of having no other Gods (Exodus 20:3). Where is the second commandment about making idols and worshiping them (Exodus 20:4-5). Where is the commandment for taking God's name in vain? (Exodus 20:7). Are you seriously trying to argue we are now free to break any one of God's 10 commandments when all through the new testament scriptures we are told to obey them and that breaking anyone of them is sin *James 2:10-11?

A question that has no basis in truth or in the scriptures. You may want to consider it was the custom of Jesus to keep the Sabbath *Luke 4:16. Jesus taught us that he was the Lord and creator of the Sabbath that he made for all mankind *Mark 2:27-28. Jesus taught us how to correctly keep and obey Gods' 4th commandment in Matthew 12:1-12 and that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. Your question as shown here disagrees with scripture.

Why would Jesus say keep the Sabbath when Gods' people were already keeping the Sabbath for over 4000 years and were already keeping the Sabbath commandment as well as all that other 10 commandments? According to the scriptures Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind and that he is the Lord and creator of it in Mark 2:27-28; John 1:1-4; 14. They are Gods' Words not mine and I believe them. How about you? As shown above again through the scriptures your claims and arguments here are not biblical.

Take Care.

My dear friend. I have shown YOU how the SDA teaching on keeping the Law is not Biblical. I am not arguing or debating.

If you choose to follow their no-Biblical teachings after being shown, then the rest is on you.

Just to prove that , you just said ........
"Why would Jesus say keep the Sabbath when Gods' people were already keeping the Sabbath for over 4000 years and were already keeping the Sabbath commandment as well as all that other 10 commandments?"

Now we booth know that is not a true comment!!!

We both know that the word Sabbath does not appear in Scripture until Ex. 16.
Now that is a FACT!

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
But you have not pointed out any bible truths in regards to the Sabbath have you? I think this has been clearly demonstrated in detailed scripture responses to you that you seem to ignore and refuse to address.

YES I have.

The problem is that you have rejected all of them in favor of your SDA teachings.

Every single position that you have advanced has come from the SDA workbook and is not validated by the Scriptures.

If you make the choice to follow the SDA guidelines over the Word of God......wonderful. That is certainly your choice to do so.

However, the doctrine of Grace does not allow the Christian to incorporate the keeping of the Law into its teaching.

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

mmksparbud said:
Those were historical facts, not "SDA Taught responce!"
Those 3 predictions you implied did not happen, when they obviously did. No comment on that?

"Had our nation remained united it would have had strength, but divided it must fall. {1T 259.1}"
*****

It did not remain divided.

We are obviously not understanding historical facts.

I am saying that those events that Mrs. White predicted DID NOT take place.

England Did Not decalare war on the USA during the Civil War.

coffee4u · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
I will say it out right, I believe there will be a time when the creator and the creation order will be one of the defining issue between true and false believers, the faithful and unfaithful.

That I can agree with.

Scripture is very clear in Revelation that the issue is Worship. Worship the Creator or Worship the Image of the Beast. that is the issue.

My post wasn't about Revelations.
12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 1
The fact that people will worship the beast is not under debate here.

in order to identify with the Creator and the image God, it will be necessary to have some kind of out sign, the Sabbath is that sign.for the word Sabbath mean "sign of the Eternal Father".

Scripture please.
If you have no scripture you have nothing but your own opinion.

The sign of being saved is not the sabbath, it is Christ.
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

After spending 11 years in one of the most liberal hippie towns in america, I can tell you what is coming. it is disturbing how the image of God is being is being destroyed in these areas. Homosexuality and Transgenderism is being openly embraced by these churches and the Rainbow one of the Signs of God God is being used to promote things God condemns and calls sin. You are now seeing a wholesale attack on the church by the media, academia, and the government in a more aggressive way then I have ever seen in my life time. We are now at the beginning of the time we have been talking about. Some event will trigger the need to come together and make a change.

Many of us can see what is coming.

And notable you ignore the scripture that I put so I will put it again.
Romans 14:5
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.[/quote]

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

coffee4u said:
That I can agree with.

My post wasn't about Revelations.
12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 1
The fact that people will worship the beast is not under debate here.

Scripture please.
If you have no scripture you have nothing but your own opinion.

The sign of being saved is not the sabbath, it is Christ.
Romans 10:9
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

The idea of anyone using the Revelation as a proof of Sabbath worship today is a Straw Dog option!

Major1 · Jul 30, 2021

icedragon101 said:
this is not about salvation, this is about worship and identification "scripture says "come out of her my people that you may not be partakers of her sins" the problem at the end is there will be confusion as to who is the Lord's and who are the faithful. Just like at the time of Moses there was a need to Seperate between true and false. Pharoah's people could do magic too, God had to make a distinction, so he did. Can and Able there was a distinction made, Cain was unfaithful and a murder. he recieved a mark, In Revealtion 14 God defines his people by 2 things "Here are they that keep the Commands of God(10 commandment) and have the testimony of Jesus. they both must be there. that would nullify you claim that the law, sabbath has been done away with. it would also deny you the ability to say that if you have Jesus that is all you need. Well Revelation deny's you that.

Just so that I may be of service to you, and of course IF you are will to accept the help......YOU can not use the book of the Revelation to support any church activity or doctrine today.

There is NO CHURCH DOCTRINE in the book of the Revelation and to try and do so is forcing YOUR opinions on to something that is not supported.

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