Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

BobRyan said:
Is that because you think that taking God's name in vain is just no big deal??

I see I will have to repeat what I have previously written.
A couple of years ago I was in the home of a member of the sda church. This person earnestly stressed the TC must be obeyed as the requirement to attain heaven. They were chatting to a friend who was also a member of the sda church. As they chatted they continuously took the Lords name in vain, laughing as they did so.
I cannot emphasise enough how truly shocked and disturbed i was by what I witnessed. Never in over fifty years of going to various churches have i witnessed such a thing. I was left with the deep impression their form of religion was utterly different to mine.
How can anyone who is a born again christian continually laugh as they take the Lords name in vain? It is incomprehensible to me.
I know how wrong that is to do, and the spirit within me convicts me of that, for that law has been placed in my most inward parts.
You see my friend. Those who continually stress the law must be obeyed to be justified appear to have far less conviction of sin than those who do not. And in my experience those who most insist the TC are obeyed are the most flagrant breakers of Gods laws . As they were 2000 years ago of course.
I trust now you will not write anymore posts suggesting I believe it is no big deal to take the Lords name in vain

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
I see I will have to repeat what I have previously written.
A couple of years ago I was in the home of a member of the sda church. This person earnestly stressed the TC must be obeyed as the requirement to attain heaven. They were chatting to a friend who was also a member of the sda church. As they chatted they continuously took the Lords name in vain, laughing as they did so.
I cannot emphasise enough how truly shocked and disturbed i was by what I witnessed. Never in over fifty years of going to various churches have i witnessed such a thing. I was left with the deep impression their form of religion was utterly different to mine.
How can anyone who is a born again christian continually laugh as they take the Lords name in vain? It is incomprehensible to me.
I know how wrong that is to do, and the spirit within me convicts me of that, for that law has been placed in my most inward parts.
You see my friend. Those who continually stress the law must be obeyed to be justified appear to have far less conviction of sin than those who do not. And in my experience those who most insist the TC are obeyed are the most flagrant breakers of Gods laws . As they were 2000 years ago of course.
I trust now you will not write anymore posts suggesting I believe it is no big deal to take the Lords name in vain

You know something. I find your posts really weird, and that they don't make sense to me. Why? Because you keep claiming that these people you have met, are all claiming to insist they must follow the 10 commandments to be saved, but they turn around and think nothing of breaking them. Have you no idea how utterly absurd that sounds??! Anyone who thinks that keeping them is the way to get to heaven, is going to go nuts trying to keep them, and if they break them, they totally freak out. Like that woman you claimed thought nothing of having multiple affairs. I doubt she exists! No matter what DENOMINATION someone is, when they have an affair they feel guilty, and the more insistent on obedience they are, the more guilty they become---that's just the way it works. I've never met anyone who cheated that did not feel guilty, esp when the affair ends in divorce, and even if they marry the one they cheated with. I was out of the church for over 25 years. My friends varied from atheists to devout. Those who cheated, no matter what, always felt guilty, the more devout, the more guilt. You can spout this stuff all you want---it just doesn't add up. I had a Jewish girlfriend, you have to keep the commandments and more--period. She totally freaked out when she forgot to tear the toilet paper before sundown!! They turn the lights on before sundown and keep them on, they just about have a heart attack if they forget to do something before sundown. and if they cheat---the guilt is phenomenal.
It seems as though you have never read Hebrews. Are you really not aware that the law that was nailed to the cross was the Levitical laws pertaining to the sacrificial rituals that all pointed to Christ? He is now our High Priest, it is His blood that cleanses us now, the law can no longer save anyone, His blood alone does it.

Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
It's no wonder you can't seem to get it.

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
You know something. I find your posts really weird, and that they don't make sense to me. Why? Because you keep claiming that these people you have met, are all claiming to insist they must follow the 10 commandments to be saved, but they turn around and think nothing of breaking them. Have you no idea how utterly absurd that sounds??! Anyone who thinks that keeping them is the way to get to heaven, is going to go nuts trying to keep them, and if they break them, they totally freak out. Like that woman you claimed thought nothing of having multiple affairs. I doubt she exists! No matter what DENOMINATION someone is, when they have an affair they feel guilty, and the more insistent on obedience they are, the more guilty they become---that's just the way it works. I've never met anyone who cheated that did not feel guilty, esp when the affair ends in divorce, and even if they marry the one they cheated with. I was out of the church for over 25 years. My friends varied from atheists to devout. Those who cheated, no matter what, always felt guilty, the more devout, the more guilt. You can spout this stuff all you want---it just doesn't add up. I had a Jewish girlfriend, you have to keep the commandments and more--period. She totally freaked out when she forgot to tear the toilet paper before sundown!! They turn the lights on before sundown and keep them on, they just about have a heart attack if they forget to do something before sundown. and if they cheat---the guilt is phenomenal.
It seems as though you have never read Hebrews. Are you really not aware that the law that was nailed to the cross was the Levitical laws pertaining to the sacrificial rituals that all pointed to Christ? He is now our High Priest, it is His blood that cleanses us now, the law can no longer save anyone, His blood alone does it.

Heb_10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
It's no wonder you can't seem to get it.

Of course my posts seem weird to you, of course you don't understand them.
The woman definately exists, of that I can assure you. She told me herself once she wanted a way out of all the affairs but didn't know how to find it.
If only you could understand beyond the letter itself.
That woman hinged her hope of heaven on obeying the TC as did Saul the Pharisee.
This is what happened to Saul the Pharisee when he hinged his hope of heaven on obeying those laws:

For I would not have known lust except the law had said:
Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking advantage of the commandment aroused all manner of concupiscence in me
Rom7:8

Pray for enlightenment.
BTW
When scripture speaks of not being under the law it means all the law, not just the levitical law

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

Some people just don't get it. Were the Pharisees of Jesus day not in earnest to obey God?
They even tithed down to their last mint dil and cumin.
However they were full of wickedness, hypocrisy and everything
Unclean on the inside.
As Jesus said. Clean the inside of the cup, then the whole cup will be clean.
Don't clean the outside, and excuse what goes on in the inside. You are excusing breaking the moral law if you do!

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
Of course my posts seem weird to you, of course you don't understand them.
The woman definately exists, of that I can assure you. She told me herself once she wanted a way out of all the affairs but didn't know how to find it.
If only you could understand beyond the letter itself.
That woman hinged her hope of heaven on obeying the TC as did Saul the Pharisee.
This is what happened to Saul the Pharisee when he hinged his hope of heaven on obeying those laws:

For I would not have known lust except the law had said:
Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking advantage of the commandment aroused all manner of concupiscence in me
Rom7:8

Pray for enlightenment.
BTW
When scripture speaks of not being under the law it means all the law, not just the levitical law

READ HEBREWS---prayerfully, maybe you finally might let God speak to you. You will never truly know God until you do so, but you have closed your mind and imprisoned your soul.

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
READ HEBREWS---prayerfully, maybe you finally might let God speak to you. You will never truly know God until you do so, but you have closed your mind and imprisoned your soul.

In rom 7:4-6 Paul says the christian dies to the law.
Sinful passions in us are aroused by the law when we live under it
The christian dies to the law that bound them. They have been released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code

Which law is Paul speaking of here?

In the next five verses he gives a personal example from his own life of why he had to die to the law. The example he gave was:
Thou shalt not covet.

Which is one of the ten commandments

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

Saul the Pharisee would have had no need to die to the legalistic law. He could faultlessly obey it(phil3:6) as could the Pharisees of Jesus day I imagine.
The legalistic law never was the problem.

The Achilles heel of the SDA is the Achilles heel of many other churches too.
They believe a law of righteousness/ justification remains concerning the moral law. Except they stress it far more than others do.
Only the holy spirit can turn on the light. In truth I myself once lived earnestly under a law of righteousness concerning the moral law.
I refused to be a hypocrite and remain in church while failing to uphold that law.
I would have to question whether anyone has the law on their heart and mind if they claim to fully obey the moral law, for when the law I placed within you there I no hiding from it.

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
In rom 7:4-6 Paul says the christian dies to the law.
Sinful passions in us are aroused by the law when we live under it
The christian dies to the law that bound them. They have been released from the law and serve in the new way of the Spirit not the old way of the written code

Which law is Paul speaking of here?

In the next five verses he gives a personal example from his own life of why he had to die to the law. The example he gave was:
Thou shalt not covet.

Which is one of the ten commandments

Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

There is a reason the sacrificial system of laws were abolished--animal blood only pointed to Jesus, only the sacrificial blood of Jesus can save. COMMANMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES--it was the ordinances that were nailed to the cross, no more animal sacrifices. That is all I will say, for you are closed and can not see and this will only end up the same way----yes, no, yes, no.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

No animal sacrifices involved, only in the Levitical laws.

Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets..
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.=
1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Col_2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

The SDA may at times use words skillfully to sound very nice, but in truth they do indeed believe in a justification of observing the TC to attain heaven

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

There is a reason the sacrificial system of laws were abolished--animal blood only pointed to Jesus, only the sacrificial blood of Jesus can save. COMMANMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES--it was the ordinances that were nailed to the cross, no more animal sacrifices. That is all I will say, for you are closed and can not see and this will only end up the same way----yes, no, yes, no.

Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

No animal sacrifices involved, only in the Levitical laws.

Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mat_22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets..
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.=
1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
1Co_14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
Eph_2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Col_2:22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
1Jn_2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn_2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn_3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn_3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
2Jn_1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev_14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Rev_22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

I've already proved to you very plainly from rom ch7 that when Paul spoke of dying to the law he included the ten commandments in that. However much of the letter you reel off does not change That fact

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
The SDA may at times use words skillfully to sound very nice, but in truth they do indeed believe in a justification of observing the TC to attain heaven

That is not true--you have been clearly shown to you over and over and still you spout this garage---that is downright a willful misrepresentation.

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

All I will say to you is--learn to read. Goodbye and please stop misrepresenting what we believe for after a while it then becomes a willful lie and that can be dangerous.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
That is not true--you have been clearly shown to you over and over and still you spout this garage---that is downright a willful misrepresentation.

An sda member stated on the other thread, and i quote:

Obedience to the ten commandments is stressed multiple times I scripture to be the requirement for entrance to heaven

Unquote

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
All I will say to you is--learn to read. Goodbye and please stop misrepresenting what we believe for after a while it then becomes a willful lie and that can be dangerous.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

I can quote the words of the sda member again if you like.
When I lived under a justification of observing the law I was blind to the fact I was doing it.

One sda member asked me once if we must obey the ten commandments.

I responded:

Heaven is not attained by a justification of obeying the TC

They shook their head, laughing hysterically

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
An sda member stated on the other thread, and i quote:

Obedience to the ten commandments is stressed multiple times I scripture to be the requirement for entrance to heaven

Unquote

"An SDA member" that you do not quote who it is, and you have been told that is not what the DENOMINATION teaches at all, never has. We are saved by grace, we keep the commandments not in order to be saved but because we are saved---period--Good night.
I state my faith, I am not ashamed of it, but it's interesting to note that many on here do not like to say what they are.

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mmksparbud said:
"An SDA member" that you do not quote who it is, and you have been told that is not what the DENOMINATION teaches at all, never has. We are saved by grace, we keep the commandments not in order to be saved but because we are saved---period--Good night.
I state my faith, I am not ashamed of it, but it's interesting to note that many on here do not like to say what they are.

I will yet again quote the words of an sda church member:

Obedience to the Ten Commandments is stressed multiple times in scripture to be the requirement for entrance to heaven.

Unquote.

That is what every seventh day Adventist believes that I have personally met.

You may say it is a lie, but it is not, so many of your posts prove that is what you too believe

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

Even to keep stressing a person must obey the ten commandments is not to understand the new covenant.

The law God requires the believer to keep is within them. They already know That law and in their heart want to obey it.

So what on earth is the point in continually stating:

You must obey the TC to a believer?

And there isn't any point in stating it to an unbeliever I there.

It speaks of religion without being led of understanding by the spirit in the new covenental truth

mark wright · Dec 8, 2016

Its called following after the written code, not the holy spirit

mmksparbud · Dec 8, 2016

mark wright said:
I will yet again quote the words of an sda church member:

Obedience to the Ten Commandments is stressed multiple times in scripture to be the requirement for entrance to heaven.

Unquote.

That is what every seventh day Adventist believes that I have personally met.

You may say it is a lie, but it is not, so many of your posts prove that is what you too believe

You go right ahead with your delusions, I'll waste no more time with such a determined, blinded individual. My condolences.

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