Why do I post here?

[k4c]

Being in the faith means, as K4C stated, being in the truth that has been given. To go where the Lamb leads... the protestant denominations closed their doors to the three angels message in 1842. They were not willing to follow God into an understanding of the truth that was being given at that time.

Amen...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Is it true that there are none who understand? If so, does it follow that there are none who are "in the truth" or "in the faith?" Admittedly, I'm having a hard time with this concept.

Don't where you got that from...

Prov 28:5
Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Isa 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Dan 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

Roman 1:28-31
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Col 1:9
For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

Rev 13:18
Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Do you view non-SDA protestant denominations (i.e. Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc.) as being "the daughters of the harlot" as described in Revelation?

Yes I do...

 

[stinsonmarri]

How does a person go about "making it?"

BFA

BFA

Following after Abraham who kept Yahweh's charge, His Word, His Commands, Statues and Judgments. Happy is a man who keep His Commandments and in the end will enter or make it into the kingdom prepared for all the righteous.

Blessing and Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

Can you explain, in detail, how the Word became flesh?

How about the Trinity?

Can you tell where and whats going on in Tartarus?

k4c:

Can you explain, in detail, how the Word became flesh?

Yahweh prepared His Son's fleshly body and the Holy Spirit placed it into Mary's womb

But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Yahweh appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. Mat 1:20

Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of Elohim. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:13, 14

Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: Heb 10:5

He was made just like Adam before Adam sinned.

How about the Trinity?

The Bible does not teach the Trinity which it is taught and believed that They have three personalities but are one. That is a split personality and they are not a person which means human beings. They are individual Supreme Beings that work together as one like a husband and wife was made to do. I cannot supply Scriptures on this forum because of the rules. However there is an unorthodox theology forum about the trinity and I have provided Scriptures on that one.

Can you tell where and whats going on in Tartarus?

Tartarus is a Greek word that simply means deep place and it there are two places that are deep. When in the earth is the ocean floor that it is so deep and cold that man has not found a vehicle to be able to stand the pressure to go down that far. The other place that is deep and that is outer space and man is also limited as well. However the Greek used this word in their mythology which really is a lie wrap around the truth!

Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? Job 38:16

Do you bind the bands of Kimah (Pleiades), or loosen the cords of Kesil (Orion)? Do you bring out the constellations in its season? Or do you lead the Bear with its sons? Do you know the laws of the heavens? Or do you set their rule over the earth? Job 38:31-33 Scriptures 1998+ Version


Blessings and Happy Sabbath'
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

What do we do with the reality that there are none who understand? Does this mean that there are none who are "in the faith?"



Is there something that might cause them to later be "out of the faith?"

BFA

BFA:

Faith without actions (work) or proving obedience to Yahweh's Commands you are dead. Talk is cheap action speaks louder than words haven't you heard?

Blessings and Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

You probably misunderstood me so I'll post it again.

Kkc4:

You cannot earn salvation but you still have to obey. Yashua talked about salvation dealing with wages the first one worked all day recieve the same pay for those who came in at the last hour. Equality with Yahweh is measured out not like man. Our bodies become living sacrifices and that mean we must obey what ever the cost like Rehab, Ruth, Abraham, Noah who all had faith but they acted on their faith. Faith means "a duty to fulfill one's trust." It is an action word not something you get and over night you just change you must excercise your faith! Obey live -disobey die!

Blessings and Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

I'm having a difficult time reconciling your view with K4C's. That's no problem -- we don't all see eye to eye on everything.

Why do you connect being "in the faith" to being "in the truth?"

Is it true that there are none who understand? If so, does it follow that there are none who are "in the truth" or "in the faith?" Admittedly, I'm having a hard time with this concept.

Do you view non-SDA protestant denominations (i.e. Methodists, Presbyterians, Baptists, etc.) as being "the daughters of the harlot" as described in Revelation?
BFA

BFA:

The SDA has the same problem that the Jews had that they are the only chosen ones. SDA was given a message to preach to all the world and the message has not change but SDA has. They have become bigots and think as did the Jews that you must be like them in order to get into the kingdom! I can name you a lot of people who were not Jews or Israelites who knew Elohim and some were His prophet. That is not IJ message to pick who is saved or lost it was to prepare a people to build up the wall and waste places. We have become like all Protestants claiming we are the righteous church. The Church is like five wise who was praying indiviudally and was prepared. But the five foolish were judging and pointing fingers but was not prepared themselves.
The Jews had a nerve to put a partition between them and the Greeks in the courtyard of the Temple. Yahweh did not command that nor gave any instruction on that wise if so show it to me! I will not name a church but all who will not obey the truth will become harlots. Prostestant includes SDA so who are they to judge that's Yahweh's job! That is what the IJ message is all about and that is Yahweh will judge and Yashua will plead on behalf of the righteous and these faithful ones will have their names written in the Book of Life.
The sheep from all religions which includes Hindu and all the rest will have the opportunity to hear and obey the commands of Yahweh that's His voice and not our vain talking. It will be during the Time of Trouble because the Wise will understand and teach them. There will be a great multitude from ever nation, demomination, and religion who will make a choice and obey. My prayer is that I be ready to do Yahweh's work and proclaim the message not by a doctrine or Church but by my faith. My faith as a SDA is about the message of the IJ which includes the prophesies of both Daniel and Revelation and there is a lot we must all stop doing! There will be two foes the harlot riding the beast and the beast/man himself. The harlot will have her harlots and the city Jerusalem (Babylon). The beast/man wll have those ten kings of the earth who are not kings yet, and the false prophet who will make an image that will speak. The beast/man will have the power that no one including the harlot cannot buy or sell unless you have his mark. Beast and the harlot will fight the final earth battle. Read Revelation Five through 18 along with Daniel 7-12 because they go hand in hand.
Finally we need to stop pointing fingers at each other and make sure individually that our name is found in the Book of Life. Churches can not save you but Yashua can!

Blessings and Happy Sabbath
stinsonmarri

 

[k4c]

Kkc4:

You cannot earn salvation but you still have to obey.

Blessings and Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

You're preaching to the choir...

 

[k4c]

Is it true that there are none who understand? If so, does it follow that there are none who are "in the truth" or "in the faith?" Admittedly, I'm having a hard time with this concept.

BFA

We have to be careful how we make blanket applications of verses as though they apply to everyone for all time. There are none who understand and there are none who do right, maybe at the time it was said and who it was said to and what needed to be understood has to be figured into the equation but there are those who do understand and there are those who do what is right. Maybe not a complete understanding of all things and may they don't do what is right all the time but there are time they do.

 

[stinsonmarri]

kc4:

I am sorry but I was addressing it to all of the forum and not you personally.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

 

[k4c]

kc4:

I am sorry but I was addressing it to all of the forum and not you personally.

Happy Sabbath,
stinsonmarri

Sorry about that...

 

[Byfaithalone1]

We have to be careful how we make blanket applications of verses as though they apply to everyone for all time.

I couldn't agree more. For example, we shouldn't conclude that the covenant that was from Sinai was for everyone for all of time, especially when the Bible confirms that the command was given to get rid of it.

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Yes I do...

Thanks for the confirmation that you believe that non-SDA protestant denominations are daughters of the harlot.

So, do you also believe that -- unless a protestant ultimately accepts the unique doctrines of the SDA denomination -- the person will not be a part of "the remnant?"

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Following after Abraham who kept Yahweh's charge, His Word, His Commands, Statues and Judgments. Happy is a man who keep His Commandments and in the end will enter or make it into the kingdom prepared for all the righteous.

So "making it" is (or will be) contingent upon the law?

Talk is cheap action speaks louder than words haven't you heard?

I may have misunderstood, but this sounds a bit like the concept of "cheap grace" that I often hear about. I just can't seem to find anything cheap about Christ's grace. The price was very high. The actions that matter most to me are His, not my own.

They have become bigots and think as did the Jews that you must be like them in order to get into the kingdom!

Wow! Well, that may be true for some . . .

But the five foolish were judging and pointing fingers but was not prepared themselves.

What did they need to be prepared . . . the law or the Spirit?

The sheep from all religions which includes Hindu and all the rest will have the opportunity to hear and obey the commands of Yahweh that's His voice and not our vain talking.

Cool! This is quite a contrast from our friend ECR who believes that all non-SDA protestant churches are daughters of the harlot.

Finally we need to stop pointing fingers at each other and make sure individually that our name is found in the Book of Life.

My name was written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world.

Churches can not save you but Yashua can!

An excellent point. Human obedience also cannot save you.

BFA

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Cool! This is quite a contrast from our friend ECR who believes that all non-SDA protestant churches are daughters of the harlot.

What or whom do you suppose the daughters are? What is the purpose of the second angels message to come out of her my people?

You know my belief BFA, as it is traditional Adventist belief... what do you believe these things are?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

My name was written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world.

1 Cor 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[David Conklin]

>especially when the Bible confirms that the command was given to get rid of it.

OH?!?

 

[stinsonmarri]

I couldn't agree more. For example, we shouldn't conclude that the covenant that was from Sinai was for everyone for all of time, especially when the Bible confirms that the command was given to get rid of it.

BFA

BFA:

Provide the Scripture that says that the command was given to get rid of. Do not try to change it with the law I want to see command or commandments and also from Sinai!!!!

Blessings,
stinsonmarri

 

[stinsonmarri]

BFA:​

Here are my responses to your comments:​

"making it" is (or will be) contingent upon the law?​

Do you have a job? If so can do what you please on your job? Do you own a car can you own it without following the agreement of paying for it? Are you married? If so aren't there rules you have adhere to in your marriage or can you do as you please. Do you have children? If so can they do as they please without any specific provisions you require of them? Do you live in a society? Can do as you please, like steal, murder or do without considering others around you? To all of these questions you know you can't. Yet, you think that you can take the government of Yahweh and say you don't need it! The law broken down at Sinai is because man kept on sinning so Yahweh made them simple that even a child could understand. Abraham was not at Sinai nether was Adam, Cain, Nimrod, Noah and on and on and on! Have you not hear what sin is? It is breaking the law which is the one that you see posted in some of the court house. You want to have something for nothing that is what robbers do! Yes in order to make it you must obey Yahweh's charge, commandments, statues and judgments.

I may have misunderstood, but this sounds a bit like the concept of "cheap grace" that I often hear about. I just can't seem to find anything cheap about Christ's grace. The price was very high. The actions that matter most to me are His, not my own.
Not once did you read the word grace from my comments so please don't say things I did not say. Do you know what grace is because I really don't think you do? Grace is a favor plain and simple and it is was given because you have done something wrong-we all have sin and broke Yahweh's commandments, His charge, His statues and judgments. He accepted as a temporary favor sacrifices and oblations until the real Lamb came and died. But in order to stay in favor with Yahweh you must obey Him by keeping His charge, commandments, statues and judgments.
BFA why can't you see that if you come under man's law you might receive favor and you might not it depends. But with Yahweh the favor is given once you confess your sins and obey what Yashua told Mary and that is go and sin no more! If you don't sin you won't break His, charge, commandments, statues, and judgments.

Wow! Well, that may be true for some . . . ​

That is true for all churches, religions in the past and today. Christians put down the Muslims as terrorist but they are the same way. Their way or belief is the right way. The right way is to live right obey and keep Yahweh's commands, charge, statues, and judgments and all other religions will see justice and truth by your actions.

What did they need to be prepared . . . the law or the Spirit?​

What did Yashua say the Holy Spirit would come to do after He left and returned to Heaven? The Holy Spirit comes to lead you into ALL TRUTH! The five foolish were suppose to be believers instead they were bigots, zealots, thinking they had Yahweh's favor, thought they were saved, thought they did not have to keep His commands, thought they can be saved by just believing and not putting it to action!

Cool! This is quite a contrast from our friend ECR who believes that all non-SDA protestant churches are daughters of the harlot.​

The harlot is anyone who pretends to accept the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but denies the Father's government. Cannot have a government without laws or there will be chaos like what's happening in the world today. No I don't agree with ECR neither do I agree with you as well or anyone who thinks we can do Yahweh's job. He is the judge and not any of us, we are to plant the seed of love, truth, kindness, and obedience. I also clearly said no one should point fingers at anyone that includes you and me about ECR.

My name was written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world. ​

Yes your name and my name and other names are there but as the Bible says they can be blotted out! If anyone thinks that they have a passage to Yahweh's kingdom without obeying Him they are in for a big surprise. Do you honestly think that Yahweh allowed His Son to die so man could have access to the new kingdom without having laws. Satan thought he too was holy and did not need any laws and look what happen to him. Our holiness is nothing but filthy rags and Yashua cannot dwell in any unclean heart. Yes His blood is sufficient but only to those who will keep His Father's commandments!

An excellent point. Human obedience also cannot save you.​

BFA you are not making any sense because Humans have to obey or they will die. When you break human laws you can walk around with a great big smile right? Wrong! Human Beings ticket to Heaven and the new earth is base on condition of love and if you love you will not have a problem in obeying. All contracts if broken you lose the prize simple!

Blessing
stinsonmarri