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God can be the author of sin and still be himself? That's absurd and unbiblical.It makes no difference. You speak as though you are comparable to God. It doesn't work like that. God is that high above us, that he can do as he wishes and is still altogether righteous in doing so. You are not that high above your fellow man, nor even your children, nor even your dog.
Yes, and that "And it also observes," part proves the op's statement about the openness of the system incorrect. The gospel is not open to all unless and until God acts.
In Calvinism, you get saved twice. God has to regenerate you to regenerate you.As noted in the OP - both sides agree that the sinful nature alone is not inclined to salvation. The point of difference is that the Arminian view is that God can draw a lost person , and enable them to choose the Gospel... the Calvinist position appears to be that God can only enable an already-saved person to accept the Gospel.
When you add an "And it ALSO...." condition you are implicitly acknowledging something more, different, in addition to... is required. And since that something also happens to be "supernatural" it is not something the sinful non-believer possesses, it is not something by which the sinner can approach the gospel openly on his own.
Not according to scripture.But the person who is convicted, and God convicts all, can choose good or evil.
In Calvinism, you get saved twice. God has to regenerate you to regenerate you.
so what?Yes, it would have confirmed we only have secondary source evidence of what he really believed.
"argument", "divisive" -- True about discussions regarding prayers to the dead, and according to Christ also true about the Gospel in Matthew 10, also true about the Trinity in some circles, also true about prayers to Mary, purgatory, images..the Protestant reformation etc.The answer to this question is usually pride . The discussion certainly isn’t going to accomplish anything important in this world but will most certainly always lead to disunity and argument and disrespect. If you don’t believe me you can read the thread and you will find lots.
No, without the drawing there is no opportunity for the gospel. Being drawn is not openness. You are also assuming the text means God draws all to Christ in salvation, when that would not be consistent with either the passage in thwich the just-proof-texted verse appears, nor the whole of the Bible. God draws many to Him in judgment.And since His "act" is to "Draw ALL mankind to Him" John 12:32
And is "Act" is to " convict the World of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16
And is Act is to "so love the WORLD that He gave"...
It is an open system.
You are the one who misunderstands.You misunderstand the book of Job. Jobs friends were blueprint theologians. They said Job must have sinned to be punished by God. But it wasn't God doing this to Job, it was Satan.
Yes God was displeased with the " friends".... .they were trying to blame him for Satan's deeds. Just like calvinists do.
And Job was wrong about what was happening too, but God was pleased with him, because he still trusted when he did not understand.
That is begging the question. No scripture mentions God enabling the non-believer to choose. I stated this as far back as post #193 and no one has disproven my position.True -- it is the power of God enabling the lost person to choose...
If God isn't objectively righteous, then Satan worshippers are right to worship the lesser evil. God isn't just saying he's righteous, and then doing dark deeds behind his back. He's not the force from star wars with a good and dark side. In him is no darkness at all!You make the same error as Job's friends by insisting that Calvinist's must be wrong because a righteous God can only act as you imagine.
This can only be true if your assumptions are correct. If they aren't, then GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). You assume that a righteous God can only follow the standard you have imagined.If God isn't objectively righteous, then Satan worshippers are right to worship the lesser evil. God isn't just saying he's righteous, and then doing dark deeds behind his back. He's not the force from star wars with a good and dark side. In him is no darkness at all!
It's not good because God does it. What God does is good because he is perfectly holy. Calvinist reverse this and claim God can cause all the sin ever committed and still be holy. What he says about himself is that there is no darkness in him. He doesn't take the blame for our sin.God rules as he chooses, saves those he chooses and he is good. If God does it, then by definition, it is good, whether we like it or not.
That is begging the question. No scripture mentions God enabling the non-believer to choose.
Arminianism assumes a point of liberty, a point of enabling, a point prior to conversion in which the non-believer suddenly becomes a believer by way of their own still-sinful volition.
He laments - "what more could I have done than that which I have already done?" Isaiah 5:4
Notice where the focus of "action" is in Rom 10
Rom 10: "9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
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Arminianism assumes a point of liberty, a point of enabling, a point prior to conversion in which the non-believer suddenly becomes a believer
God rules as he chooses, saves those he chooses and he is good. If God does it, then by definition, it is good, whether we like it or not.
[/QUOTE]Though spiritually dead,, I am still alive physically.
In this physical life we have choices to make, among them...will we serve God or not.
That is a choice we make.
Can you prove there will be an eternal life?
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