Why do SDA preach

icedragon101 said:

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Well I don't see why it would be an issue for them to be forever in the sense we often think about it. But I think the point was that they were not to go changing it because He determined it. And the in your dwellings we already discussed earlier in the thread. It applied even outside the holy land, etc. So I think I see where you are coming from.

tall73 said:

Well I don't see why it would be an issue for them to be forever in the sense we often think about it. But I think the point was that they were not to go changing it because He determined it. And the in your dwellings we already discussed earlier in the thread. It applied even outside the holy land, etc. So I think I see where you are coming from.

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if it is talking about time, then it is unending, if it is unchanging, it may not be forever (time)

icedragon101 said:

if it is talking about time, then it is unending, if it is unchanging, it may not be forever (time)

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So let's tie in something you mentioned earlier:


Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Mat 5:23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Mat 5:25 Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison.
Mat 5:26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.
Adultery
Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce
Mat 5:31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
Mat 5:32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
Mat 5:33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’
Mat 5:34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
Mat 5:35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
Retaliation
Mat 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
Mat 5:41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Mat 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
Mat 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Adventists often note that the commandments of murder and adultery are referenced, which are in the ten.

But then oaths, divorce, eye for an eye, etc. are mentioned as well, and are not in the ten.

The whole of the law has not passed away. But some are fulfilled. Heaven and Earth passing away may suggest a timeline as you noted.

tall73 said:

So let's tie in something you mentioned earlier:


Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Murder
Mat 5:21 “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’
Mat 5:22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.
Mat 5:23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you,
Mat 5:24 leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Mat 5:25 Come to terms quickly with your accuser while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison.
Mat 5:26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny.
Adultery
Mat 5:27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Mat 5:29 If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
Mat 5:30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. For it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.
Divorce
Mat 5:31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’
Mat 5:32 But I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except on the ground of sexual immorality, makes her commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Oaths
Mat 5:33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’
Mat 5:34 But I say to you, Do not take an oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
Mat 5:35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
Mat 5:36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
Mat 5:37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.
Retaliation
Mat 5:38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’
Mat 5:39 But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Mat 5:40 And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
Mat 5:41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Mat 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Love Your Enemies
Mat 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Mat 5:47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Mat 5:48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Adventists often note that the commandments of murder and adultery are referenced, which are in the ten.

But then oaths, divorce, eye for an eye, etc. are mentioned as well, and are not in the ten.

The whole of the law has not passed away. But some are fulfilled. Heaven and Earth passing away may suggest a timeline as you noted.

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there is a question in there some where, but i don't see it. please clarify .

Eze 20:11 I gave them my statutes and made known to them my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live.
Eze 20:12 Moreover, I gave them my Sabbaths, as a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.
Eze 20:13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness. They did not walk in my statutes but rejected my rules, by which, if a person does them, he shall live; and my Sabbaths they greatly profaned. “Then I said I would pour out my wrath upon them in the wilderness, to make a full end of them.

Do you notice something unusual about what is said above? Adventists talk about the Sabbath being part of the "moral" law. Apart from it being a memorial, and a sign, and it being an appointed time, and having sacrifices, it is stated to be in addition to the laws by which if one does them they will live.

Also related to something you indicated earlier, I don't know if the Scriptures ever say explicitly that the Sabbath is the sign of the covenant, but it does say it is a sign, and is a covenant.

icedragon101 said:

there is a question in there some where, but i don't see it. please clarify .

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If we say that the Sabbath is not abolished, we have to say the same about the rest of the law as well.

But then what do you do with:

Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

tall73 said:

If we say that the Sabbath is not abolished, we have to say the same about the rest of the law as well.

But then what do you do with:

Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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can you tell me how any of the commandment have been relaxed.

tall73 said:

I am upset that I once again wasted time arguing with you in pointless circles.

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I know how you feel.

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ Answered in post # 642 linked

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Your response...

tall73 said:

Your answer that it was used to determine the other appointed times doesn't make sense of the texts that describe it as an assembly, or the text that speaks of it having a Sabbath-like element, or even it being one of the appointed times in its own right, with its own sacrifices. Eze 45:17 It shall be the prince's duty to furnish the burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the feasts, the new moons, and the Sabbaths, all the appointed times of the house of Israel And that summary statement, all the appointed times, following a list quite similar to Col. 2 should ring some bells.

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Sure it answers your question. Your question was; what was the purpose of the new moons and why were they also a shadow law. According to the scriptures the new moons were used to determine the times and the seasons (Genesis 1:14) and also to determine when God's appointed times (the Feast days) started. That is according to the scriptures the new moons of the old covenant beside have their own burnt offerings and sacrifices were used to determine the start of the year, and the months that God's feast days started by determining when they new moon started the beginning of the first day of the month then counting the days to when the feast days started.

Leviticus 23:4-44
[4], These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
[5], In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.
[6], And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
[7], In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[8], But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[9], And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[10], Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
[11], And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
[12], And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
[13], And the meat offering thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD for a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
[14], And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[15], And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[16], Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
[17], Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
[18], And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year, and one young bullock, and two rams: they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD, with their meat offering, and their drink offerings, even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
[19], Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering, and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
[20], And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD, with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
[21], And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
[22], And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.
[23], And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[24], Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
[25], Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
[26], And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[27], Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
[28], And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
[29], For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
[30], And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
[31], Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
[32], It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
[33], And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
[34], Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
[35], On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
[36], Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
[37], These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
[38], Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
[39], Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
[40], And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees,4= branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
[41], And ye shall keep it a feast unto the LORD seven days in the year. It shall be a statute for ever in your generations: ye shall celebrate it in the seventh month.
[42], Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
[43], That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
[44], And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

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As posted earlier, in the old covenant the new moons were used for identifying the times and seasons and God's appointed times (identifying the Feast days).

It is true they had it's own element in animal sacrifices and holy convocation but it's role was to determine the times and the seasons and the appointed time (feast days) and animal sacrifice for remission of sins. All aspects of the new moon feasts and their burnt offerings are fulfilled in Christ to who they pointed to and these laws for remission of sins and God's plan of salvation as outlined inm the new covenant are the "shadows" of things to come (see post # 413 linked here for scripture support).


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If for example you look at Colossians 2:16 the context also uses the New moons in context to the Feast days where Pail is actually quoting old testament scriptures...

WHAT IS THE WITHIN SCRIPTURE CONTEXT OF COLOSSIANS 2:16?

COLOSSIANS 2:16 [16] Let no man therefore judge you in (1) MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an (2) HOLY DAY [FEAST DAYS], or of the (3) NEW MOON, or of the (4) SABBATH DAYS <plural GNP>

PAUL'S within scriptures CONTEXT and use of COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 is in reference to the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures.

EZEKIEL 45:17 [17] And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and (1) MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, in the (2) FEASTS, and in the (3) NEW MOONS, and in the (4) SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

Note: the same order and context used to meat and drink offerings, the feast days, new moons and sabbaths (plural). The context is to the Feast days as all the above have some connection to the annual Feast days of Leviticus 23.

NUMBERS 28 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual BURNT OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.

ISAIAH 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD: I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13] BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me; THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your NEW MOONS and your APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.

LEVITICUS 23:4 [4] These are THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.

HOSEA 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her NEW MOONS, and HER SABBATHS, and all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.

It is putting an end to the sacrificial system and the annual ceremonial sabbaths (plural not the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment) which were "shadows of things to come" *Colossians 2:17.


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NEW COVENANT

Now that we know what Colossians 2:16-17 is referring to let’s look at other scriptures by Paul on the same subject matter here…

HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

HEBREWS 10:1-9 [1], FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6], IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.

NOTE: the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offerings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7

Hope this is helpful.

tall73 said:

If we say that the Sabbath is not abolished, we have to say the same about the rest of the law as well. But then what do you do with: Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

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It is only the old covenant "shadow laws" for remission is sin that are now fulfilled and continued in Christ in the new covenant. This is really not very hard. God's 10 commandments have the same role they always have and that is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing) sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to Gods' Word in the new covenant many things in the new covenant have now changed but mainly from the Sanctuary laws for remission of sins and how we receive Gods' forgiveness. (Hebrews 7:1-25: Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22 see also; Matthew 5:21; 27; 33; 38; 43 etc) but one thing is still the same. God's commandments are the standard of good and evil; sin and righteousness and the standard of Christian living and if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin according to James 2:10-11. This of course includes God's 4th commandment that we discussed earlier which is one of God's 10 commandments and is an everlasting covenant *Exodus 31:16 that God's people will continue keeping in the new earth *Isaiah 66:22-23.

MMXX said:

I know how you feel.

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Yes it is hard for many to argue against what the scriptures actually say.

LoveGodsWord said:

Yes it is hard to argue against what the scriptures say.

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The problem is with what you say and how you say it. You make it hard to have a discussion with you.

MMXX said:

The problem is with what you say and how you say it. You make it hard to have a discussion with you.

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Perhaps you need to take your own advice and stop pretending people are saying and believing things they do not believe or have ever said. I tried to have a discussion with you from the scriptures Brian but your response to everything I was sharing with you was that you do not believe the scriptures shared with you because the majority do not believe them without telling me why you do not believe the scriptures that have been shared with you. To me that is closing down a discussion. You of course are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you and have not said anything judgmental about you and wish you well.

Take Care.

LoveGodsWord said:

Perhaps you need to take your own advice.

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I'm just explaining to you that it's what you have to say, rather than what scripture says, that people take issue with.

MMXX said:

I'm just explaining to you that it's what you have to say, rather than what scripture says, that people take issue with.

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DITTO. People for some reason do not want to hear God's Word when it disagrees with what they might be doing. What I have to say is what the scriptures say because for me only Gods' Word is the standard of truth and we should believe and follow them. What we say and our opinions do not matter outside of the scriptures.

LoveGodsWord said:

DITTO.

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I don't tell others "Yes it is hard to argue against what the scriptures say." when they're arguing against what I myself have to say.

MMXX said:

I don't tell others "Yes it is hard to argue against what the scriptures say." when they're arguing against what I myself have to say.

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If someone disagrees with the scriptures then they disagree with the person sharing them. This is all through the old and new testament. All I have done with you is shown from the scriptures why I believe your claims are not biblical. Nothing more. They are Gods' Word not my words and only sent in love as a help to you Brian. I was not interested in discussing things with you I had never said or believe that you were claiming I did.

LoveGodsWord said:

Perhaps you need to take your own advice and stop pretending people are saying and believing things they do not believe or have ever said. I tried to have a discussion with you from the scriptures Brian but your response to everything I was sharing with you was that you do not believe the scriptures shared with you because the majority do not believe them without telling me why you do not believe the scriptures that have been shared with you. To me that is closing down a discussion. You of course are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you and have not said anything judgmental about you and wish you well.

Take Care.

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Again, the issue is not with what the scriptures say, the issue has been with what you have to say. In other words I'm arguing with you, not scripture.

Also this is an example of how you keep arguments going in repetitive circles.

MMXX said:

Again, the issue is not with what the scriptures say, the issue has been with what you have to say. In other words I'm arguing with you, not scripture.

Also this is an example of how you keep arguments going in repetitive circles.

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Your post here is repetition, already answered above. I am not interested in repeating myself Brian so we will have to agree to disagree.

LoveGodsWord said:

Your post here is repetition, already answered above. I am not interested in repeating myself Brian so we will have to agree to disagree.

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Okay.