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Why do people judge mormons, isnt that Gods decision?

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Breetai said:
Hinckley said that the LDS worship "a different Jesus".

Breetai, I think that those who quote this little sound bite and proclaim "See we were right all along and President Hinckley just confirmed our belief that Mormons worship a 'different Jesus'", are being less than totally honest.

President Hinckley said on two different occasions:

"In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p.7 ) [emphasis added]​

and in LDS General Conference April 2002 he said,

As a Church we have many critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say. Our faith, our knowledge is not based on ancient traditions, the creeds which came of a finite understanding and out of the almost infinite discussions of men trying to arrive at a definition of the risen Christ. Our faith, our knowledge comes from the witness of a prophet in this dispensation who saw before him the great God of the universe and His Beloved son, the resurrected Lord Jesus Christ. They spoke to him. He spoke to them. He testified openly, unequivocally, and unabashedly of that great vision of the Almighty Redeemer of the world glorifying our understanding, but unequivocating in the knowledge it brought.​

When asked on another occasion if LDS were Christians, President Gordon B. Hinckley replied

"Of course we are! No one can honestly deny that. We may be somewhat different from the traditional pattern of Christianity. But no one believes more literally in the redemption wrought by the Lord Jesus Christ. No one believes more fundamentally that He was the Son of God, that He died for the sins of mankind, that He rose from the grave, and that He is the living resurrected Son of the living Father.

"All of our doctrine, all of our religious practice stems from that one basic doctrinal position: 'We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.' This is the first article of our faith, and all else flows therefrom."​

We believe in Jesus of Nazareth, in the One sent of the Father to bind up the broken hearted and proclaim liberty to the captives (Isaiah 61:1; D&C 138:11-18). For us, the Jesus of history is indeed the Christ of faith. He was and is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh (John 3:16; 2 Nephi 25:12; D&C 20:21). While some may exclude us from the category of Christian for this or that doctrinal matter, our behavior must be consistent with our profession; those who claim new life in the Spirit are expected to walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:25).

Doc

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In John 7:24 we are told, "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment." If someone steals, lies, commits adultery or murder, etc., the Christian can make a (righteous) moral judgment and say that the actions were morally wrong, and that these sins will have eternal consequences. Chuck Colson said, "True tolerance is not a total lack of judgment. It’s knowing what should be tolerated—and refusing to tolerate that which shouldn’t."
 
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Until it was changed a few years ago, if I had been a Christian mouse in an LDS temple during an endowment ceremony, what would I have heard about Christian pastors?

Nothing, you misunderstand the teaching tool of the Pastor.
I will not explain it because people clearly choose to believe their negative perceptions and misrepresentations over the Truth.
 
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usetheforce,

In my short time on this board, you have yet to explain anything! All you do is say that you're not going to waste the time to explain it, 'cause it would be a waste of time!?

Why do you even bother to post?
 
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Jason the Evangelist said:
usetheforce,

In my short time on this board, you have yet to explain anything! All you do is say that you're not going to waste the time to explain it, 'cause it would be a waste of time!?

Why do you even bother to post?
Typing practice?
 
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Jason the Evangelist said:
usetheforce,

In my short time on this board, you have yet to explain anything! All you do is say that you're not going to waste the time to explain it, 'cause it would be a waste of time!?

Why do you even bother to post?
He has posted quite a bit. Granted, the posts are usually just complaints about Christians who are "anti-Mormon" and the post are under the name "leeuniverse" but never the less, he does post.:D
 
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Breetai, I think that those who quote this little sound bite and proclaim "See we were right all along and President Hinckley just confirmed our belief that Mormons worship a 'different Jesus'", are being less than totally honest.
Umm....Doc. Did you read those quotes? Hinckley does state that the LDS teach a different Christ than the rest of Christianity. He says that we believe in a 'traditional' Christ while the LDS believe in a Christ that has been revealed fully through Joseph Smith. The LDS understanding of Christ is radically different than the 'traditional' one. He said it himself.
 
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Breetai said:
Umm....Doc. Did you read those quotes? Hinckley does state that the LDS teach a different Christ than the rest of Christianity. He says that we believe in a 'traditional' Christ while the LDS believe in a Christ that has been revealed fully through Joseph Smith. The LDS understanding of Christ is radically different than the 'traditional' one. He said it himself.
Very true. He said what he said, plain and simple. Of course, since we aren't LDS, we probably just don't understand what he "really" meant. (((snicker)))
 
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happyinhisgrace said:
He has posted quite a bit. Granted, the posts are usually just complaints about Christians who are "anti-Mormon" and the post are under the name "leeuniverse" but never the less, he does post.:D


I asked about this earlier, and thought it was kind of obvious that that two were the same.

And y'all scoff at my thought that Doc was Dan Peterson. :D :D

Maybe there are really on two total real people on this board, or maybe there are only about a dozen people on the whole net who discuss this stuff, and y'all just move from one board to the next? Think about it!!

Chris <><
 
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Breetai said:
Umm....Doc. Did you read those quotes? Hinckley does state that the LDS teach a different Christ than the rest of Christianity. He says that we believe in a 'traditional' Christ while the LDS believe in a Christ that has been revealed fully through Joseph Smith. The LDS understanding of Christ is radically different than the 'traditional' one. He said it himself.

True, he did say that the Christ we worship is different than the traditional Christ, but you implied that the Christ Mormons worship is different than the Christ of the Bible. That is where we disagree.

Doc

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christopher123 said:
I asked about this earlier, and thought it was kind of obvious that that two were the same.

And y'all scoff at my thought that Doc was Dan Peterson. :D :D

Maybe there are really on two total real people on this board, or maybe there are only about a dozen people on the whole net who discuss this stuff, and y'all just move from one board to the next? Think about it!!

Chris <><

I wondered which thread this post was on. I thought about being coy and trying to lead you on, but that would not be fair to Dr. Peterson.

Alas, I am not the Meanest Man in Mormonism (Dr. Peterson), we are friends and had dinner together with several others after the FAIR conference. But I can assure you that I have much more hair than he does. ;)

I guess great minds just think alike. :p

Doc

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True, he did say that the Christ we worship is different than the traditional Christ, but you implied that the Christ Mormons worship is different than the Christ of the Bible. That is where we disagree.
We probably do, although I will say that only God knows for sure(when I say God, I do mean Christ).

I don't worship a spirit child, named Jesus(or Jehovah), born of a heavenly father and of a heavenly mother who most likely also has a heavenly grandfather and grandmother; a great-grandfather and great-grandmother, etc. I worship God, who is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost; all equal, who has been 'at the same level of God-hood' since eternity. There is and has not been anyone before Him and there will never be anyone at the same level that He is at now.

That really doesn't sound like the same Christ to me. One of us is very mistaken. I follow the God of the Bible and I give Deuteronomy 6:4 to support what I have just said.
 
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Jenda said:
Since everyone is so keen on going back 170+ years, how about this one?

Joseph Smith, 11th article of faith.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.


What he doesnt add is the rest of your doctrine excluding them from being with God if they dont accept JS in this life or the next. You follow that example very well. Perhaps you could make this point clear from now on.
 
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christopher123 said:
I asked about this earlier, and thought it was kind of obvious that that two were the same.

And y'all scoff at my thought that Doc was Dan Peterson. :D :D

Maybe there are really on two total real people on this board, or maybe there are only about a dozen people on the whole net who discuss this stuff, and y'all just move from one board to the next? Think about it!!

Chris <><
This is the only board I post on. You are all stuck with me at this point in time, until life gets too busy again and I have to take a break for awhile.

As far as Doc being Dan Peterson, who knows. Stranger things have happened.

I think you are right though, it is obvious that leeuniverse and usetheforce are the same person.
 
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Members of the KKK believe in Christ,too! Do I have the right to judge that group?

Sorry, your religion gets to be judged , just like any other. Are you going to hell? I dont know, I do not know your heart, only God does. I can tell you some doctrines of your religion are not biblical.

The history of a church has a lot to do with whether or not the religion is true. Just because you are allowed to change your doctrine with every direction the wind appears to be blowing, doesnt mean your history is off-limits to discening truth.

BY said I will have to pass JS to enter into the Celestial Kingdom, you cant say that your history is moot.
 
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happyinhisgrace said:
He has posted quite a bit. Granted, the posts are usually just complaints about Christians who are "anti-Mormon" and the post are under the name "leeuniverse" but never the less, he does post.:D

I get so sick of anti-Christians complaining about anti-Mormons. :sick:
 
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