Why did the snake entice Eve first but not Adam?

[miknik5]

Yes

I am negating your post

 

[JCFantasy23]

Before they sinned they were innocent and had no understanding of anything but good

They were innocent and without any guilt

It was after they ate that their eyes were opened and they saw their nakedness and looked to cover themselves

But again this would have to assume that being naked is dirty or wrong, automatically sinful. If this were so, why is it seen as innocent for small children or other cultures who don't find nudity anything other than natural? They don't even find it tempting sexually.

So when you take off clothes, you're no longer innocent? The light theory makes a bit more sense to me because I'm not one of those who thinks anything with the human body or sex is sinful

From the verse though it seems that they were always naked but did not know it - 11 He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"

But Adam said afraid, not ashamed, when discovered. 10And he said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself." - , so I'm assuming if I kept to that scripture piece alone he was afraid because his nakedness would reveal he disobeyed, but with the follow-up of the next verse, it shows he was actually afraid just because he was naked.

There must be some sort of cultural relevance I'm missing. Maybe they saw nudity as horrible back then or something.

 

[miknik5]

But again this would have to assume that being naked is dirty or wrong, automatically sinful. If this were so, why is it seen as innocent for small children or other cultures who don't find nudity anything other than natural? They don't even find it tempting sexually.

So when you take off clothes, you're no longer innocent? The light theory makes a bit more sense to me because I'm not one of those who thinks anything with the human body or sex is sinful

They had the knowledge of good and evil Now they are responsible to do what is right in their flesh

They came to a separation from GOD. and who they are in their flesh in relation to GOD and who HE is

The image they were created in is no longer perfectly and fully and completely reflected in man.

 

[miknik5]

no one said that flesh is evil

But it is what we do in our flesh that sknwtines does not reflect what we, created in GOD's image, are supposed to do

We have the knowledge of good and evil but we(as a whole) men and women everywhere and together in unity don't always do what is good in every situation in every circumstance

You're talking about flesh being used sexually

All it is is that we needed a covering. Something between us and GOD to bring us into HIS HOLY PRESENCE

 

[miknik5]

It's the conscience that is changed sir. We know both good and evil

Can you tell when a man or woman are using their flesh improperly?
Can you tell what is good before GOD and what isn't?
Can we imply that what we do (when it is wrong) is what GOD meant for us to do?

Do we blame or attribute to GOD what comes from our imperfectness?

Do we put bitter for sweet
Evil for good
Darkness for light

 

[SeventyOne]

Which post are you referring to?

I simply posted what the WORD of GOD as per Genesis says in the account of the fall and did not add anything more

Please point to what post you are referring to that I am negating

I'm referring to the post you quoted in the post of yours I responded to.

71?

You'll have to point out where in scriptures it is said Adam and Eve emitted a light

Actually, I don't have to do anything, but thanks for trying to impose your will on me. It's been years since I've studied out that aspect, probably 20 or more. I really don't feel like doing it again at this particular moment.

This is not correct

They were perfect and sinless and were able to stand before the HOLY GLORY of HIS LIGHT until they sinned and GOD made a covering for them

That doesn't change anything about what I said, including the part where I mentioned it was only a possibility, not a fact.

Yes

I am negating your post

No, not really, but whatever. I really don't care. It is allowable we have differing opinions on the matter.

 

[JCFantasy23]

6And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons

Yes, but this was after the discussion with the snake. It doesn't show he was by her when she spoke to the serpent. "the woman saw that" could mean she went and looked for herself for awhile, pondering, before taking a bite. At that time Adam was with her.

 

[miknik5]

and by the way, the GOOD command to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it came before man sinned

 

[miknik5]

Yes, but this was after the discussion with the snake. It doesn't show he was by her when she spoke to the serpent. "the woman saw that" could mean she went and looked for herself for awhile, pondering, before taking a bite. At that time Adam was with her.

Oh. So did she fool Adam or did she tell Adam about what the serpent had said?

 

[miknik5]

The relevance is that we ALL need (ALL flesh) the RIGHT GARMENT to come to THE LAMB's WEDDING

Read Matthew 22

From the very beginning GOD has through lower signs and pictures pointed us to HIS SON

GOD provided garments to Adam
and Eve

HE covered them and sent them from HIS PRESENCE knowing full well that HE would pursue us with the ONLY GARMENT planned and needed from the beginning

HIS SON's COVERING

 

[miknik5]

I'm referring to the post you quoted in the post of yours I responded to.




Actually, I don't have to do anything, but thanks for trying to impose your will on me. It's been years since I've studied out that aspect, probably 20 or more. I really don't feel like doing it again at this particular moment.




That doesn't change anything about what I said, including the part where I mentioned it was only a possibility, not a fact.




No, not really, but whatever. I really don't care. It is allowable we have differing opinions on the matter.

Please provide GOD's WORD that validates what you have said with regards to Adam and Eve being bodies reflecting light

 

[BukiRob]

Why did the snake (Satan?) persuade Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, but not to talk to Adam first?
Could he talk to Adam first but Adam had rejected him, and so he came to entice Eve?

Because the serpent was shrewd. He knew that Adam had utterly failed because from the BEGINNING man has substituted what G-d has said for man's tradition esteeming them better. Notice what Eve says to the serpent. Gen 3: 2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”
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That is NOT what G-d said to Adam. Gen 2: 16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

The moment Eve told the serpent that she wasn't allowed to touch it, he knew he had her. G-d spoke directly to Adam concerning what could and could not be eaten in the garden NOT Eve.

Furthermore, it is HIGHLY unlikely that Adam was with Even when this occurred. The enemy attacks when you are vulnerable to attack. Adam would have never allowed Eve to eat the fruit because Adam had firsthand knowledge.

In my personal opinion, Adam and Eve had most likely been in the garden for a while we get hints of this by what happens shortly after they have eaten... 8 They heard the sound of the LORD G-d walking in the garden in the cool of the day..... This suggests that they were accustomed to when G-d would come during the cool of the day. We don't know how long Adam was in the garden before Eve was created. Nor do we know how long they were in the garden before she was deceived and gave fruit to Adam to eat.

The bigger question is why did Adam eat?
IMO Adam loved eve and knew if he did not eat that she would be left alone because of the sin of disobedience. It is key to remember that prior to their sin Adam and Eve were PERFECT. They knew no sin so Eve's love for Adam would have been perfect. Imagine that you companion was beyond anything you could ever dream of and how they treated you made you feel completed. Adam KNEW what it was like to be alone and he knew what it was like to be with her. Adam probably could not fathom losing her. You see unlike every other love story or marriage Eve was literally taken from Adam. There could not have been a more perfect match for Adam than Eve. G-d called creation when he rested "Very good" I have seen vista's so beautiful they just take your breath away in their beauty. Adam and Eve would have been like this.

On some level one can understand Adam's reply to G-d when asked why he ate what was forbidden. Adam had to choose being alone again or sinning to be with Eve so, he predictably blames G-d by saying "The woman YOU gave me....." Oh that Adam had trusted G-d and had told Eve "No" We will wait on the Lord and He will fix this.... but, that was never to happen.

 

[SeventyOne]

Please provide GOD's WORD that validates what you have said with regards to Adam and Eve being bodies reflecting light

I've already responded to this request. Please see what you just quoted for your answer.

 

[BukiRob]

I personally much of Genesis as allegories pointing to Jesus and the Gospels. In the temptations of Adam and Eve we can see the temptations of Jesus and Jesus correcting the prior failure. Satan approaches Eve first and convinces her to disobey God. In the same manner Satan approaches Jesus in the desert but Jesus handles Satan as a faithful one should.

Then, instead of approaching Adam directly the beloved mate approaches Adam and offers him the fruit. In Matthew 16 we can see this occur when Jesus is approached by a beloved mate, Peter, who tries to dissuade him from God's call. Jesus then corrects Adam's failure by handling it by saying "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

Nope. Genesis is LITERAL in that Adam and Eve were literal people and the garden account literally happened. The Garden of Eden is a literal, physical (meaning it REALLY HAPPENED) allegory of what happened in Heaven in Revelation 12 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems. 4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.
7 And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, 8 and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,
“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. 11 “And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life even when faced with death. 12 “For this reason, rejoice, O heavens and you who dwell in them.

Notice the very first thing said about those that were cast out of heaven..... Now the salvation, and power and the kingdom of our G-d and the authority of HIS Messiah have come...... That is a most bizarre thing to say immediately after a third part of the host of heaven are cast to earth unless you understand that Genesis and Revelation are telling the same account.
All of mankind past, present and future are those that rebelled against G-d in heaven. We were cast out of heaven to literally FALL to earth. This is why we are born into sin. This is why Adam fell and why every person who is born is by nature REBELLIOUS towards G-d and the things of G-d We were given over to our sin and it has mastered mankind. Instead of G-d merely destroying us he gave us one last chance to repent and be restored.

On the surface does it not seem "unfair" to be born in a natural state that HATES G-d to only then be judged by him and he is not easily seen? That in our natural state we are predispositioned to reject the truth of G-d? How is that just or merciful? It explains why NO ONE is without excuse. It explains why no one will be able to accuse G-d of not being fair, just or merciful.

 

[Yarddog]

Nope. Genesis is LITERAL in that Adam and Eve were literal people and the garden account literally happened.

An allegory doesn't mean that an event didn't happen. It just means that the events of a story point to another event, such as Paul tells us with Hagar and Sarah.

 

[BukiRob]

Eve did this originally. Tried to convince Adam to do it her way, and he submitted to her will. So now, in the curse, is the promise that this disharmony will exist till the end. The wife will try to have her will, the husband will disagree and attempt to maintain his control. You get conflict.

No she did not. She was deceived not Adam. Adam's GREAT error which man has been doing since the very beginning is to supplant the word of G-d and add to it. G-d did NOT say don't touch. ADAM said that. The moment he told Eve that the Serpent KNEW he had them.

You are ignoring massive chunks of what is really going on here. Adam was ALONE.
5 Then the LORD God took the man and put him into the garden of Eden to cultivate it and keep it. G-d then tells Adam that he can eat the fruit of any of the tree's except the tree of Knowledge. This clearly (IMO) tells us that Adam was in the garden alone for a while.

18 Then the LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone; I will make him a helper suitable for him.” 19 Out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the sky, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called a living creature, that was its name. 20 The man gave names to all the cattle, and to the birds of the sky, and to every beast of the field, but for Adam there was not found a helper suitable for him.

Unlike any other marriage that has ever existed Eve was literally part of Adam. She would in EVERY WAY would have been the ideal mate. Eve would have been a dream come true.

Furthermore, Eve until she sinned was SINLESS so she would have been "from our perspective" the perfect wife. Scripture makes clear that Adam and Eve were ECHAD (one flesh) There is no question that from the moment he saw her he LOVED HER.

Scripture tells us that Eve was deceived. It is, IMO, impossible that Eve was deceived and ate right in front of Adam. Adam would not have allowed Eve to touch it let alone eat it....So time goes by and one day Eve is alone by the forbidden tree and this is when the serpent strikes and she eats.

Adam discovers that Eve has eaten the fruit. He is horrified.... what can he do? If he does not eat then she will die and he will again be alone. Adam has already erred when he ADDED to the word of G-d when he told eve to not even touch it.....So instead of refusing and trusting that G-d would fix the mess, Adam takes control and decides the only thing he can do is to die with her because he cant fathom being alone again. In doing so Adam YET AGAIN, fails to trust G-d First by adding to what G-d instructed and secondly (and by far the greater error) sinning against G-d and rejecting G-d as the solution to their problem.

Finally, Adam blames G-d for their situation instead of pleading for both mercy and forgiveness.

 

[BukiRob]

An allegory doesn't mean that an event didn't happen. It just means that the events of a story point to another event, such as Paul tells us with Hagar and Sarah.

Allegory:

1. : the expression by means of symbolic fictional figures and actions of truths or generalizations about human existence a writer known for his use of allegory; also : an instance (as in a story or painting) of such expression The poem is an allegory of love and jealousy.
   
   
2. 2: a symbolic representation
   

Which is why in the post you reply to I go to great lengths to detail that the Garden account is both a literal event and an allegory pointing to the war in heaven.

Normally an Allegory is FICTIONAL

 

[BukiRob]

Imagine this,
if Adam rejected to eat the fruit given by Eve,
then it was Eve alone had sinned.
In this case, what would happen to human race?

That is a very interesting question. Eve was under Adam's headship so had Adam not sinned and gone to G-d G-d would have surely fixed the problem.... sadly, we will never know.

 

[Grandpa2390]

I always found this part interesting. Being naked is not sinful in itself. We know children don't feel awkward nude and running around, and other cultures have no problems with nudity tempting them, feeling more natural than clothes. I'm wondering about this verse. They saw they were nude and then felt shame. Shame of what? They didn't cover up because they were tempted by each others bodies? Did they suddenly feel shy? Vulnerable?

Well the Bible didn't say it was a sin, per se. obviously it became one because God made clothes.
But it reads at first as if it is just a sign. Losing their innocence, they now knew they were naked. They would have not known they were naked if they had not eaten the fruit.
Let's say you tell your child not look in the refrigerator. The child commits the sin and peaks in there. Later on, you come home and the child says, can I have some yogurt.
"who told you there was yogurt?"

They had to be have been naked all along. Why did it suddenly become a sin. I would think for reasons you mentioned, lust and so forth, but when it is just you and your wife...

 

[BukiRob]

Nothing. Adam could have easily followed his wife outside the garden.

And she would have aged and died while Adam would not have.