Why did the US invade Iraq?

[razeontherock]

They were tlaking about the average person. Of course the folks in congress are intelligent

They may have been meaning to refer to the average person, but factually they only addressed Congress. (Leave it to the reader to determine what that may state about intelligence, if anything)

 

[razeontherock]

If you want a faster forum there is this one but the question has to be of an ethical nature. You should start a thread on it, at the very least to give something of substance to argue instead of the endless homosexuality stuff that usually goes on here

You missed the rules change on the last subject you mentioned you should check

 

[MorkandMindy]

I don't disagree that the world is better with Saddam Hussein deposed and executed, but I don't think your explanation justifies the invasion as a worthwhile use of American lives or resources.

Do Iraqi lives matter?

 

[MorkandMindy]

Thats because the relavent question is how many US service members died. We dont care about total deaths just deaths on our side otherwise we would not go to war. Unless you have a good guess of their total population and you are trying to completely wipe out a race of people.

For most wars total deaths are given, so why it is the ones where the US is recognised as the aggressor, that only the US deaths are counted?




Counting all deaths WW1 is 8.5 million military deaths and 9 million civilian counted on the basis of increased mortality total 17.5 million

Counting all deaths American War in Vietnam is about 1.5 million military and 4.3 million civilian.


US deaths in WW1 where between 50,500 and 53,500 KIA though about as many died from other causes

US deaths in American War in Vietnam were about 58,200 KIA

If you count only US KIA deaths then the Vietnam War was bigger than WW1

 

[briareos]

US is recognized as the aggressor

only the US deaths are counted?

Neither of those are simply true. I know information was infact being being released on that at some points so yes it is being gathered, not sure it is being released anymore anymore but you don't have a clue whether or not that information is being gathered or when it will be released. It will likely be after the battles come to an end and the ability to process that data and get accurate numbers is available.

When soldiers get into a firefight, there is always a complete and thorough briefing to the Commander at the lowest level that details exactly what happened, what they encountered, mission impact etc... that data is gathered. Data concerning enemies killed is being gathered, whether or not you know how to find that data or whether or not it's released to you now or later is something else entirely. Those briefings are not public information, that sort of thing is classified and at what point by some government organization where data is declassified and parts of it that you are allowed to know are taken out and released... I don't have a clue.

Do Iraqi lives matter?

ISAF Forces have the mission of protecting civilian lives also. ISAF Escalation of Force policy says that ISAF Forces are permitted to protect their own lives and the lives of civilians, whereas they are not allowed to use deadly force unless a threat of equal danger is present. Soldiers do in fact get court martialed and sent to prison for that.

 

[razeontherock]

If you count only US KIA deaths then the Vietnam War was bigger than WW1

To make any valid comparison of 'Nam, you'd have to include injuries of the permanent disability type. (And btw, one of the guys in my band is a Nam vet, who still has all his limbs and digits, and most of his mind)

 

[The Nihilist]

Do Iraqi lives matter?

I think they do.