Why did God make Different Aged Rocks

[sandwiches]

And what, in your opinion, would be the minimum age a person can walk, talk, be given a job, get married and have children?

If you say Adam was any older than 1 day old, then you're admitting to embedded age?

And if you say Adam was any less than 2 days old, yet did all the above, then you have some explaining to do.

Please show me Adam's growth profile from one-day-old, up until the day he got married.

I don't use that phrase.

Here's your answer:
Older than 1 year old, yes.

Here's a question:
And what, in your opinion, would be the minimum changes required for a person to be able to walk, talk, be given a job, get married and have children?

If you answer ANYTHING other than 'nothing,' you're admitting that the person had at least an apparent history.

 

[sandwiches]

And the moment God called into existence that Rembrandt, is He guilty of deception?

What if He called into existence footprints in the snow?

Deception is dependent on intent. Was God's intent to make us think that someone (assuming there footprints were human) walked in the snow? If it was, then it was deception. If he did create those footprints and then he wrote a book, saying that no one has ever walked there, wouldn't you wonder, WHY he would create those footprints that appear to have been created by a person, in the first place?

 

[Agonaces of Susa]

God does not deceive man, rather man deceives himself.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." -- Proverbs 25:2

 

[AV1611VET]

God does not deceive man, rather man deceives himself.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter." -- Proverbs 25:

Indeed --

 

[Cabal]

Indeed --

So where's the honour for our finding out of God's deception?

And I honestly can't see how you get "God does not deceive man" out of a verse which says "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing".

Gotta love literalism!

 

[AV1611VET]

So where's the honour for our finding out of God's deception?

An all-eternity stay at Lago del Fuego?

And I honestly can't see how you get "God does not deceive man" out of a verse which says "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing".

conceal ≠ deceive

 

[Freodin]

And what, in your opinion, would be the minimum age a person can walk, talk, be given a job, get married and have children?

If you say Adam was any older than 1 day old, then you're admitting to embedded age?

And if you say Adam was any less than 2 days old, yet did all the above, then you have some explaining to do.

Please consider the following question carefully and ANSWER it! Please don´t answer it with a counterquestion, but give your own reasoning.

What is the reason that a person needs a certain minimum age before it can walk, talk, be given a job, get married or have children?

(And before you complain that I did answer your post with a counterquestion: I will give a direct answer after you have considered and answered my question here.)

 

[Cabal]

An all-eternity stay at Lago del Fuego?

Pathetic - and besides, people seem to think that verse says it's good for people to uncover things. So come on - why the whining when science finds out concealed things?

conceal ≠ deceive

Same difference. Or at least, it was cited in the context of a deceptive act.

 

[ukgrace]

Creationists deceive themselves with ease it must be part of their upbringing, 'We know it doesn't make sense just keep telling yourself that it does until it does, does it make sense? are you sure? you may now call yourself a creationist'.

 

[bloodbought09]

So where's the honour for our finding out of God's deception?

And I honestly can't see how you get "God does not deceive man" out of a verse which says "It is the glory of God to conceal a thing".

Gotta love literalism!

Revelation is taking what is concealed, taking down the veil and receiving it. The veil was torn down by Christ. Some things cannot be understood unless Christ comes in. God is light and there is no darkness in Him. He does not even cast a shadow.

 

[Cabal]

Revelation is taking what is concealed, taking down the veil and receiving it. The veil was torn down by Christ. Some things cannot be understood unless Christ comes in. God is light and there is no darkness in Him. He does not even cast a shadow.

Either way, there is nothing honourable about making God into a liar, which is what this embedded age idea does.

 

[bloodbought09]

Creationists deceive themselves with ease it must be part of their upbringing, 'We know it doesn't make sense just keep telling yourself that it does until it does, does it make sense? are you sure? you may now call yourself a creationist'.

The bible says that the prince of this world has blinded the world. I have noticed that just because someone lacks understanding into something, they assume that the person who has the knowledge and understanding is delusional. Do not assume that I am a staunch creationist, though I believe the account put forth in the bible. I, for one, do not adhere to a label, but then I can fit into most of them. I am all things to all people so that I may win a few. I am not an evolutionist though. The knowledge that I have of the spiritual would make me to be a liar if I claimed evolutionary thought. But I will expound on my ideas about evolution, though I am not skilled at the more ologies of the subject. Bless.

 

[Cabal]

I have noticed that just because someone lacks understanding into something, they assume that the person who has the knowledge and understanding is delusional.

Fair enough post - but the above does go both ways in this debate.

 

[Split Rock]

Welcome to the forum

The bible says that the prince of this world has blinded the world. I have noticed that just because someone lacks understanding into something, they assume that the person who has the knowledge and understanding is delusional.

Usually creationists here claim that scientists are either: deluded by Satan, liars, incompetant, greedy hucksters, or all of the above at the same time.

Do not assume that I am a staunch creationist, though I believe the account put forth in the bible. I, for one, do not adhere to a label, but then I can fit into most of them. I am all things to all people so that I may win a few. I am not an evolutionist though. The knowledge that I have of the spiritual would make me to be a liar if I claimed evolutionary thought. But I will expound on my ideas about evolution, though I am not skilled at the more ologies of the subject. Bless.

Does your "knowledge that I have of the spiritual would " give you somekind of understanding of the physical/ natural world? Especially since you admit you are not skilled in such subjects?

 

[Cabal]

Usually creationists here claim that scientists are either: deluded by Satan, liars, incompetant, greedy hucksters, or all of the above at the same time.

The irony being that this describes several prominent creationists.....

 

[bloodbought09]

Welcome to the forum

Usually creationists here claim that scientists are either: deluded by Satan, liars, incompetant, greedy hucksters, or all of the above at the same time.


Does your "knowledge that I have of the spiritual would " give you somekind of understanding of the physical/ natural world? Especially since you admit you are not skilled in such subjects?

Would it be better to debate a professional creationist about creationism, than novice creationists trying to support the more knowledgeable creationists stance on creationism? I do not know if any supporter of evolution on this forum could stand face to face with a professional creationist.

As for the physical and natural world: I can look at the world and evaluate it, just as any human being should. I am a graduate of high school and have the required knowledge of science, though from a psychological standpoint we do lose knowledge at or own given rate. I have not used this knowledge for some time, so I know only what I know. As for the natural world, Jesus Christ talked about natural things and then related them to spiritual things as you would see in John 3, and a lot of His teachings in the gospels as well. If anyone is interested I can list a few.

What are your professions? I can probably give spiritual insight into what you already know and profess.

 

[bloodbought09]

Either way, there is nothing honourable about making God into a liar, which is what this embedded age idea does.

We cannot make God into a liar. But if we misrepresent Him then whose fault is that. I believe we have all sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. If you cannot defend the creation account in the bible, you being a professed Christian yourself, then maybe it would be easier for you to lie down in defeat and ride the fence, or take the side of the winning team as the Italians did in world war 2.

 

[Cabal]

We cannot make God into a liar. But if we misrepresent Him then whose fault is that.

Obviously I didn't mean it literally, but figuratively. Embedded age implies a deceptive God, obviously this means it cannot be correct on a theological level.

If you cannot defend the creation account in the bible, you being a professed Christian yourself

I have no problem defending Genesis 1.

The issue here is what it actually refers to.

 

[bloodbought09]

Welcome to the forum

Thank you, you are so kind. You bless the seed of abraham and you will be blessed yourself. The Spirit and the bride say come.

 

[MoonLancer]

Would it be better to debate a professional creationist about creationism, than novice creationists trying to support the more knowledgeable creationists stance on creationism? I do not know if any supporter of evolution on this forum could stand face to face with a professional creationist.

As for the physical and natural world: I can look at the world and evaluate it, just as any human being should. I am a graduate of high school and have the required knowledge of science, though from a psychological standpoint we do lose knowledge at or own given rate. I have not used this knowledge for some time, so I know only what I know. As for the natural world, Jesus Christ talked about natural things and then related them to spiritual things as you would see in John 3, and a lot of His teachings in the gospels as well. If anyone is interested I can list a few.

What are your professions? I can probably give spiritual insight into what you already know and profess.

I hate to break it to you, but professional creationists are more or less just professorial lairs. They dont do scientific research, they focus on things like the wedge document.