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Funny how those ignore all the scripture that confirms "yom" a day. How do you "observe" bones you claim are 20,000 years old? Unless you have something you KNOW for a fact is 20,000 years old to compare them to? Another thought on the matter is all the genealogy's in the bible prove your premise in error.I have no problem with the general theory of Evolution To me the Bible does not describe haw humans were formed except in a poetic phase like image of God. This can occur after a long line of evolution. When it occurs we do not know. However science teaches us one way it occur. It is obvious that the world lasted more than 6000 years and bones of humans have been found over 20,00 yeas in Australia ad Indonesia.
The "Lord God" is the creator.
John 1:
1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
2 This same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
The reason why some Christians do and others don't accept evolution can be summed up in how one views the bible. Some Christians see the bible as infallible and perfect in every way shape and form. If some scientific or historic discovery contradicts this interpretation of the bible, said knowledge is always viewed as wrong. In the other camp you have those (including me) that don't think the bible needs to infallible and always accurate when it comes to history. That there are other ways for a book of the bible to teach truth. While God brings inspiration in the bible there is also the human/culture influence. Like Jesus the bible is a product of man and God. Unlike him, the bible acquires human imperfection (one example is is knowledge, with the flat earth belief).
Well "Elohim" is plural for God indicating the trinity. In John 1 the trinity is introduced once again in three consecutive sentences. I hope that helps you to comprehend what is actually being stated in Genesis 1 and 2 and confirmed in John 1.I don't understand what you mean. In genesis chapters 1-4 God is referred to "God" "Lord" and "Lord God" using the names "Yahweh" and "Elohim" and the combination of both. Im not sure what language the gospel of John was written in, (Greek im guessing) and im not sure if it uses the Greek equivalent to the those names "Lord" and "God". Are you saying that "Lord" means Jesus, and "Lord God means creator"? Sorry, im not understanding.
I also don't like adding a fallible ToE theory into our spiritual scriptures, because that a huge mistake.
Well "Elohim" is plural for God indicating the trinity. In John 1 the trinity is introduced once again in three consecutive sentences. I hope that helps you to comprehend what is actually being stated in Genesis 1 and 2 and confirmed in John 1.
"Evolution" by your standards is as much a science as the bible is right? BTW there are many scientific facts in the bible despite your claim the bible isn't a science book.I to agree we should not try to put evolution into the Bible. The books of the Bible were written before the ToE and the Bible isn't a science book. So it would be unwise to shove evolution into genesis. Sure I accept evolution, but It would be foolish to think that Adam being formed from dirt is a metaphor for evolution.
I to agree we should not try to put evolution into the Bible. The books of the Bible were written before the ToE and the Bible isn't a science book. So it would be unwise to shove evolution into genesis. Sure I accept evolution, but It would be foolish to think that Adam being formed from dirt is a metaphor for evolution.
What about the origin of complex, specified, functional information from chemistry/physics/chance?Take the origin of the first self-reproducing primordial cells - even the simplest unicellular organisms know to science today are amazingly complex factories running amazingly complex interdependent functions controlled by DNA/RNA/proteins etc. You need that information system for random mutation/natural selection to operate in the first place for neo-Darwinian evolution to get started. But in addition to the origin of such information, the naturalistic random mutation/natural selection paradigm is unbelievably naive in explaining the production of new body plans. You need intelligent design the only known source of complex, specified, functional information such as computer code. The belief that neo-Darwinian evolution can produce such information is a mathematical impossibility - probability vanishing to zero (to be technical).I see talking, I don't see "There are may problems which actually render it impossible." examples. I wonder why?
As i have said before, the evidence is not there for ToE.
I really hate to confuse you even more but the Godhead personalities are interchangeable and usually where one is mentioned their is another close around. Now the triune God is just impossible for men to comprehend so we just have to take it for what God says he is. So here goes the confusion ;-)I see what you mean about Elohim being plural for El. (i think) Yahweh means Lord, if im not mistaken. That's only found in the Hebrew though. John is written in Greek.
Im still not quite understanding what you mean though.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this point, because many throughout the world have been convinced that the ToE is correct .
Evolution is not compatible with the central message of the whole Bible, that is, God created man; man brought death into the world; man cannot be reconciled to God through his own efforts; God made a way through Jesus' death on the cross for us to be reconciled to Him. With evolution death is not an enemy, it is normal, in fact required. Thus it cannot have come from man's sin. If death is not an enemy, then how or why can Jesus save us from it?
I really hate to confuse you even more but the Godhead personalities are interchangeable and usually where one is mentioned their is another close around. Now the triune God is just impossible for men to comprehend so we just have to take it for what God says he is. So here goes the confusion ;-)
Deuteronomy 4:39
Understand therefore this day, and consider in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none other.
Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord, and there is none other; there is no God besides me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye and bring them, and let them take counsel together, who hath declared this from the beginning, or hath told it of old? Have not I the Lord? and there is none other God beside me, a just God, and a Savior: there is none beside me.
Isaiah 46:9
Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none other God, and there is nothing like me,
1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1 Timothy 2:5 [Full Chapter]
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,
Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,
Acts 4:24
And when they heard it, they lifted up their voices to God with one accord, and said, O Lord, thou art the God which had made the heaven, and the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them.
Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
James 2:19
Thou believest that there is one God: thou doest well: the devils also believe it, and tremble.
John 20:26
¶ And eight days after, again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them. Then came Jesus, when the doors were shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 After said he to Thomas, Put thy finger here, and see mine hands, and put forth thine hand, and put it into my side, and be not faithless, but faithful.
28 Then Thomas answered, and said unto him, Thou art my Lord, and my God.
Three personalities in one God .
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God (Elohim) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Gen 11:7 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Exodus 3 : 14 And God answered Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Also he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.
Isa 6:8 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever:
Deu 4:4 Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is Lord only
1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.
14 And that Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw the glory thereof, as the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father) full of grace and truth.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The prince of peace.
Mark 12:32
Then that Scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth, that there is one God, and that there is none but he,
Romans 3:30
For it is one God, who shall justify circumcision of faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, which is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, which is the man Christ Jesus,
John 14:9
Jesus said unto him, I have been so long time with you, and hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me, hath seen my Father: how then sayest thou, Show us thy Father?
Philippians 2:5-7
5 Let the same mind be in you that was even in Christ Jesus,
6 Who being in the form of God, thought it no robbery to be equal with God:
7 But he made himself of no reputation, and took on him the form of a servant, and was made like unto men, and was found in shape as a man.
1 Corinthians 8:4
Concerning therefore the eating of things sacrificed unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
Galatians 3:20
Now a Mediator is not a Mediator of one: but God is one.
Careful there. Plenty of people who accept the ToE as being valid are part of the religion of Christianity. Accepting scientific things that some Christians do reject does not mean they are following a different religion.
That has been proven as a myth started in the 1800's. Man has known the earth was round since ancient times.
I would rather follow only God and Him alone. I know that probably sound like some childish understanding of scripture to you, but its not. Its a well educated understanding.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this point, because many throughout the world have been convinced that the ToE is correct because of the evidence. There is a reason why it is considered a valid scientific theory outside of anti-evolution circles.
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