Why Do Christians Want Creationism Taught In Public Schools?

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

nostalga maybe and yes it did have problems but how can those problems compare to what exists today. i believe in women having rights that are god given, i do not believe in predjudice, nor do i believe in smearing innocent people but i also do not c
believe in abortion, gay rights beyond normal civil liberties,or genocide

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

gay rights beyond normal civil liberties,

what do you mean by this?

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

i believe that they are entitled to vote, hold jobs and live life as they see fit but i do not believe in gay marriage

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

and how is marriage not a civil liberty?

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

between a man and a woman it is but this is off the subject and one we really shouldnt debate as we will both hang on to what we believe. i respect your right to your opinion but i cant agree with it if that is what you are getting at.

Arikay · Jan 8, 2005

And it really comes down to where you set your priorities.

Abortion happened before it was legal but I can see how it could be considered a moral downturn for those that don't believe in it. Gay rights seems to be the biggest, it seems like people think that if we accept gay rights, it trumps all the immoral things we have done in the past. Personally I think christians people should be more worried about the bible belt holding the highest divorce rate second to Vegas, but it is often easier to blame others.

Genocide? Exactly how are we supporting genocide that we didn't in the past?

Again, how is the removal of the word God from some public things seriously effecting our morals? Can the removal of God be linked to a downturn in morals?

bill16652 said:
nostalga maybe and yes it did have problems but how can those problems compare to what exists today. i believe in women having rights that are god given, i do not believe in predjudice, nor do i believe in smearing innocent people but i also do not c
believe in abortion, gay rights beyond normal civil liberties,or genocide

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 8, 2005

bill16652 said:
can you look at life in the 50's and early 60's and not say it was a more moral nation. can you nor say that it was better as a country. there are reasons for this and they are many but some are the degrading of what is taught, the decline in churchs (by the way i think that is the churchs fault), tasking god out of everything public, and a degradation of what we the people will elect and put up with

More moral? Perhaps on the surface or in the memories of the nostalgic.

Arikay · Jan 8, 2005

I think gay marriage is an interesting example of exactly how subjective it is. Many see it as a moral downturn in society, but I think that in 50 years we will look back and see the banning of gay marriage as an immoral act just like we look back at segregation.
In the past, when interracial marriage was finally allowed, some saw that as a sign the world was going to hell in a handbasket, but now, to say interracial marriage should be banned, is considered immoral and racist.

Da_Funkey_Gibbon · Jan 8, 2005

Yeah, my motto with all of this church and state stuff is "Look to your front" Don't concern yourself with trying to stop other people from being sinners, (God wants willing followers, if he wanted sinners to be persecuted he would do it himself.) just make sure YOU are on the right path.

fragmentsofdreams · Jan 8, 2005

bill16652 said:
nostalga maybe and yes it did have problems but how can those problems compare to what exists today. i believe in women having rights that are god given, i do not believe in predjudice, nor do i believe in smearing innocent people but i also do not c
believe in abortion, gay rights beyond normal civil liberties,or genocide

The problems were there, just hidden. Teens still had sex (although at probably a lower rate). When they got pregnant, the teenage girls were either sent away for a while to give the baby up for adoption or for an abortion. This allowed the community to ignore the problem. Divorce was not common, but adultery was.

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

I think gay marriage is an interesting example of exactly how subjective it is. Many see it as a moral downturn in society, but I think that in 50 years we will look back and see the banning of gay marriage as an immoral act just like we look back at segregation.
In the past, when interracial marriage was finally allowed, some saw that as a sign the world was going to hell in a handbasket, but now, to say interracial marriage should be banned, is considered immoral and racist.

well said

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

when we started down this road of taking god out of everything we were a more moral people, did people still sin, yes, but it was not tolorated or looked on favorably, there was a moral deterrent as well as society itself. does god forgive, certainly, but it is much better to do nothing that we need forgiveness for. as far as slavery and segregation that was not morally right nor was it biblical, gay rights on the other hand and the whole issue of homosexuality is definitely a biblical no no

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

before i catch flack on that last one let me clarify that i mean marriage is defined as between a man and a woman

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

gay rights on the other hand and the whole issue of homosexuality is definitely a biblical no no

depends on your interpretation
do you eat shellfish? pork?
also banned in leviticus
do you follow all of leviticus or leave out the stuff you'd rather not comply with
jesus said to sell all your belongings
did you do that yet?

justifying bigotry through the bible isn't cool

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

i am not a bigot as i have talked with (not to) many gay people and have some as my friends, one i know has been gay since high school but is in his 50s now. he believes as i do and has abstained all those years and is a church and community leader

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

saying that gays do not deserve the civil liberties straight people deserve based on some passaged in the bible kind of leads me to believe that you are a bigot
whether you consider yourself one or not

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

i consider myself a follower of god and if man goes against what he says then i cannot support it. by the way only the law is in levititcus but there are many passages that tell of gods displeasure with homosexuality

Arikay · Jan 8, 2005

Slavery and segragation might not be morally right or biblically supported, but that happened when God was more in the state than it is now.

So we can see that no matter where the word God was, it was the persons choice to pay attention to what it really ment. The removal of God or the inserting of God doesn't change how people think.

Divorce is generally a biblical no no as well, but as I mentioned the bible belt holds the highest divorce rate second to vegas, where are the people shouting at divorce? IMHO as far as morals is concerned the legal acceptance of a sin is less than the hypocritical actions and sins that some christian groups commit in the name of God. In which case, it might be concluded that the removal of the word God has prevented sins, by preventing more people from using him as a tool.

bill16652 said:
when we started down this road of taking god out of everything we were a more moral people, did people still sin, yes, but it was not tolorated or looked on favorably, there was a moral deterrent as well as society itself. does god forgive, certainly, but it is much better to do nothing that we need forgiveness for. as far as slavery and segregation that was not morally right nor was it biblical, gay rights on the other hand and the whole issue of homosexuality is definitely a biblical no no

robot23 · Jan 8, 2005

god also shows displeasure for a lot of other things, like adultery
so do you oppose adulterers from marrying?
would you deny their civil liberties as well?
according to the bible its a sin just like homosexuality

psalms 91 · Jan 8, 2005

i agree that as christians we must walk the walk otherwise why would anyone want to come to christ. they have to see something different in us and say what you will this country was morally a better country. without sin no and some were pretty bad but as a whole it was better. by the way the divorce rate was a lot lower then when sex wasnt glorified and we werent told to do it if it felt good. to bad they dont tell you the conciquences of some of those actions.

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