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why do jews reject jesus?

do jews reject jesus?

  • yes jews do reject jesus.

  • jews don't reject jesus.

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The old testment english translation of the tanakh. does not contain all the writings of the prophets from the tanakh

I'm really not sure I understand what this means.

The Christian Old Testament, at the very least, contains everything in the Jewish Tanakh. Traditional Protestant Bibles that retained the Deuterocanonicals, Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Bibles, etc still contain more than the Tanakh (the Deuterocanonicals); but no Christian Old Testament contains less than the Tanakh.

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Well to me every person who truly seeks to know the truth will do what the bible says to do, (And that is to search the scriptures).
This is the main reason why many people read the old testament English translation of the Tanakh, "and then look in the Tanakh (Hebrew text)", to see how well it lines up with the old testament (English translation), "This is Good but it should not be to prove the the English translation of the Tanakh wrong.
The English translations of the tanahk where done by biblical scholars.

How many people here are scholars of the bible translation and have a master degree in Hebrew language or Arabic ?.

I am still waiting for all the people here who claim that Jesus being the messiah is false based on writings from the tanakh from the prophets, to show me theses writings from the tanakh that they say prove that Jesus was not the messiah
 
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Here are some of the prophecies that are currently unfulfilled. There are others but I'll hit the big ones that we all can easily recognize have not happened.

Worship of HaShem alone; all idols destroyed. Isaiah 2:11-17

The knowledge of HaShem will cover the world as the water covers the sea. Isaiah 11:9

All of the Jewish people will live in Israel. Isaiah 11:12

There will be universal peace. Isaiah 2:4 (and many other places)


These things have not happened. There cannot be The Messiah until these things happen from a Jewish point of view. Christians tell me that Jesus is coming back to do these things. Until he does, I will not recognize him as The Messiah.
 
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That does not prove Jesus was not the messiah.

There will be universal peace. Isaiah 2:4 (and many other places) my answer to this is Jesus wanted peace.

All of the Jewish people will live in Israel. Isaiah 11:12 my answer to this is Jesus was the new way, nor Jew nor gentile Jesus made no distinction. And why would you not except this teaching of the love from Jesus.

The knowledge of HaShem will cover the world as the water covers the sea. Isaiah 11:9. My answer to this is what does this have to do with the coming of Jesus.


Worship of HaShem alone; all idols destroyed. Isaiah 2:11-17 my answer to this is Jesus was God in the flesh and Jesus only taught love not war, again why would you not except love and the the good teachings of Jesus ?.

Is that the best you have to offer ?
 
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That does not prove Jesus was not the messiah.

There will be universal peace. Isaiah 2:4 (and many other places) my answer to this is Jesus wanted peace.
I want peace. Am I the Messiah? The prophecy is that there will be peace, not that people will want peace.
All of the Jewish people will live in Israel. Isaiah 11:12 my answer to this is Jesus was the new way, nor Jew nor gentile Jesus made no distinction. And why would you not except this teaching of the love from Jesus.
All the more reasons for me to suspect he isn't the Messiah. The Tanach makes the distinction between Israel and everybody else. People might not think it is fair, but it does. We aren't better than anybody else, but we're the ones bound to the Torah.
The knowledge of HaShem will cover the world as the water covers the sea. Isaiah 11:9. My answer to this is what does this have to do with the coming of Jesus.
Good point. The Messiah is supposed to come when that happens and it hasn't happened. Jesus isn't the Messiah then.
Worship of HaShem alone; all idols destroyed. Isaiah 2:11-17 my answer to this is Jesus was God in the flesh and Jesus only taught love not war, again why would you not except love and the the good teachings of Jesus ?.
Jesus didn't teach anything that Jewish rabbis at the time weren't teaching with the exception of needing to follow him. I don't believe Jesus was HaShem.
Is that the best you have to offer ?

Is the best I have to offer that Jesus failed to meet the messianic task set forth in the Tanach? Yes, because that shows nobody has met it yet and nobody can be The Messiah.
 
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everyone should be bound to the torah, that is why the gentile is not complete yet but Isiah 53 clearly reveals Jesus is the messiah.

Isaiah 53:3-12

3 We despised him and rejected him;
he endured suffering and pain.
No one would even look at him
we ignored him as if he were nothing.

4 “But he endured the suffering that should have been ours,
the pain that we should have borne.
All the while we thought that his suffering
was punishment sent by God.
5 But because of our sins he was wounded,
beaten because of the evil we did.
We are healed by the punishment he suffered,
made whole by the blows he received.
6 All of us were like sheep that were lost,
each of us going his own way.
But the Lord made the punishment fall on him,
the punishment all of us deserved.

7 “He was treated harshly, but endured it humbly;
he never said a word.
Like a lamb about to be slaughtered,
like a sheep about to be sheared,
he never said a word.
8 He was arrested and sentenced and led off to die,
and no one cared about his fate.
He was put to death for the sins of our people.
9 He was placed in a grave with those who are evil,
he was buried with the rich,
even though he had never committed a crime
or ever told a lie.”

10 The Lord says,
“It was my will that he should suffer;
his death was a sacrifice to bring forgiveness.
And so he will see his descendants;
he will live a long life,
and through him my purpose will succeed.
11 After a life of suffering, he will again have joy;
he will know that he did not suffer in vain.
My devoted servant, with whom I am pleased,
will bear the punishment of many
and for his sake I will forgive them.
12 And so I will give him a place of honor,
a place among the great and powerful.
He willingly gave his life
and shared the fate of evil men.
He took the place of many sinners
and prayed that they might be forgiven.

All this happened to the build up to the cross and after the cross.
 
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everyone should be bound to the torah, that is why the gentile is not complete yet but Isiah 53 clearly reveals Jesus is the messiah.

We believe Isaiah 53 talks about Israel not the Messiah. Leading up to Isaiah 53, Isaiah states that the servant of HaShem is Israel. At no time does Isaiah state the servant is anything else. Since there were no chapter numbers or verses in the original text, Isaiah 53 does not sit separate from Isaiah 52, 51, etc.

You want to be bound to the Torah? You desire to keep Shabbat and not work on Saturdays? To not have bacon and shellfish or a cheeseburger? I doubt you wish to be bound to it.
 
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the sabbath as you put it is not being bound. I don't know how you could say following the commandments is being bound you should know this if you where a Jew.

Are you Jewish by birth ? because some of the things your saying sounds like someone who is in denial. or someone who is practicing Judaism and not fully clued up.

this is what you wrote LoAmmi .. All the more reasons for me to suspect he isn't the Messiah. The Tanach makes the distinction between Israel and everybody else. People might not think it is fair, but it does. We aren't better than anybody else, but we're the ones bound to the Torah.
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I thought you ment bound in a good way LoAmmi my mistake sorry
 
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What do you suppose I mean when I say Jews are bound to the Torah? It is our obligation though the Covenant at Sinai to keep the Torah throughout every generation. It is ours through that Covenant. It is a gift more precious than silver, as King David puts it.
 
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I dont know what you mean by bound, perhaps you could tell me,? but i just assumed you meant Good.
But it seems you think i meant bad when i used your term Bound, you where the first to use the word bound here.

God says he will Judge the Jews by there faith, to have faith means to see Good as you should know if your a Jew the farther wants you to be good too. Shalom God listens to the prayers of the righteous. righteous means to do good deeds and do the right things and have faith.
But he will not listen to the prayers of the people of unrighteousness.

He wont just listen to the prayers of the righteous he will answer there prayers.

Like Jesus says pray to him and he will listen.

So the best thing to do is Good because you never know when you will need to call on the farther.
 
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Isiah 53 speaks about a he,

Do you understand that he does not mean the whole of Israel in Isiah 53, are you sure that Jews see Isiah 53 as a prophesy about Israel only, or is that your own interpretation or someone elses belief on the internet ?


Isaiah 53:3-12


3 We despised him and rejected him;
he endured suffering and pain.
No one would even look at him—
we ignored him as if he were nothing.

4 “But he endured the suffering that should have been ours,
the pain that we should have borne.
All the while we thought that his suffering
was punishment sent by God.
5 But because of our sins he was wounded,
beaten because of the evil we did.
We are healed by the punishment he suffered,
made whole by the blows he received.
6 All of us were like sheep that were lost,
each of us going his own way.
But the Lord made the punishment fall on him,
the punishment all of us deserved.

7 “He was treated harshly, but endured it humbly;
he never said a word.
Like a lamb about to be slaughtered,
like a sheep about to be sheared,
he never said a word.
8 He was arrested and sentenced and led off to die,
and no one cared about his fate.
He was put to death for the sins of our people.
9 He was placed in a grave with those who are evil,
he was buried with the rich,
even though he had never committed a crime
or ever told a lie.”

10 The Lord says,
“It was my will that he should suffer;
his death was a sacrifice to bring forgiveness.
And so he will see his descendants;
he will live a long life,
and through him my purpose will succeed.
11 After a life of suffering, he will again have joy;
he will know that he did not suffer in vain.
My devoted servant, with whom I am pleased,
will bear the punishment of many
and for his sake I will forgive them.
12 And so I will give him a place of honor,
a place among the great and powerful.
He willingly gave his life
and shared the fate of evil men.
He took the place of many sinners
and prayed that they might be forgiven.




re-read this scripture it clearly mention him and he, Israel is a whole nation, which is a plural of he and him
 
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Bound means we are tied to it. I view it as a good thing but it comes with obligations. It is a contract between us and HaShem. It is the commandments we must follow.
amen i can not argue with that. but also bound in a bad sense can mean in chains, (If some one has a hold on you break the chains of oppression, and trust in God.
 
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Read Hosea 11:1 and see Israel referred to as him. The servant in previous chapters of Isaiah have both singular and plural. Plus, death should be deaths as it is plural in Hebrew. Can one man have deaths?
was not Jacob called Isreal are you sure that was talking about Jacob.
 
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I have a few. I tend to go to chabad.org to start.

I am sure it isn't about jacob. He was never called from Egypt.check out Isaiah 43 10 for a passage where Israel refers to the collective nation.
I am sure is not a 100 percent certain. thanks for clarification.


what makes you think Isiah 43:10 is related to Hosea 11:1. ? again can you tell me which English translations you use.
 
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Read Hosea 11:1 and see Israel referred to as him. The servant in previous chapters of Isaiah have both singular and plural. Plus, death should be deaths as it is plural in Hebrew. Can one man have deaths?
here you can see in Isaiah 40:1-3 Isreal is refereed to as a she, sorry but your argument for Isreal is a he is floored


Comfort for God’s people

40 Comfort, comfort my people,
says your God.
2 Speak tenderly to Jerusalem,
and proclaim to her
that her hard service has been completed,
that her sin has been paid for,
that she has received from the Lord’s hand
double for all her sins.
 
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