- Feb 9, 2007
- 6,089
- 2,288
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- UK-Conservative
I do not believe in evolution, it is a logical conclusion drawn from the data available. it has nothing to do with belief, IMHO.
Upvote
0
-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Why do most other believers seem to hate OECs so much?
- Thread starter Lebesgue
- Start date
Nonsense 
Of course you BELIEVE in evolution. Scientists who accept in any theory (and yes, evolution is still a theory, abeit widely accepted and IMHP the right one) have to have a certain degree of faith in it or they'd be poking at it and testing it with all sorts of experiments. Belief is where you accept it and stop the experiments (for the most part). That is not to say, however, that belief does not require evidence.
Of course you BELIEVE in evolution. Scientists who accept in any theory (and yes, evolution is still a theory, abeit widely accepted and IMHP the right one) have to have a certain degree of faith in it or they'd be poking at it and testing it with all sorts of experiments. Belief is where you accept it and stop the experiments (for the most part). That is not to say, however, that belief does not require evidence.
Upvote
0
keith99
sola dosis facit venenum
Nonsense
If believing in Evolution requires Faith then so does believing that there will be Sunrise tommorrow.
Upvote
0
Yes and no, it requires belief, not faith. I think the billions upon billions of sunrises are ample EVIDENCE that the sun will rise again, plus the measurements of the angular momentum of the Earth on it's own rotational axis, plus the angular momentum of the Earth as it revolves around the sun. All things that have been measured by great scientists (Kepler made masses of observations, and Tycho Brahe as well, among others). We've observed celestial motion both from Earth and this century from space, as well. Belief and faith are not the same thing, but are easily confused.
Upvote
0
- Feb 9, 2007
- 6,089
- 2,288
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- UK-Conservative
Nonsense
The theory of evolution undergoes experimentation everyday across the world.....as does the theory of gravity, atomic theory, etc...
Upvote
0
For me personally, I have hit the point where I don't find it necessary to put out one dish of cat food and see which of my kitties is the fittest, lol. I certainly hope folks don't stop experimenting, we can always learn new things, but my interests are a little more mundane (solar energy is my research of choice).
Upvote
0
Paconious
Iconoclast
Nonsense
No one truly "believes" in evolution. The ones you claim that "believe" in evolution actually just embrace it. Fact is that evolution is a... fact. What you call "faith" in theory is actually a very educated, based on evidence supposition. Suppositions in science include the Atom, which we cant physically see, yet various experiments have allowed us to measure independent particles within atoms without looking at it. The electron- nucleus interactions (which we cannot see) is where we base all of modern chemistry. No one has seen a Graviton or a Higgs Boson, yet the standard model of physics has them listed and even has their spin jotted down. We have these assumptions because observations have been made which support their existence. In the end, all of the above is done taking in primary consideration the evidence presented. Faith does not require evidence. Scientific assumptions do.
Last edited:
Upvote
0
- Feb 9, 2007
- 6,089
- 2,288
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- UK-Conservative
I understand. Personally, I am very happy that evolution is tested everyday, it helps to build that "mountain of data".
Solar energy is a very cool area of study. Recently, on a business trip to Fontana, CA I drve by the Mojave desert solar array - I think it is used to focus sunlight and heat water. Very impressive!
Upvote
0
Exactly--but they accept it because of the evidence. I am differentiating between belief--which requires some degree of evidence--and faith, as in blind faith that is unsupported by anything other than "I said so."
@Molal--That is definitely a neat site to visit. My project is more chemical in nature. We were analyzing a heavy metal core (ruthenium) with two organic wings of 1-10-dinitrophenanthraline withe a long ligand we just called Wayne, after it's creator, Wayne Larsson. The core is excited by light, throwing out electrons and then the wings catch them, funnelling them into the ligand because it is so much more electronegative. From that we connected the molocule to a DNA wire and the flow of charged particles got us current
It's one of Harry Gray's projects.
Upvote
0
Paconious
Iconoclast
I agree with everything in that paragraph. I just abhor the word belief. To me at least, everytime i hear belief in science, i think of the wingnuts who claim that science is a religion. Imho, it is very important to draw those distinctions between blind faith and the kind of "belief" that you pointed out.
Upvote
0
- Feb 9, 2007
- 6,089
- 2,288
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- UK-Conservative
Exactly--but they accept it because of the evidence. I am differentiating between belief--which requires some degree of evidence--and faith, as in blind faith that is unsupported by anything other than "I said so."
@Molal--That is definitely a neat site to visit. My project is more chemical in nature. We were analyzing a heavy metal core (ruthenium) with two organic wings of 1-10-dinitrophenanthraline withe a long ligand we just called Wayne, after it's creator, Wayne Larsson. The core is excited by light, throwing out electrons and then the wings catch them, funnelling them into the ligand because it is so much more electronegative. From that we connected the molocule to a DNA wire and the flow of charged particles got us current
Well good luck, it sounds very interesting. I hope you return someday and let us know how it's going!
Upvote
0
Gracchus
Senior Veteran
- Dec 21, 2002
- 7,199
- 821
- Faith
- Pantheist
- Marital Status
- Single
- Politics
- US-Others
Nonsense
A theory, in science, is not a hunch, a guess, or a hypothesis, but a well-supported explanation of facts and observations. From facts, science works by reason and experiment to theory. Theory is as good as it gets.
But of course, the theory of evolution has been tested for nearly a hundred and fifty years.
Belief without evidence is called faith. Belief in the face of contradictory evidence is delusion. Belief in the logically impossible is religion.
Upvote
0
Except the parts that say you should stone your wife to death if she's not a virgin on your wedding night. They don't seem to demand 100% acceptance of that part. Choosy, arent' they. Honestly, considering how much of it they ignore, I don't think the Bible has one thing to do with their beliefs. It's entirely about conformism as near as i can figure.
Upvote
0
Another poster commented on the concept of scientific theories being "proven". (They are never proven.) But accepting that evolution is the correct explanation for the origin of species isn't anything like faith. Because of the massive amounts of evidence for evolution, faith isn't necessary. If no one accepts this then post here or PM me, to pick a small area, the evolution of modern humans from ancestral primates is undeniable.
I personally like Mark Twain's comment on faith: "Faith is believing what you know ain't so." The trouble though is that too many people don't know that their belief's "ain't so".
Upvote
0
N
Nathan45
Guest
a quibble, it doesn't say that: it says you can divorce your wife if she's not a virgin on your wedding night, and then she has the right to contest the divorce by claiming she is a virgin. But if she contests the divorce without evidence that she's a virgin, they stone her to death.
And if you actually read the newer books, this law isn't in effect...
Upvote
0
- Jun 18, 2006
- 3,856,284
- 52,673
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Baptist
- Marital Status
- Married
- Politics
- US-Republican
I hear ya, Lebesgue.
At least the SDA accepted your claim --- even though they didn't like it.
It's worse here for some, though. I get called everything but what I claim I am; and even though these atheists know what I stand for --- even better than my pastor does --- what I stand for isn't found anywhere else on the Internet; so, of course, I'm anything but.
If you can use Scripture to back up your claims here --- that's [somewhat] acceptable --- but Heaven help you if it's not found in their bible [the Internet].
Upvote
0
Similar threads
