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You have the legalistic law and the moral law, and this combines to one whole law.
The legalistic law can be faultlessly obeyed by man.
Saul the Pharisee faultlessly obeyed it. The moral law cannot be faultlessly obeyed.
As for zeal persecuting the church, as for legalistic righteousness, faultlessI assume this is the part where you "just quote you" to get your list of supposed "truths" - right?
Since you are using terms that are not in the Bible at all - I suppose you can make up whatever you wish as the definition for the terms used in your world.
Saul faultlessly obeyed a law that he imagined. Not the actual Law of God.
As for zeal persecuting the church, as for legalistic righteousness, faultless
Phil3:6
I used to go to seventh Adventist church. I do not believe Ellen g white or Adventist theology.I attend another church. if someone finds peace in it .I will not judge I find Adventist doctrine not aligned to what I believe.,.
NIV 1984 edition"Legalistic righteousness"?? What translation is that??? The New American Interpolation Bible??
And do you then extrapolate to "legalistic law" out of whatever that was??
NIV 1984 edition
May I ask? Do you tell people that if they want to get to heaven they must obey what the bible terms the letter That kills, the ministration of death and condemnation?
Do you tell them only non christians fail to obey this law?
You believe a person attains heaven by looking to the written code/law the bible states is the letter that kills and the ministration of condemnation and death and obeying that law.I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 2:4-6
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
The born-again saint, the good-tree - will bear good fruit.
I tell people that Paul was right in 1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
I tell people that Paul was right in Romans 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
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I tell them not to listen to the hay stubble "fluff" of men who simply "quote themselves" but to rely on the Word of God!
You don't understand Paul's message.I tell people that Paul was right in Romans 11
17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
NIV 1984 edition
May I ask? Do you tell people that if they want to get to heaven they must obey what the bible terms the letter That kills, the ministration of death and condemnation?
Do you tell them only non christians fail to obey this law?
You believe a person attains heaven by looking to the written code/law
You don't understand Paul's message.
It all hinges on being released from the law and serving in the new way of the spirit, not the old way of the written code.
All you do is quote the written code as the way to attain heaven
Paul would have been apalled!
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written codeI tell people that John was right - in 1 John 2:4-6
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
The born-again saint, the good-tree - will bear good fruit.
I tell people that Paul was right in 1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
I tell people that Paul was right in Romans 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
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I tell them not to listen to the hay stubble "fluff" of men who simply "quote themselves" but to rely on the Word of God!
When you say "looking to the written code" are you quoting yourself?? me?? who??
would you like to respond to my post by referencing something that is actually in it?
But now, by dying to what once bound us we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the spirit and not the old way of the written code
Rom7:6
There's a quote!
Pity you don't understand it
So which commandments does John write of:
You are in a hopeless mess here. No one bears good fruit by looking to the written codeI tell people that John was right - in 1 John 2:4-6
4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.
I tell people that John was right - in 1 John 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.
The born-again saint, the good-tree - will bear good fruit.
I tell people that Paul was right in 1 Cor 6
7 Actually, then, it is already a defeat for you, that you have lawsuits with one another. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 On the contrary, you yourselves wrong and defraud. You do this even to your brethren.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
I tell people that Paul was right in Romans 6
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; 7 for he who has died is freed from sin.
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12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, 13 and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not be master over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! 16 Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness?
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I tell them not to listen to the hay stubble "fluff" of men who simply "quote themselves" but to rely on the Word of God!
When you say "looking to the written code" are you quoting yourself?? me?? who??
would you like to respond to my post by referencing something that is actually in it?
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