Why did Jesus have to suffer and die?

[All Becomes New]

Like I said, by letting humanity off this planet

What about the new earth that Christ will create? Like as in the New Heavens and New Earth. Do you think we do this by moving to Mars or something? If so, that is a very strange interpretation of Christ's return.

 

[nightmares]

What about the new earth that Christ will create? Like as in the New Heavens and New Earth. Do you think we do this by moving to Mars or something? If so, that is a very strange interpretation of Christ's return.

Well we could stay here, be let out to see other planets or be allowed to return home to God

I choose option 2 or 3 because I am tired of Earth

 

[Divide]

I don't know

I recently reached my 40s and mid life crisis and the days are flying by so I don't have the time to write long considered responses that I used to when I was younger

In addition I'm a nervous wreck from a month's long sifting by Satan including death threats and telling me I blasphemed the Holy Spirit

40's? I'm 61 and felt great in my 40's.

And there you go whi, well complaining again. Why do you always complain about life? You speak too much negativity into your own life doing that. No wonder those things are coming true for you.

 

[All Becomes New]

Well we could stay here, be let out to see other planets or be allowed to return home to God

I choose option 2 or 3 because I am tired of Earth

Or you could die. That is more likely in any case.

IDK what you mean by being "tired of Earth." You are a human. You live on Earth as all humans do. Saying you are tired of Earth is like saying you are better than the other humans on Earth. Surely you can't mean that right? So maybe you are just a little too prone to complaining and such?

 

[oikonomia]

Like I said, by letting humanity off this planet

Nightmare, nightmare, if we take ourselves to Mars we take with us our problems - guaranteed.

Going to a happy place out there so-called, whether Mars, Europa, Pluto, or even Heaven itself will not do.
If the central problem of us is not cured, taking the disease off to another planet, even if we COULD, will not help.

Men came from the Old World to the New World.
They brought with them their maladies, sins, crimes, offenses.

The hype today is to search for another "Earth" - ie. Earth II.
This is like being on the sinking Titanic and saying " The real party is on the life boat. Let's all go there."

Not getting off the planet goes to the root of man's problem.
Allowing God in Christ to move INTO every part of our being is eternal salvation.
And that not only of those who recieve Him, but of the environment around as well.

Here is what the Apostle Paul wrote about the salvation of not only the saved but the environment of the universe at the maturity and manifestation of the sons of God.

For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
For the creation was made subject to vanity, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it,

In hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now. (Romans 8:19-22)

 

[nightmares]

No I am not prone to complaining or saying I am better than others

We are told to not love the world and that is exactly what I am doing

 

[nightmares]

Nightmare, nightmare, if we take ourselves to Mars we take with us our problems - guaranteed.

Going to a happy place out there so-called, whether Mars, Europa, Pluto, or even Heaven itself will not do.
If the central problem of us is not cured, taking the disease off to another planet, even if we COULD, will not help.

Men came from the Old World to the New World.
They brought with them their maladies, sins, crimes, offenses.

The hype today is to search for another "Earth" - ie. Earth II.
This is like being on the sinking Titanic and saying " The real party is on the life boat. Let's all go there."

Not getting off the planet goes to the root of man's problem.
Allowing God in Christ to move INTO every part of our being is eternal salvation.
And that not only of those who recieve Him, but of the environment around as well.

Here is what the Apostle Paul wrote about the salvation of not only the saved but the environment of the universe at the matureity and manifestation of the sons of God.

For the anxious watching of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God.
For the creation was made subject to vanity, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it,

In hope that the creation itself will also be freed from the slavery of corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groans together and travails in pain together until now. (Romans 8:19-22)

No

If we leave these physical bodies we leave all the worry, anger, regret, trouble and sickness with them

 

[nightmares]

40's? I'm 61 and felt great in my 40's.

And there you go whi, well complaining again. Why do you always complain about life? You speak too much negativity into your own life doing that. No wonder those things are coming true for you.

Says it all when you respond to someone wanting humanity to be set free from this pointless circle of life by accusing them of complaining

Got something you want to confess

 

[oikonomia]

Allow me to contribute another scripture song to the matter of the sons of God being the
freedom of the creation.

 

[All Becomes New]

No I am not prone to complaining or saying I am better than others

We are told to not love the world and that is exactly what I am doing

The Bible also says to be thankful in all circumstances.

 

[1SimpleMan]

Well when we do something wrong we hate ourselves for it. Sometimes we blame others. And we carry that with us through our lives

I apologize if I have missed your point. I can be dense at times as my wife might testify...I am interested how you might teach others about your belief here...So if you will indulge me I will try to clarify my question. What is the pathway to this self-forgiveness that folks don't how to pursue for themselves? For example, Is it moving closer to the realization that there isn't anything real to hate themselves for; or is it to do something/anything to resolve this sense of guilt/shame; or for the sake of contrast (the traditional view) have someone in authority to speak that forgiveness and remove all need for further hatred/guilt/shame?
I apologize again for the questions, but I am curious how this works out. As you know, people who hate themselves or beat themselves up or who carry a lot of shame are often resistant to quick fixes. So how does one with this philosophy move the needle so to speak?
Thank you for taking the time to discuss it.

 

[oikonomia]

No

If we leave these physical bodies we leave all the worry, anger, regret, trouble and sickness with them

I do hope you can read to the end of my reply.
Read the two Bible verses at the end aloud.

This sounds like Gnostic philsophy ( of which I am no expert though).
Perhaps the earliest apologetics of the Christian church was against those philosophical people
who thought matter was evil, period.

The earliest debates against the Gospel were this:
It is not that Jesus never lived.
It is that Jesus was too good to have been material.

This is why John wrote that the Logos, the Word became flesh. (John 1:14)
The Docetists said "Jesus was TOO GOOD to have been material. He must have been a phantasm."

John says concerning His crucifixion, in essence " Look. I saw blood and water coming from His wounded body.
He was not a phantasm. He was a real person."

So what is the point?
My point is that God's salvation is exceedingly all-encompasing.
It is a salvation for the spiritual part of man, the psychological part of man, the physical part of man, and the physical environment of man.

I am encouraging you NOT to say "If I can just get rid of this body, I'll be cool."
Rather consider resurrection of the body as part of the all-inclusive saving of man by God.

This has to be brief and does not address all matters concerning this.
There is regeneration.
There is transformation.
There is transfiguration.

There is mortality being "swallowed up" in immortality.

If indeed, being clothed, we will not be found naked.
For also, we who are in this tabernacle groan, being burdened,
in that we do not desire to be unclothed, but clothed upon, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. (2 Cor.5:3,4)

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
And when this corruptible will put on incorruption and this mortal will put on immortality, then the word which is written will come to pass, “Death has been swallowed up unto victory.”

Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting? (1 Cor. 15:53-55)

 

[oikonomia]

No I am not prone to complaining or saying I am better than others

We are told to not love the world and that is exactly what I am doing

Nightmare, are you selective in your standing on what the Bible says?

"For God so loved the world . . . " (John 3:16)
"Love not the world nor the things that are in the world . . . " (1 John 2:15)

You have to spend a little more time to understand the world, the cosmos, the distinction between
the people who make up the world and the fallen corrupted system that the Devil created - the world.

The Lord did not say to hate the planet.

 

[nightmares]

Nightmare, are you selective in your standing on what the Bible says?

"For God so loved the world . . . " (John 3:16)
"Love not the world nor the things that are in the world . . . " (1 John 2:15)

You have to spend a little more time to understand the world, the cosmos, the distinction between
the people who make up the world and the fallen corrupted system that the Devil created - the world.

The Lord did not say to hate the planet.

No

If I hate the world and want humanity to be set free from it, is there a contradiction or being selective

 

[nightmares]

Well I know that ndes are generally frowned up but reading the description of how great it feels to be free of this sick body, how can anyone not want that for humanity

Instead of being here to, er, do something

 

[Divide]

No I am not prone to complaining or saying I am better than others

We are told to not love the world and that is exactly what I am doing

But that's all you've been doing in this thread is complaing. With blurbs about woe is me for I have no girl. SO it sounds like you still love the worlds girls. ??

 

[Divide]

Says it all when you respond to someone wanting humanity to be set free from this pointless circle of life by accusing them of complaining

Got something you want to confess

f you read your bible more you might learn that the tongue has the power of life and death. There's a lot to be said about positive thinking and positive speech vs negative thinking and negative speech. You might be cursing your own life if the power of life & death is in the tongue. And you don't seem to care.

 

[nightmares]

You're an idiot Divide

It doesnt matter how many times I point it out to you

You are determined to call having compassion for humanity and wanting them to be set free from this planet complaining/whining

If you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread then please leave

 

[Divide]

You're an idiot Divide

It doesnt matter how many times I point it out to you

You are determined to call having compassion for humanity and wanting them to be set free from this planet complaining/whining

If you don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread then please leave

Just going by your words bub.

 

[oikonomia]

No

If I hate the world and want humanity to be set free from it, is there a contradiction or being selective

Are you at all in any way involved or dabble in the occult?
Have you dabbled with any kind of paranormal, witchcraft, science of soul power, or other such esoteric disciplines?