Why do most christians not follow the 10 commandments?

curious mike said:

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

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What makes you think Christians are obligated to keep the sabbath?

bugkiller

curious mike said:

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

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Hi mike,

Perhaps it has something to do with some of what the Scriptures seem to teach us. There was a time when the 'church' was beginning to grow that a group of Jews and some of the new believers got into a discussion about what the new believers needed to do to be right in God's sight. The Jews, of course, were claiming that the new believers needed to be circumcised. Paul, along with some of the apostles went to Jerusalem and there was a council called where the issue was discussed and the final outcome was that the new believers were merely instructed to not eat certain meat and to abstain from idols. That's it! Paul then later wrote that keeping the law wasn't going to save anyone and was never intended to save anyone. The law was merely given that we would be convicted of our sin and understand our individual need for a Savior. Then Jesus himself said that loving God and loving others would fulfill all of the law and the prophets.

So, I think it good to understand that our keeping the law, while it is certainly not a bad thing, is not going to save us and never was going to save Israel either.

Secondly, I believe that there needs to be some understanding of just why God raised up a nation of people from the loins of Abraham. He gave them quite a few laws to follow, but even when He gave them the law, He never claimed that keeping it would gain anyone eternal salvation. We read in the books of the law that God made several promises to Israel concerning their keeping the law. All of those promises spoke of how God would see to it that they would have a good life here on the earth. Their crops would flourish, their women would be fertile and they would all have good health and their enemies would flee before them. Absolutely not one single word that keeping the law would gain them anything beyond their earthly deaths.

Finally, we see that Jesus explained that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was God's way of telling Israel that there was more to life than working themselves to death. That the human creature that God had created in man needed rest from time to time.

So, if your conscience prompts you to keep a Sabbath day, then I would encourage you to do that. But, if you believe that by keeping the law you will gain eternal life, then I'd encourage you to spend more time understanding what Jesus has done for you. Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Love others as yourself and things will go well with you. For in so doing you will have kept all of the law and the prophets.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

miamited said:

Hi mike,

Perhaps it has something to do with some of what the Scriptures seem to teach us. There was a time when the 'church' was beginning to grow that a group of Jews and some of the new believers got into a discussion about what the new believers needed to do to be right in God's sight. The Jews, of course, were claiming that the new believers needed to be circumcised. Paul, along with some of the apostles went to Jerusalem and there was a council called where the issue was discussed and the final outcome was that the new believers were merely instructed to not eat certain meat and to abstain from idols. That's it! Paul then later wrote that keeping the law wasn't going to save anyone and was never intended to save anyone. The law was merely given that we would be convicted of our sin and understand our individual need for a Savior. Then Jesus himself said that loving God and loving others would fulfill all of the law and the prophets.

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Hello,

In Acts 15:1, the issue being discussed was whether Gentiles had to become circumcised in order to become saved, so please either quote from where God's Law requires all Gentile to do this or agree that the Law does not contain that requirement. If you agree, then please explain why a ruling against requiring Gentiles to do something that the Law doesn't require should be taken as a ruling against Gentiles doing what the Law requires. While all Jews were required to become circumcised, not even Jews were required to do so in order to become saved. If you agree that the Law was given to reveal what sin is and you agree that we are required to refrain from what God has revealed to be sin, then you should agree that we are required to obey all of God's commands, not just four of them. For example, Paul said that he would not have known that coveting was a sin if it weren't for the Law (Romans 7:7), but the four laws listed in Acts 15:19-21 don't contain that prohibition, so do you think that the four laws are it or that we are also required to refrain from coveting and from doing everything else that the Law reveals to be sin? Rather, as stated, those four laws were intended not to make things difficult for new believers coming to faith, with the understanding that they would continue to learn about what would be required of them by hearing Moses taught every Sabbath in the synagogues, so this was never intended as an exhaustive list of everything that would be required of mature believers.

So, I think it good to understand that our keeping the law, while it is certainly not a bad thing, is not going to save us and never was going to save Israel either.

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I completely agree, but it does not follow that because we are not required to obey the Law for a purpose for which it was never given that therefore we aren't required to obey the Law for the many purposes for which it was given. The one and only way that there has ever been to become saved is by grace through faith and by the same grace through the same faith we are therefore required to be careful to obey all of God's commands.

Secondly, I believe that there needs to be some understanding of just why God raised up a nation of people from the loins of Abraham. He gave them quite a few laws to follow, but even when He gave them the law, He never claimed that keeping it would gain anyone eternal salvation. We read in the books of the law that God made several promises to Israel concerning their keeping the law. All of those promises spoke of how God would see to it that they would have a good life here on the earth. Their crops would flourish, their women would be fertile and they would all have good health and their enemies would flee before them. Absolutely not one single word that keeping the law would gain them anything beyond their earthly deaths.

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Again, I agree that the law was never given as instructions for how to gain eternal salvation. God did not require the Israelites to obey His Law before he would save them out of bondage in Egypt, but rather he saved them by faith first, then gave them instructions for how they should therefore live, so the Law is God's instructions for how those who have been saved are required to act. Israel was intended to be a light to the nations, to teach them about God and how to walk in His ways in accordance with His Law, and to thereby grow in a relationship with Him (Isaiah 2:2-3, Isaiah 49:6, Deuteronomy 4:5-8). Prosperity is the byproduct of the goal of the Law, not the goal itself because the goal of the Law is a relationship with Christ righteousness for everyone who has faith (Romans 10:4). There are many other verse that speak about the Mosaic Law as God's instructions for how to walk in His ways, such as Joshua 22:5, 1 Kings 2:1-3, and Psalms 103:1-8, so the goal is to teach us how to reflect the attributes of God and to thereby grow in a relationship with Him based on faith and love.

Finally, we see that Jesus explained that the Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. The Sabbath was God's way of telling Israel that there was more to life than working themselves to death. That the human creature that God had created in man needed rest from time to time.

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So the Sabbath is a precious gift made for us and given to us by God. It's about setting aside time to spend with Him and to grow in a relationship with Him as a community of believers. Should we spurn this priceless gift?

So, if your conscience prompts you to keep a Sabbath day, then I would encourage you to do that. But, if you believe that by keeping the law you will gain eternal life, then I'd encourage you to spend more time understanding what Jesus has done for you. Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Love others as yourself and things will go well with you. For in so doing you will have kept all of the law and the prophets.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

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We should obey God's commands regardless of whether or conscience prompts us to. In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus summarized the Law as being God's instructions for how He wants us to love Him and our neighbor, so love fulfills the Law because that is essentially what it is about how to do. However, it would be a mistake for someone to say that we should need to love so we can therefore disregard all of God's instructions for how He wants us to love.

Hi soyeong,

This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

As I said, if your conscience encourages you to keep the Sabbath, then by all means you should.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

miamited said:

Hi soyeong,

This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.”

As I said, if your conscience encourages you to keep the Sabbath, then by all means you should.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

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Hello,

This only says that all males who were part of Abraham's household or bought as slaves were required to become circumcised. It does not say that all Gentiles everywhere were required to become circumcised, nor does it say that those who were required to become circumcised were required to do so in order to become saved. Please try again. As I said, even if your conscious doesn't encourage you to keep the Sabbath, then you should keep anyway because you are required to refrain from what God has revealed to be sin.

Reasons why we don't adhere to 10 commandments is because we are VERY weak! I know that I am!

Antig said:

Reasons why we don't adhere to 10 commandments is because we are VERY weak! I know that I am!

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Repentance would be pointless if we needed to keep God's commands perfectly because it would already be too late, but rather God's commands come with instructions for what to do when we break them, so following God's commands is about seeking to obey them and repenting when we fail to keep them, not about perfect adherence. However, the issue here is why some Christians don't even believe that we should follow the 10 Commandments, as though following Christ's example means to reject that Law that he set a perfect example of how to follow.

curious mike said:

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

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Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the "law" and gave us a relationship with God born out of sonship, not ritual. So in this way every day is the Sabbath day, the day set aside for God because sonship is a daily event, even if we're not great sons. There is one thing I do practice is to have a non-working day a week - I find that recharges me so much, for everything. Faith, grace - not ritual. Hugs J

Jon Maguire said:

Jesus's death and resurrection fulfilled the "law" and gave us a relationship with God born out of sonship, not ritual. So in this way every day is the Sabbath day, the day set aside for God because sonship is a daily event, even if we're not great sons. There is one thing I do practice is to have a non-working day a week - I find that recharges me so much, for everything. Faith, grace - not ritual. Hugs J

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Hello,

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said he came to fulfill the Law, but there is nothing in that chapter that indicates that he was speaking about his death or resurrection and there is nothing that he said about his death and resurrection that would indicate that he was changing the Law, so there is no good reason to associate his death with fulfilling the Law. Rather, "to fulfill the Law" means "to cause God's will (as made known in the Law to be obeyed as it should be" (NAS 2c) and this is precisely what Jesus immediately proceeded to do six times throughout the rest of Matthew 5 by teaching how to correctly understand and obey the Law.

In Galatians 5:14, anyone who has ever loved their neighbor has fulfilled the entire Law, which is obeying it as it should be, and which does not refer to something unique that only Jesus did. Indeed, there is much talk about people fulfilling the Law in other Jewish writings. Likewise, in Galatians 6:2, it says that bearing one another's burdens fulfills the Law of Christ, which is obeying it as it should be, not to doing away with our need to obey it. In Romans 15:18-19, it says that Paul fulfilled the Gospel, which referred to bringing the Gentiles to full obedience in word and in deed, not to doing away with our need to obey the Gospel.

God could have have commanded that we take one day off a week, but He didn't - He commanded the 7th day to be set aside. Jesus also summarized the Law as being God's instructions for how to love Him and our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40), so at this point, it is a matter of whether we are going to have faith in God about which day to set aside or whether we are going to do what is right in own eyes, of whether we are going to take the attitude that we can love God in whatever way we want and He should be happy with what He gets or whether we are going to seek to love God in the way that He wants to be loved.

Anyone seen the OP lately?

bugkiller

bugkiller said:

Anyone seen the OP lately?

bugkiller

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curious mike? He's active - look at his profile and his last message.

curious mike said:

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

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What does YHVH Say about society ? About the whole world ? About the political and religious system "of the world" vs Christ Jesus ?
Look up those things and pm if you like.

For all those who said, posted, or just know they are weak, but want to follow Jesus, remember His Words, not man's words, and not what men say His Words are.
i.e.
do not take any man's word for what Jesus says.
You can hear Him , if you are His sheep. He says so, and He is perfectly faithful and truthful. Trust Jesus, not men. Follow Jesus, when you hear His Voice. (always , always, in line and perfect harmony with all His Word; always)

curious mike said:

I can't seem to find a single christian who follows the sabbath and I am not understanding why?

Jesus was Jew, he lived as a Jew, prayed as one in the Jewish synagogues, observed all Jewish holy days and traditions and he had said "obey my laws" which was referring to the 10 commandments. So guys, what possible reason does any christian have not to observe the sabbath please?

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Um have you met a Seventh-Day?

Mskriskris said:

Um have you met a Seventh-Day?

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Um, I have met several of many, and they don't. Not the ones I met anyway, and they don't 'care' it is different than they do - they explain why they don't instead .

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Um, I have met several of many, and they don't. Not the ones I met anyway, and they don't 'care' it is different than they do - they explain why they don't instead .

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And what was their explanation?

Mskriskris said:

And what was their explanation?

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Simple. Like most errors .
"We can't", or "We just don't do it that way" , "Our tradition instead of what is written" , "If we did that, as it is written, we would lose over half our members",
and so on...

OP: Q: ..."Why do most CHRIST-FOLLOWERS not follow the 10 commandments? (Mosaic Law)?...

A: Their "free will" of the "old man" chooses to grieve and quench God the Holy Spirit, and they follow their "sin nature".

No one naturally wants to obey God the Cosmic Kill-Joy, the giver of the Big No-No's.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

What does YHVH Say about society ? About the whole world ? About the political and religious system "of the world" vs Christ Jesus ?
Look up those things and pm if you like.

For all those who said, posted, or just know they are weak, but want to follow Jesus, remember His Words, not man's words, and not what men say His Words are.
i.e.
do not take any man's word for what Jesus says.
You can hear Him , if you are His sheep. He says so, and He is perfectly faithful and truthful. Trust Jesus, not men. Follow Jesus, when you hear His Voice. (always , always, in line and perfect harmony with all His Word; always)

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...and deeds.