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This is incorrect.



I don't. I pray to living saints. I've said this repeatedly.



That's nice.



show me a verse where its incorrect....


praying to anyone but Christ and the Father is idolatry friend



IS Christ not good enough for you to pray only to him?


im still waiting on that verse friend.
 
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No. Why would I be?



Answering basic questions about their practices that anyone could find on Wikipedia doesn't require that I "speak for them".



That isn't worship. I do it myself, it's a very common Christian practice.

I was catholic until I actually read the bible , praying to saints , angels and Mary is unbiblical . First off half the saints they call saints the church has. O way of knowing if they are I good standing with God. Every time a biblical character meets an angel and tries bowing to this. Angel the angel tells them not to do it . Kneeling in a church asking an angel to pass along your prayers to God is blasphemous . There is only ONE MEDIATOR between us and the father and that is our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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I was catholic until I actually read the bible , praying to saints , angels and Mary is unbiblical . First off half the saints they call saints the church has. O way of knowing if they are I good standing with God. Every time a biblical character meets an angel and tries bowing to this. Angel the angel tells them not to do it . Kneeling in a church asking an angel to pass along your prayers to God is blasphemous . There is only ONE MEDIATOR between us and the father and that is our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for telling me something I already knew. Still not sure how that makes praying to the saints or to angels blasphemous, but oh well. :cool:
 
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Thank you for telling me something I already knew. Still not sure how that makes praying to the saints or to angels blasphemous, but oh well. :cool:

It is blasphemous because God tells us not to , if the term one mediator being Jesus is not straight forward enough then what an I tell you . Again read Jerimiah 44:15-27 KJV bible because the newer bibles have changed the wording .
 
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I already have. Next?

If you read Jerimiah then you know you are not to pray to Mary queen of heaven .......simple ..... I am not judging anyone or anything ,I was atholic for over 48 years and have been called out of the church by the holy spirit . I just wish to show people to trust only the bible . The bible is very clear that the traditions of men make void the word of God . The current pope has written several books and in a couple he states that Jesus is not the only way to heaven . This goes against all the teachings of Jesus and makes void His word .
 
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Because you want her to pray for you?


this is blasphemous....

People who dont want to answer hard questions always tell me, "its a strawman" "its a fallacy"


NO it isnt, just answer the question...


Give me a verse where it says we should pray to mary, or anyone else for that matter, instead of Christ


we are to pray for each other not to each other...


ill be waiting on that verse...


From the bible that has 66 books.....not the catholic bible......
 
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give me a scripture where we are to pray to dead saints


or even mary for that matter


hail mary full of grace, right?

First of all, the Saints are not dead because Jesus is not the God of the dead but the living. Rev 5:8 The elders pray for the Saints on the earth and offer these prayers to God.

Hail Mary Full of Grace Luke 1:28

I guess angel Gabrial was worshiping Mary too huh?
 
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Because you want her to pray for you?


this is blasphemous....

People who dont want to answer hard questions always tell me, "its a strawman" "its a fallacy"


NO it isnt, just answer the question...


Give me a verse where it says we should pray to mary, or anyone else for that matter, instead of Christ


we are to pray for each other not to each other...


ill be waiting on that verse...


From the bible that has 66 books.....not the catholic bible......

How about you give me a verse in scripture were it says we shall not ask each other for prayer?
 
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Because you want her to pray for you?


this is blasphemous....

People who dont want to answer hard questions always tell me, "its a strawman" "its a fallacy"


NO it isnt, just answer the question...


Give me a verse where it says we should pray to mary, or anyone else for that matter, instead of Christ


we are to pray for each other not to each other...


ill be waiting on that verse...


From the bible that has 66 books.....not the catholic bible......

Me and you, let's have a one on one debate. A thread for just me and you, that means no one else helping you out, just me and you. If you cannot do so then just admit you judge Catholicism by your opinions.

I will be waiting for a reply...
 
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First of all, the Saints are not dead because Jesus is not the God of the dead but the living. Rev 5:8 The elders pray for the Saints on the earth and offer these prayers to God.

Hail Mary Full of Grace Luke 1:28

I guess angel Gabrial was worshiping Mary too huh?


That in no way confirms praying to mary lol.......your reaching


The Dead know nothing (go read some OT my friend)

So if they dead know nothing or the dead are actually dead (ill use both points of view to make a point)

Then what your doing is in vain either way you look at it

How about you give me a verse in scripture were it says we shall not ask each other for prayer?


friend, you need to not let your emotions of defending your doctrine get in the way (im guilty of it too at times)

I said, we are to pray for each other....not to each other

Me and you, let's have a one on one debate. A thread for just me and you, that means no one else helping you out, just me and you. If you cannot do so then just admit you judge Catholicism by your opinions.

I will be waiting for a reply...



you think im afraid? lol post it up my friend.....send me a pm so i can respond

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what makes you think i have help?....well you caught me, but you cant take my help away from me

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when is the showdown...........will it be next to the monkey bars? or the jungle jim? lol
 
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