Why Do Christians Want Creationism Taught In Public Schools?

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

Electric Sceptic said:
That's false, too. I asked for information on this "Law of Causation" and then when he supplied information corrected him, stating that there is no "Law of Causation".

You ARE lying, since I dodged nothing.

From the site already quoted: http://www.bright.net/~jclarke/kant/analogy2.html

"Section 3B) Second Analogy: Principle of Succession in Time in Accordance with the Laws of Causality (p. 218)"

You're allowed to use your understanding of language and context to go ahead and address an issue without going around and around about definitions. This appears to me to be what you have done.

I see you finally broke down and brought up quantum mechanics now, saying it falsifies causation. I would enjoy a more complete explanation of what you mean by that. Are you speaking of uncertainty principle or are you speaking of smearing out as the universe approached supposedly being a singularity, or what exactly are you talking about, assuming you understand my questions at all?

Electric Sceptic · Mar 1, 2005

Shane Roach said:
From the site already quoted: http://www.bright.net/~jclarke/kant/analogy2.html

"Section 3B) Second Analogy: Principle of Succession in Time in Accordance with the Laws of Causality (p. 218)"

Ah. So your source for the existence of the "Laws of Causality" (whatever they may be) is a philosophical work over 200 years old? Forgive me if I don't find this authoritative.

Shane Roach said:
You're allowed to use your understanding of language and context to go ahead and address an issue without going around and around about definitions. This appears to me to be what you have done.

And I would have...had his meaning been clear. I STILL don't know what the "law of causality" states.

Shane Roach said:
I see you finally broke down and brought up quantum mechanics now, saying it falsifies causation. I would enjoy a more complete explanation of what you mean by that. Are you speaking of uncertainty principle or are you speaking of smearing out as the universe approached supposedly being a singularity, or what exactly are you talking about, assuming you understand my questions at all?

I'm speaking of the fact that quantum mechanics features events without causes. Or did you not know that, assuming you understand my statement at all?

ChristianCenturion · Mar 1, 2005

Electric Sceptic said:
Evolution is not a religion. Consult any dictionary.

Possibly, but unless you have powers that I am unaware of, I am free to refer to it as I please... thanks for the attempted clarification anyways.

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

Electric Sceptic said:
Ah. So your source for the existence of the "Laws of Causality" (whatever they may be) is a philosophical work over 200 years old? Forgive me if I don't find this authoritative.

And I would have...had his meaning been clear. I STILL don't know what the "law of causality" states.

We're talking about causation, which moments ago you seemed to have finally caught on to.

Electric Sceptic said:
I'm speaking of the fact that quantum mechanics features events without causes. Or did you not know that, assuming you understand my statement at all?

The entire purpose of me asking you something is for me to learn something from you. As such, no, I do not have any idea what you are referring to. Quantum entanglement? Quantum flux? What is it you are talking about and how do you see it as somehow indicating that things in life do not have causes?

Electric Sceptic · Mar 1, 2005

ChristianCenturion said:
Possibly, but unless you have powers that I am unaware of, I am free to refer to it as I please... thanks for the attempted clarification anyways.

Yes, you are. And I am free to correct you when you state falsehoods.

Arikay · Mar 1, 2005

Out of curiousity, why do you think evolution is a religion?
Do you also believe that other sciences or historical sciences are religions as well (which ones)?
What makes the difference?

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

Arikay said:
Out of curiousity, why do you think evolution is a religion?
Do you also believe that other sciences or historical sciences are religions as well (which ones)?
What makes the difference?

I don't think of it as a religion, but some people adhere to it with a religious sort of zeal, finding even so much as the discussion of the difficulties of origins theories and somehow a violation of the science class.

Electric Sceptic · Mar 1, 2005

Shane Roach said:
I don't think of it as a religion, but some people adhere to it with a religious sort of zeal, finding even so much as the discussion of the difficulties of origins theories and somehow a violation of the science class.

No, they do not. That is your strawman.

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

*chuckles* Case and point.

Electric Sceptic · Mar 1, 2005

Shane Roach said:
*chuckles* Case and point.

The term is case IN point, and no, it's not. Making unsupported claims does not serve you well.

xMinionX · Mar 1, 2005

Yeesh, this thread went to pot...

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

xMinionX said:
Yeesh, this thread went to pot...

Yes, it has.

Shane Roach · Mar 1, 2005

Electric Sceptic said:
The term is case IN point, and no, it's not. Making unsupported claims does not serve you well.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-cas1.htm

Interesting. I don't even know why I said and, as I have said in before. But apparently I'm not alone.

Still, fair enough, I was wrong using that phrase.

ChristianCenturion · Mar 1, 2005

Arikay said:
Out of curiousity, why do you think evolution is a religion?
Do you also believe that other sciences or historical sciences are religions as well (which ones)?
What makes the difference?

If the shoe fits... see #3 or #4 or my own paraphrased version.

religion
noun

1. religion beliefs and worship: peoples beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

2. religion particular system: a particular institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine

3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by

Or my paraphrased: a belief that is not seen or proven but held true by faith

Electric Sceptic · Mar 1, 2005

ChristianCenturion said:
If the shoe fits... see #3 or #4 or my own paraphrased version.

religion
noun

1. religion beliefs and worship: peoples beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

2. religion particular system: a particular institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine

3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by

Or my paraphrased: a belief that is not seen or proven but held true by faith

Well, it's easy to call evolution a religion if you either (a) call it a religion on the same basis as bowling or stamp collecting is a religion or (b) invent your own definition of 'religion'.

Honestly...people say that evolution is a religion and then make up their own definition of 'religion' and say "See? I told you it's a religion!"

Arikay · Mar 1, 2005

Ok, so evolution isn't a religion as in,
"Christianity is a religion"
"Buddhism is a religion"

it's a religion as in,
"He watches TV religiously."
"He defends Stitch religiously."

ChristianCenturion said:
If the shoe fits... see #3 or #4 or my own paraphrased version.

religion
noun

1. religion beliefs and worship: peoples beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life

2. religion particular system: a particular institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine

3. personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

4. obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by

Or my paraphrased: a belief that is not seen or proven but held true by faith

ChristianCenturion · Mar 1, 2005

Electric Sceptic said:
Well, it's easy to call evolution a religion if you either (a) call it a religion on the same basis as bowling or stamp collecting is a religion or (b) invent your own definition of 'religion'.

Honestly...people say that evolution is a religion and then make up their own definition of 'religion' and say "See? I told you it's a religion!"

Yeah, I just made those up...
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/religion.html

My calling it what I want has more provable truth than where you stand.

I agree with the previous comments, the thread has been played out.

Electric Sceptic · Mar 2, 2005

ChristianCenturion said:
Yeah, I just made those up...
http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/religion.html

My calling it what I want has more provable truth than where you stand.

I agree with the previous comments, the thread has been played out.

You certainly made up the last one ("a belief that is not seen or proven but held true by faith"). The one you didn't make up that you cited was "obsession: an object, practice, cause, or activity that somebody is completely devoted to or obsessed by" which, as both I and Arikay have pointed out, makes evolution just as much a religion as bowling, stamp collecting, liking star trek or just about anything someone can be obsessed about.

And while you might say that stamp collecting is a religion, I think few people would agree with you. Similarly, few people would agree that a certain scientific theory is a religion.

And no, your calling it "what you want" has no provable truth, as your inability to support it demonstrates.

xMinionX · Mar 2, 2005

Goodness, I guess I'm in the church of motorcycles and computers. Wow.

*blesses you with motor oil*

Katydid · Mar 2, 2005

Didn't read all the posts, but in answer to the OP:

Creationism taught in school....

Because they cover evolution, big bang, and the pool of slush, which are all theories, so the theory of creationism should also be covered.

As far as the others go, well, if it doesn't matter, then why do you want to get rid of it?

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