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"The source" of the spirituality of a human person - if true - is God. God and God alone can infuse His Spirit into the man. Man can seek this Spirit; he can also seek himself and find nothing. I suggested several books that you could explore if you want to learn more. The ones I suggested would not mislead you, but "the source" in you, to be true, must be the One I named.You have still not given the source you used. I took a guess at the one I suggested.
Isaiah 43:21
New International Version
21 the people I formed for myself
that they may proclaim my praise.
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I hope that I am not the only one here who has no clue what you are trying to say!
Poole???To quote Matthew Poole's Commentary on Job 38:7...........
My mind was renewed to believe in our PCE...why is that not acceptable? You do not have one verse in all of scripture that claims our pce is impossible! All you got is a contesting pov with no more proof than I have, ie, an interpretation of scripture.I would say that the key to spirituality is in Romans 12:2.........
“Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind ."
My mind was renewed to believe in our PCE...why is that not acceptable? You do not have one verse in all of scripture that claims our pce is impossible! All you got is a contesting pov with no more proof than I have, ie, an interpretation of scripture.
...and that is why I accept the leading of the Holy Spirit about PCE.Only God can interpret and understand God.
The question for us, here and now is: Do I Have Life?????
Who is your Father?
My mind was renewed to believe in our PCE...why is that not acceptable? You do not have one verse in all of scripture that claims our pce is impossible! All you got is a contesting pov with no more proof than I have, ie, an interpretation of scripture.
This reflects YOUR INTERPRETATION OF THE SCRIPTURE... NOT the scriptures themselves. To imply that a differing interpretation does not accept scripture is arrogant.
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death [not sin] came to all people, because all [had already] sinned—
The condemnation of sinners spoken of here is the judgement of death on sinners, NOT the imputation of sin unto non-sinners.
Which theological sleight of hand do you like best to prove that the one who sinned third brought sin into the world? The only straight forward method of taking this at face value is if Adam was a sinner before he was placed, moved, sown into the garden and brought this sin with him: Matt 13:36-39.
Original sin is also described as ancestral sin, is a Christian view of the nature of sin in which humanity has existed since the fall of man. Original sin arose from Adam and Eve's transgression in Eden, as is recorded in the Scriptures which I already posted for you and the sin of disobedience in eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Original sin can be explained as “that sin and its guilt that we all possess in God’s eyes as a direct result of Adam’s sin in the Garden of Eden.”
So as to make it easy to understand, God determined that we would all be on Adam's team, and once Adam committed the foul, then we get penalized for it. But then you have the good news, which is the flip side of that, which is that we're on Christ team. Those who trust in Christ receive his ... Points!
The points that he scored, we were on the bench. We didn't even get into the game. Christ scores the points, and then we win as a team. Nobody ever says, "Wait a second. It's not fair that Jesus Christ died in my place. What's up with that?" No, no one ever says that.
It is not about Fairness! I am talking about what's just and what's right. And God is just, and he'll absolutely do what's right in every case.
Now as for "Slight of theological hand."......I have no idea o=ow that works.
I do however know what the Bible which is............ we are born sinners and that we are by nature sinners. and you are welcome to read it in............
Psalm 51:5 says that we all come into the world as sinners:.......
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin my mother conceived me.”
Ephesians 2:2 declares that all people who are not in Christ are.....
“sons of disobedience.”
Ephesians 2:3 also establishes this, stating that we are all .....
“by nature children of wrath.”
If we are all “by nature children of wrath,” it can only be because we are all by nature sinners — for God does not direct His wrath towards those who are not guilty. God did not create the human race sinful, but upright. But we fell into sin and became sinful due to the sin of Adam.
Now you are welcome to call that anything you want to.
I find that so many "doctrinal" differences (Catholic/protestant) have a beginning at a deeper level than usually is ever addressed. Maybe this question can illuminate something essential - a foundational belief upon which the Christian revelation can either stand true, or collapse under the weight of contradictions concerning God Himself.
Why do you exist? Why did God make you? What is your purpose in His Heart?
I'd be grateful to hear responses.
I live to suffer, there's nothing cool in this broken world. You suffer all your life, you struggle to just die and finally end this torment, if you live in accordance with God's will, you will be with the Savior Jesus Christ, others will go to hell.
I accept God's plan, but for me it's difficult, nothing in this world makes sense, only after death if you are saved it makes sense.
The ancestral sin model as described by St. John Cassian is the preferred hamartiology of the Eastern Orthodox Church and also the Oriental Orthodox and the Assyrians. St. Augustine’s original sin model where original sin is transmitted via concupiscence is not followed by the Eastern churches.
What if someone disagrees with your personal interpretation of any Scripture you post, while claiming to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? How would you determine whose interpretation is correct and whose is not?I understand. All I do is post the Scriptures.
I don't know who this is addressed to but I have come to be able to hear my Master's voice and to trust Him, expecting Him to clarify for me so I hold my condemnation of their claim in abeyance since I have had to change my mind about the leading of the Holy Spirit before.What if someone disagrees with your personal interpretation of any Scripture you post, while claiming to be under the guidance of the Holy Spirit? How would you determine whose interpretation is correct and whose is not?
I don't know who this is addressed to but I have come to be able to hear my Master's voice and to trust Him, expecting Him to clarify for me so I hold my condemnation of their claim in abeyance since I have had to change my mind about the leading of the Holy Spirit before.
I'm pretty set in my faith so my usual reaction is, "Hmmm, I don't think so...yet."
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