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HitchSlap

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So why believe in something for which there is an absence of evidence?
 
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So why believe in something for which there is an absence of evidence?
There isn't an absence for me ...for you, there is.

Are you superior to me that I wouldn't understand evidence when I see it? Hmmmm?
 
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There isn't an absence for me ...for you, there is.

Are you superior to me that I wouldn't understand evidence when I see it? Hmmmm?
Not superior by any means. I'm just asking what evidence you have that is objective?
 
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Not superior by any means. I'm just asking what evidence you have that is objective?

I've shared it here before, but not going to repeat it. It led me back to faith. If/when you believe someday, it will be your own experience that leads you to God, not anything anyone will tell you. No one can convince you to believe in God. It isn't like learning a math equation, that you're struggling with...and one day you're like 'ah ha! I get it now!' Faith isn't like that ... you'll see... and you'll be amazed if you allow yourself to be open to it. The key is allowing yourself to be open to all the possibilities in this world.
 
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Abosulutely. I want to believe as many true things as possible.
 
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The short answer? Because, "It is finished."

The longer answer? Because He is the Apex of all human history - history, is His story.

Up until Jesus arrived, His story was being unpacked. Since then, it is being packed up again. The first part of the story takes humanity from the first man born of the flesh, to the last man - Jesus is the First and the Last. The second part of the story takes humanity from the first person born of the spirit of God, to the last person - Jesus is the First and the Last. Each person comes in their own time 1 Corinthians 15:23.

In the beginning, the hourglass of human history began to flow out (from God), and when it was finished, it was turned to flow back again (to God).
 
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So basically, he left because it was a better story than if he stayed?
 
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So basically, he left because it was a better story than if he stayed?
You are treating Bible truth as fantasy. This is not about a *story* but about the realities of God. Of course, since in your estimation He does not exist, why are you even bothering to respond?
 
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I'm just asking what evidence you have that is objective?
By the root definition of the word ("objective"), if there were objective evidence - it wouldn't be evidence.

In order for evidence of the spiritual world to be evidence...it must be spiritual.
 
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Men are untrustworthy? And yet it is the word of MEN that you accept in building the picture of your God.
 
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There is no difference between what you have described and a delusion. How would you know?
 
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I guess you think that, even though it is not what I posted ?
What is your definition of "wicked men" ? (include yourself, obviously)

You said that your God curses those who listen to the words of men. You said that men are wicked and untrustworthy. YOU said these things.

Yet you accept the word of men when they wrote the bible.
 
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You are treating Bible truth as fantasy. This is not about a *story* but about the realities of God. Of course, since in your estimation He does not exist, why are you even bothering to respond?

Pretend this is a philosophy forum and someone made a thread asking a question.
 
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So basically, he left because it was a better story than if he stayed?
Let's be clear. The objection to his Ascension (which I didn't make but only answered to) made the point that he would have had a 'better story' if he'd stayed around.

If you find that way of looking at the matter to be punk, I did too! I also found the particular argument that was presented to us to be unpersuasive.
 
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