Why did Jesus die on the cross?

[Hentenza]

No one is too far gone.

What is your comment supposed to mean?

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

What is your comment supposed to mean?

Well, he said the man was beyond redemption. I don't believe anyone is beyond redemption. I do realize it was said in jest, but I don't think it's something to joke about.

 

[Hentenza]

Well, he said the man was beyond redemption. I don't believe anyone is beyond redemption. I do realize it was said in jest, but I don't think it's something to joke about.

Ok, I guess he must have said that in another thread. I was just curious. Thanks.

 

[ElijahW]

It’s to establish a spiritual kind of King that couldn’t be killed (because he was already dead) and could give the people someone to serve, so we don’t serve the typical earthly rulers, thereby taking their power away. Getting rid of the rulers is the first step that leads to eternal life, then the resurrection of the dead.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Subscribing

Originally Posted by Deleteriousnonsense No one is too far gone.

What is your comment supposed to mean?

Maybe he was referring to what I have in my siggy

 

[Hentenza]

Maybe he was referring to what I have in my siggy

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

Maybe he was referring to what I have in my siggy

LOL1 You are clever.

 

[Yoder777]

Does anyone believe in the doctrine of once saved, always saved? If so, what are the reasons why you believe it?

 

[PETE_]

Does anyone believe in the doctrine of once saved, always saved? If so, what are the reasons why you believe it?

I do

Because the Scripture supports it

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Does this mean that once saved, we are always saved, no matter our conduct after accepting Christ's work on the cross?

If turning away from sin is necessary for salvation, why was it necessary for Jesus to die for our sins? Couldn't people turn from their sins before Jesus was crucified?

I took a while to think after I typed that sentence because I figured I would get a question like this thus I added the next part after it. Once saved is not always saved. Our behavior and out conduct is evidence of who is in control of our lives. It is the same sort of relationship that faith and works have. Works are a demonstration of faith. Our conduct and behavior is evidence of whose side we are on rather than we need to have a certain conduct to be on God's side. Its a matter of putting the cart before the horse. God doesn't tell us to clean up ourselves and then come to him. He does not tell us to stop sinning and then come to him. He says to come to him just as we are and he will clean us up and change our conduct and behavior. Then our works is evidence of God working in us and evidence of his saving power. The bible says that by their fruits you shall know them. As for your second question, I already answered by clarifying that turning away from sin is not necessary for salvation.

 

[Yoder777]

I do

Because the Scripture supports it

Which Scriptures?

 

[Yoder777]

He says to come to him just as we are and he will clean us up and change our conduct and behavior. Then our works is evidence of God working in us and evidence of his saving power.

How much change in conduct is required to show we are truly saved?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Which Scriptures?

Quite a few actually.


Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Eze 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Luk 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Mar 4:16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

Just a few.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

How much change in conduct is required to show we are truly saved?

I can't exactly answer that. Different folks have different weaknesses and it may manifests itself at different times since we are not perfect. But we should be guided by the bible in everything. To be saved the spirit must be dwelling in you and if the spirit is dwelling in you, you will exhibit the fruits of the spirit. So in response to your question.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

[PETE_]

Which Scriptures?

couple of tidbits

Phillipians 1:6

...being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ...

Romans 8:39

...not height nor depth nor any other created thing shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[PETE_]

How much change in conduct is required to show we are truly saved?

impossible to know as soem can really be trying but still failing(addict), others may be just putting on a show and have no real change of heart

God knows the heart of man and He is the judge

 

[Yoder777]

I believe in once saved always saved in the sense that, if you lose faith, faith will return to you at some point in your life. Otherwise, you may not have truly converted in the first place. Furthermore, if you truly believe, it will affect at least some change in your life, yet it is not our right to judge exactly how much change is necessary to show that a particular individual is saved.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I believe in once saved always saved in the sense that, if you lose faith, faith will return to you at some point in your life. Otherwise, you may not have truly converted in the first place. Furthermore, if you truly believe, it will affect at least some change in your life, yet it is not our right to judge exactly how much change is necessary to show that a particular individual is saved.

How do you view the scriptures that I posted then. I don't think faith is something that automatically comes to you if you don't exercise it. Everyone is given a measure of faith, but beyond that you have to exercise it for it to grow, or at least have some experience of the work of God. Its not something that just comes like that.

 

[Yoder777]

I don't think faith is something that automatically comes to you if you don't exercise it. Everyone is given a measure of faith, but beyond that you have to exercise it for it to grow, or at least have some experience of the work of God.

I agree.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

I agree.

So do you want to clarify you previous statement.