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My guess is that its because we're very "extreme" in our views. Even talking about such things is considered lagalisim, like the sabbath often. Of course we come across in the wrong way- most people consider our beliefs too extreme, and so they get scared by usI've been on this site for about a month now and its come as no surprise that SDA's are even on the net seen as Bible bashing/false-doctrine having/'know-it-all'/legalist/only saved by keeping the Sabbath/'proof-texters' and all the other typical names we are called. Its almost as if whenever an SDA comments on a topic the whole thread rolls their eyes?! One post sticks in my memory when someone replied to an Adventist comment saying something to the effect of: "Why do you continue to proof-text your views? We already know what you and your church teach and myself and almost all other churches disagree with you!"
This is the same when trying to witness to others face-to-face of different faiths, its almost as if Adventists are the burden of the Christian faith? I'm sure I am not the only one that feels like this, and I'm wondering people's thoughts on this. If (as we do) we believe we hold the truth in these last days, why is it so hard to minister it without coming across as 'know it all', legalist Sabbatarians? How do people deal with this and try to disprove this commonly held view of Seventh-Day Adventists?
We might not agree with blacksabb's condemnation of membership in a denomination, or take his same bitter attitude, when you read his experience it brings up a point important to the topic of this thread.Then why are you here?
If not to stir up trouble, then for what purpose?
Your manner of address to me is highly disrespectful. I normally welcome friendly discussion in here from non-SDAs, but you are beginning to show yourself as one who merely has an agenda to cause trouble, which by the way, is a blatant contradiction to the principle of the passage (1Cor. 1:10-11) that you claim to know so well.
Did you really read the rules of this forum before you started posting in here?
Brother blacksabb, have you ever heard of Harold Camping and his ministry, Family Radio? What he teaches sounds exactly like what you are saying. You might find there a kindred spirit.
We might not agree with blacksabb's condemnation of membership in a denomination, or take his same bitter attitude, when you read his experience it brings up a point important to the topic of this thread.
I don't run with anything.
You said you hate to admit it. I would like you to answer me...
Why?
well you're proving it right there. You are very hard to get along with. Questioning every little thing, man you must live really stressed out! Just chill, relax take the message for the point not the words that were used to get the point across.
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Interestingly I have never met anyone who was introduced to what the SDA church teaches by being told what the 27 fundamental beliefs were. In our case, we were brought into the church because our neighbor gave us Bible studies something our church never did.
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Hmmm, I've been an SDA for over 40 years and been in over a dozen churches and there wasn't anyone who took "pride" in such things.
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Oh and, Woobadooba, if I ever want to back talk you I will have the wifey do it. She is the same age as you! haha.
Brother blacksabb, have you ever heard of Harold Camping and his ministry, Family Radio? What he teaches sounds exactly like what you are saying. You might find there a kindred spirit.
>But I have pastored 7 churches,I am glad to hear that. But I have pastored 7 churches, and been a member of several more, and I can tell you there are a number of folks who take pride in such things and lead with the pork, or the day or death etc.
I knew of at least two Adventists who would go up to complete strangers in restraunts and start talking about their pork or smoking.
One of them was in a small town too. That certainly didn't help the cause.
There is a reason we are told not to put our most objectionable points first.
Actually a couple reasons.
a. it needlessly offends.
b. some of the most objectionable are not the most important.
But when something is important and needs to be said, then say it. Even salvation is a savor of life unto life to some and death unto death to others. All truth is testing truth for somebody.
And Woodabooda, (gosh,did I get that right?), you're as defensive as I am. And just because I question things doesn't mean I'm stirring up trouble. There is a difference. And if you look at my posts and be honest, you'd see that I have in fact said much stronger words against the Pentecostals and their numerous excesses.
I welcome discussion in here with non-SDAs; but when such people show themselves to be antagonistic, which is what you have been doing whether you realise it or not, the line for civil discussion is crossed.
Can you share your ideas without insulting us?
Think about that...
You have insulted us in many ways. You have basically referred to us as not being real Christians because we are a part of a group of people with a name. You have also stated that we don't understand 1Cor. 1:10-11. What right do you have to say this? You don't know us on an individual basis, and have no right to make such a hasty judgment call.
Now if you want to fellowship with us, then do so in love. But if you can't do that, then I kindly ask you to go somewhere else. For this forum has suffered enough abuse, and as a result of this many have left. It's really sad that this has happened.
Where?
tall73 said:I can tell you there are a number of folks who take pride in such things and lead with the pork, or the day or death etc.
And my quess would be that the number is few and far between, not the norm as your previous post seemed to make it to be.
tall73 said:Our focus on death makes people think we are a bit odd,
"Focus"?!?
Where?
I don't give out that info. Call me paranoid.
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I can tell you there are a number of folks who take pride in such things and lead with the pork, or the day or death etc.
And my quess would be that the number is few and far between, not the norm as your previous post seemed to make it to be.
Which post? And I didn't say they were the norm. But they make others think they are the norm. That is the problem.
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Our focus on death makes people think we are a bit odd,
"Focus"?!?
Yup, focus.
It is one of the doctrines. And we do focus.
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Call me skeptical.
here is what you said:I didn't say that you said it was the norm--you read English ab't as "carefully" as do the critics of the SDA church.
And my quess would be that the number is few and far between, not the norm as your previous post seemed to make it to be.
Yes we have a doctrine on the state of the dead; but in 40 yrs as an SDA I can hardly count on one hand the number of times the subject came up at or near the beginning of any conversation (eventually, when other subjects are dealt with it comes up). So, I can hardly (with a straight face) claim that we "focus" on it. The Sabbath would be closer to the truth.
Quote: I choose not to give out personal information about myself on the net because of the possibility of danger to me and my family. It is not only a good idea not to do so but it is in the rules for this forum not to give out personal info. If I were to name the churches someone could find me on the net in about 4 minutes with little effort.
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I didn't say that you said it was the norm--you read English ab't as "carefully" as do the critics of the SDA church.
here is what you said:
Quote: Sounds like you thought I was saying it was the norm.
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