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Christianity today is in deep trouble. And, we see the very reason why online all the time these days. Its not arguing with objectivity. But arguing using imposed invented requirements that divert to only serve to distract away from the real issue that one wishes to deny.
We can't be monkeys.... For Genesis 1:27 tells us that the human male and female souls were created in His image. That is why God could give man animals to eat for food, but forbid human sacrifice.. For animal souls do not have everlasting life. Animals souls were not created in God's image.well as the cliche goes, were still monkeys, wether you like it or not. I accept the reality of the situation, and rather glory god in truth then hang on to lies for fear of the truth. I've read and researched evolution, everything that I've seen points to it being real.
Your question doesn't truly follow from my post, but is malformed, in that it presupposes that I was referring to a part of the faith--I am not, I'm referring to the faith, the indivisible faith of Christ: that faith is only either alive or dead, but not in parts--that notion is derived from the traditions of men, not the words of God.Which part of the faith do people who believe in evolution not keep?
Still waiting for you to address the content of the video
I know I do not need your insults, if you cannot make your point without being rude I feel sorry for you.No the stupid comment was the, "Only a theory." you know how dumb a comment like that and just makes you look foolish. You don't have to accept evolution, but least try to keep up with what evolution ACTUALLY says.
There is no science to explain the Supernatural, yet we know it exists. It cannot be disproven- and we have many instances that are pretty close to being proof. Is the Universe finite or infinite? Is it still expanding? Are there other layers of the Universe, or dimensions? Science cannot prove everything, nor is it the answer to everything. There have been many findings in recent years that have scientists baffled and heading back to the drawing board because they are scientifically impossible, or contradict what we know about certain things, or thought we knew. Like why is the Moon rusting? There is no water on it. Scientists have no answers. God does. He laughs at us because He has all the answers.I find the evidence for evolution to be convincing. I find the insistent comparison between evolution and the first couple Genesis chapters to be a category mistake.
One is a religious document making claims about God, the world, and humanity (and the relation between the three). The main thrust of these claims is outside the purview of scientific investigation, i.e. metaphysics. The other is a theory based on data, i.e. physical phenomena. It's a category mistake and a sign of intellectual laziness and arrogance to not acknowledge and allow for the differences between the two.
I know I do not need your insults, if you cannot make your point without being rude I feel sorry for you.
Still waiting for you to address the content of the video
well as the cliche goes, were still monkeys, wether you like it or not. I accept the reality of the situation, and rather glory god in truth then hang on to lies for fear of the truth. I've read and researched evolution, everything that I've seen points to it being real.
Of course the word "destroy" does not appear.
You are arguing like someone who was told his forest will be left in cinders... and... you argue back with? That the word "fire" does not appear in the threat.. therefore it can not mean being destroyed........ hello?
Christianity today is in deep trouble. And, we see the very reason why online all the time these days. Its not arguing with objectivity. But arguing using imposed invented requirements that divert to only serve to distract away from the real issue that one wishes to deny.
Now.. How can Genesis 1:2 be possibly used as a threat by Jeremiah against rebellious Jews? If your meek rendering were to be applied? It sounds silly.
You keep failing to keep in mind, Jeremiah was confronting degenerate Jews. Jews who had become deeply hardened by habitual perversions in sinning. Murder was one of their sins. They needed to be clobbered by God with harsh reality to get through if it were to be done. You? You approach them with politically correct politeness. Totally out of touch with what Jeremiah had to deal with.
Its showing that Genesis 1:2 was an after effect! The Jews knowing Hebrew saw it as a severe and horrible Judgment coming upon them.
After quoting Genesis 1:2, Jeremiah needed to add something. It was to tell the Jews that they would not be utterly destroyed (for that was how the earth was found in Genesis 1:2)
27 For thus says the Lord, “The whole land shall be a desolation;
though I will not destroy it completely."
Read that?
Jeremiah was modifying the original intent of Genesis 1:2.
....though I will not destroy it completely."
For the Jews implicitly understood what the real meaning of "tohu wabohu" found in Genesis 1:2 meant. It was not a gentle .."empty and void." It was not some dainty words the Spirit moving Jeremiah was using...
It definitely indicated destruction! If not? Jeremiah would not have had to qualify his using of Genesis 1:2 by adding...
...though I will not destroy it completely."
Ready to be honest with me?
Your question doesn't truly follow from my post, but is malformed, in that it presupposes that I was referring to a part of the faith--I am not, I'm referring to the faith, the indivisible faith of Christ: that faith is only either alive or dead, but not in parts--that notion is derived from the traditions of men, not the words of God.
If I did not know God was real? And, lacked any personal sense of Him being real? I would be practically forced to accept the evolutionist's theory.
On the other hand.......
The problem young earth creationists are trapped in... They KNOW God is real. They do not care if you do not believe in creationism, because they know those who are devoid of a personal relationship with knowing God is real? (Its something they know experientially, not simply something they will tell themselves and others they believe, as to not loose respectability with others)... They are willing to look foolish before men. Because they know if God says the earth is only 7000 years old, it must be.
Problem is.... they failed to properly exegete the first chapter of Genesis and failed to see that a prehistoric creation was left in ruins, and that Genesis One speaks of the regeneration of the planet into becoming a new heavens and earth.
Both sides are blind to their own flaws in logic, but keenly aware of the flaws in logic of the one they oppose. It has for that reason become an unresolvable, never ending conflict... To objective outsiders who have sound doctrinal understanding it eventually must become an annoying bore to watch. For, both sides never evolve.
Hopefully rational minds will prevail, despite the clear challenges in understanding the complex theology behind scripture.
If we all understand that your opinion of evolution has no bearing at all on your salvation, things might go better. God judges you on other things, not evolution.
I've read a handfull of ideas that some theologians have proposed for how scripture might match or be supported by the theory of evolution. Sometimes I have trouble with interpretations of scripture related to end-times and creation, as both seem to reflect one another in that the beginning and end are "good".
Unfortunately, simplistic literalist readings are much more easy to understand, and having things like Ken hams creation museum with animatronic dinosaurs on a giant boat supported by a modern steel frame doesn't really help the general public of non-theologians and non-scientists.
I suppose the best I could do is, much like spreading the gospel, just try to educate people on geology where there is opportunity or where people have questions.
And unfortunately religious leaders are also put in a bind. Say the wrong thing and you could lose half your congregation, which equates to a loss of funding of missions or community projects or things that help the church grow.
I think that evolution does put scripture in a tough spot too though because if we take evolution to equate to a methodological naturalism, then it would eventually result in Jesus being a mere man, which, as someone mentioned above, would defeat the entire resurrection (how could a mere human rise from the dead or be born without a father, or how could Adam be formed of dust if he descended from prior humans?).
But surely there must be some solution between the embarrassing beliefs of believing in dinosaurs on a boat much like a tardis booth in which the inside of the boat is bigger than it's outside in order to fit the animals, and women being made of rib bones, talking snakes and hydro-tectonic plates bouncing around like ping pong balls etc. (I've literally laughed out loud) and the arguably harder alternative for many Christians of a godless atheism where we all have no hope in life and are just lost without purpose on an empty rock spinning in endless nothingness of space.
Maybe the body of Christ is destined to carry this baggage forever. Because sometimes with Christ, it's all or nothing.
Hopefully rational minds will prevail, despite the clear challenges in understanding the complex theology behind scripture.
"then hang on to lies for fear of the truth."
So scripture is lying?
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
The words used in Genesis were formlessness, confusion, unreality and emptiness and those do not make me think of a developed world that is then destroyed. There is not even a hint in there that there was a previous developed world.
"then hang on to lies for fear of the truth."
So scripture is lying?
Exodus 20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
nice job misinterpreting what I said, what I call lies are what creationists spread about evolution. Instead of arguing against what evolution actually says you rely in strawman and lies. I again see the truth of evolution, so it's either reject reality or reject god, I chose to accept and embrace reality. Wish creationists could.
God's Word is filled with surprises designed to expose our self confident ignorance. When exposed that can cause us to fear when confronted to see how stupid we can be. Yet, fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
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