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Why do Christians have trouble with accepting Evolution?

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Jesus referenced Noah's Flood, but that does not mean he saw the story as historically accurate. One could reference fictional works to make a true point.

Kind of like if I did this.........

"Revenge for someone else can lead you down a dark path where only death awaits you. Do not become like Captain Ahab and his lust for revenge against the white whale. As he died trying to kill the beast, darkness will come to you if you allow revenge to ensnare your heart. You may not have lost a leg like Ahab did to a beast, but there are still various ways in which a person could hurt you and your want for revenge seems like the path to go. But don't be fooled by the the temptations of evil, for they do not have your best interest at heart"
 
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I am a simple follower of Christ. I just so happen to worship in a Baptist congregation, but the Bible remains the same and is not open to shifting interpretation "movements". Jesus spoke parables to the common folk; not high and lofty acedamia types (other than to rebuke much of the Scribes and Pharisees). As for the posting your ToE thoughts on a humanistic site (e.g., talkorigins), I think you'd find your thoughts on the resurrection, the need for God's involvement in the evolutionary process, etc., to be met with much resistance.
 
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1 Peter 3:20 (HCSB)
"...who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while an ark was being prepared. In it a few -- that is, eight people -- were saved through water." Is this not meant to be taken literally? I see no valid way to interpret it otherwise. And from Jesus' own mouth:
"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of Man:
27 People went on eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage until the day Noah boarded the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." Luke 17:26,27
 
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That isn't correct, Fishsticks. The circle of the earth is the apparently dome-shaped sky about the earth. The purpose of the passage is to say that God sees all things. Therefore, the prophet is assuming the earth is flat. Otherwise, from sitting on top of the dome, God could not see everything.
 
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But you imply He lied, because throughout the Bible Genesis' first chapters are confirmed, never allegorised.

If the book never was intended to be a historically/scientifically accurate book.....then he never lied. You would have been deceived yes, but God never lied.

Also remember that God didn't write Genesis, Man did. While the books of the bible are influenced by God the authors still have some freedom.
 
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Evolution does undermine Christianity.

Exodus 20:11 says that in six days God made the heavens, the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and on the seventh day He rested, therefore they were to keep the Sabbath day holy. Therefore, it's impossible to put millions of years in Genesis 1.

God created everything, not random chance over millions of years of death.

The foundation of the gospel is from Genesis 1-3 - rip it out, and you are left with nothing.

God's creation was very good (Genesis 1:31), and death had no part in it. Originally man and animals were vegetarians (see Genesis 1:29-30). Death is what God told Adam would happen if he ate the fruit God commanded him not to eat (Genesis 2:17). Adam ate, and death came to all men, both spiritual death and physical death (Romans 5:12).

But God did two remarkable things on that sad day. Number one, He promised a Savior from the Seed of the woman (who we know now as Jesus) (Genesis 3:15). Number two, He instituted the first blood sacrifice for sin (Genesis 3:21). It doesn't say what animals died, but animals don't give up their skins without being killed. God used the skins to make clothes for Adam and Eve, to cover their shame and nakedness. Recall that they made fig leaf coverings themselves, but they still hid from the presence of God (Genesis 3:7-10). Only the sacrifice God provides can cover the shame of our sin - not our own human effort (Romans 3:20). Through the rest of the Old Testament, God drove home the point that the shedding of blood was required to pray for sin (Leviticus 17:11, Hebrews 9:22). This is because the life of a creature is in the blood (shedding blood - causing its death). God Himself said death would be the penalty for sin before it happened (Genesis 2:17, Romans 6:23a).

So, why is it significant to the gospel? Because in order to satisfy the justice of God, there has to be a blood sacrifice to pay for sin. God can't just forgive. Since the blood of bulls and goats can't take away human sin (Hebrews 10:4), we needed a perfect man to die in our place. But all men descend from Adam and inherit a sin nature. The only way God could offer us grace and forgiveness was by Himself being clothed in flesh and becoming a sinless sacrifice. Jesus' death on the cross and all that led to it was unimaginably brutal. Jesus wouldn't have done it if there was any other way for men to be forgiven. He asked His father to let this cup pass from Him, if it were possible. I still don't understand why He loves us so much.

The main reasons people believe in millions of years is because of the fossil record, which is full of death (even sickness and animals eating other animals). It's supposed to represent the time before man evolved. However, the Bible says the entire world was flooded, so that gives us a good idea of how many of the fossils and rock layers came into place. Further, since God says death is the penalty for sin, there shouldn't have been death prior to man. Some people say, "Well, man didn't die prior to Adam's sin, but that doesn't preclude animals from dying for millions of years." God wouldn't have called His creation "very good." People don't realize the curse affected everything in creation - not just the serpent's legs, the woman's childbearing, the thorns and death to mankind (Romans 8:20-22). For example, man (Genesis 9:3) and some animals are carnivorous. Animals (many) are afraid of man (Genesis 9:2). When Jesus comes back and reigns on the earth for a thousand years, the animals will return to their Edenic diets and dispositions (see Isaiah 11 and Isaiah 65). Since this is part of the removal of the curse, it also follows that it was not part of creation prior to the curse. Death is an enemy, not a means of creating.

I hope this helps you. God bless.
 
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The miracles of Christ also teach us hidden truths, but they were still historical fact, according to scripture.
 
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So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?
But i am curious to what you think?
Darwinian evolution undermines the very concept of reason itself, so even without an alternative narrative I would find it untenable.
My curiosity on this subject extends to why evolutionists, who believe that we all simply dance to DNA, would wish to influence the DNA dance in respect of Creationism and God when those who do so (on evolution) simply do so as an evolutionary outcome in response to selective pressure.
Given that belief in Creator God has arisen as an evolutionary outcome in a high proportion of a very successful portion of the species, the attempt to influence evolution in this way, turning people away God and Creation would appear be deleterious to the collective survival of the species.
 
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The miracles of Christ also teach us hidden truths, but they were still historical fact, according to scripture.

I agree the miracles of Christ are historical fact.

But not Genesis.
 
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The author was God (through inspiration of the Holy Spirit); various men penned what they were inspired to put down on paper.
 
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Thanks Hoghead1 for joining in the discussion.

But I have to attend some things so I will take a break from posting. Good luck. Hopefully at least one of them will see that evolution is not against our faith in Christ.
 
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Many Christians do accept evolution, FishSticks, despite what you claim. I accept evolution and I have no trouble with the biblical account, because I do not believe God intended Scripture to be an accurate geophysical witness. Divinely inspired as it may be, the Bible is still the product of a prescientific culture.
 
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Thanks Hoghead1 for joining in the discussion.

But I have to attend some things so I will take a break from posting. Good luck. Hopefully at least one of them will see that evolution is not against our faith in Christ.
But it is... It is diametrically opposed or should I say demonically opposed to our faith.
 
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No, God used human hands but the words are His (2 Timothy 3:16, Matthew 4:4, Hebrews 4:12). The Word of God, the author, is Jesus (Revelation 19:13). He created (John 1:1-3, John 1:14) with His word (Genesis 1) and he will destroy His enemies with His word (Revelation 19:15, Revelation 19:21).

His Word is true in every sense, even scientifically. Evolution is a way of trying to erase God out of the creation. It simply isn't true.
 
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Jesus referenced Noah's Flood, but that does not mean he saw the story as historically accurate. One could reference fictional works to make a true point.

That's true, however its also true that ToE undermines the genealogy of Genesis, making Noah, Abraham, David and Moses all fictional Characters. Not to mention, Toe is absurd, it really is. What it boils down to is our seemingly absurd biblical stories, verses the worlds absurd ToE stories. Scientists cant even read 80% of human DNA. THey were misinterpreting DNA only 20 years ago. I have seen stories where people were wrongfully convicted using DNA evidence, and they did this 20 years ago when DNA forensics science was brand new. They didn't know what they were doing then, and they still dont when it comes to mans origin. DNA is still very much new and they have no clue how to read it properly. Their fossils are not human links either. ToE is just false doctrine created by Atheist scientists.
 
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If the book never was intended to be a historically/scientifically accurate book.....then he never lied. You would have been deceived yes, but God never lied.
When it is stated He created everything in 6 days, and it is repeated even by Jesus, but it is not true, it is a lie.
When God states the world fell in Adam, but it is not so, it is a lie.
Etcetera...
Also remember that God didn't write Genesis, Man did.
When it is inspired, it is from God.
While the books of the bible are influenced by God the authors still have some freedom.
A weak God then...

Now when the adversary will do his endtime things, with great signs and wonders, claiming to be God, dismissing Scripture or at least dismissing Christ, a person who doesn't believe in the claims God makes in the Bible, will fall for the adversary, because his things will be more convincing.
This is the problem for the times to come.
 
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