Why did Christians vote for this guy?

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

He publically mocked Jesus Christ and yet Christians voted for him!!!! Not to mention he supports genocide.

Obama Mocks & Attacks Jesus Christ And The Bible / Video / Obama Is Not A Christian - YouTube

BTW the Bible condemns slavery and never advocates it. I plan on starting a thread on the Bible and slavery when I have the time.

 

[Nani-Day]

Partially because black. sorry about that. Ive grown alot since then.

 

[14messenger]

Money is the god of many.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Partially because black. sorry about that. Ive grown alot since then.

That's ok. I am not going to judge you for things you are repentant about. Did you know that Paul or as he was known before his conversion Saul of Tarsus rounded up Christians to have them killed before he was saved on the road to Damascus.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

My biological mother voted for Obama the first term and had no idea about his stance on many issues were. She was about to vote for him a second time and then I had a few words with her pastor over facebook. He acted like he was ignoring me and didn't respond but then ended up giving a sermon the next week about who they should vote for and the politicians stances on the issues. My biological mother is very against everything Obama stands for.

I have met some people who supported Obama because of race or personality but opposed him on the issues. I think we need to Openly criticize people like him in this way so that people understand who he is and what he supports.

 

[SMA12]

He publically mocked Jesus Christ and yet Christians voted for him!.

Agreed. I don't see how any Christian can support him or any other pro-abortion/secularist candidate to be honest. We need to pray for him and this country. Desperately.

That's ok. I am not going to judge you for things you are repentant about. Did you know the Peter or as he was known before his conversion Saul of Tarsus rounded up Christians to have them killed before he was saved on the road to Damascus.

I believe you meant Paul, not Peter

 

[miamited]

Hi WACTJ,

Here's what God has asked of me. Be respectful to those in authority. Have you ever looked at how godly men of the past have dealt with the exact same situation that you believe you are in. Look to Daniel, Paul, Jesus.

Daniel lived under the rule of man who had no understanding of God. A man who made laws and decrees just to suit the whim of his fancy at the moment. Yet, every time that Daniel spoke to that man he addressed him, "Oh great king live forever..." Jesus lived in a day when Rome ruled over the land of Israel. Unbelievers all and taxing the people with a heavy burden to support Rome. Yet, Jesus never once spoke ill of the Roman government. Paul, likewise, lived in a day when he was brought up on unfair charges to Roman prelates and even once appealed to be taken before the Ceasar, and yet, we can find no charge in all of the Scriptures that Paul made against the Roman government.

My encouragement is that you, also, be just as respectful as they in living your life on this earth. If you are a child of God as you might proclaim, then in this attitude of your heart, may it reflect a godly attitude.

President Obama is merely a man. A man that the people of our nation have chosen as their leader. For the child of God, he deserves the respect and honor that his position allows him. Will he always make the right decisions? Of course not! No more than you or I make all the right decisions in our life and career. Will he always do what pleases you? Of course not! It is an impossibility of the job to do what pleases everyone in his judgments and decisions. But I choose to believe, as a man who has taken on the mantle of leadership for our nation, that his intentions are honorable and that it is as much his desire in his work, as it should also be in yours, to do the best that he knows to do.

My prayer for President Obama is that God give him the wisdom and strength to carry out his duties of leading our nation with honesty and integrity. Presidents come and presidents go. It is the structure on which we have built the governing of our nation. Whether good, bad or indifferent, I choose to follow the example of godly men who have lived under even worse leadership in their day. I choose to support him and honor him as the President of the United States.

No, I did not vote for him.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[USCGrad90]

In the last election, the choice was between Obama and Mitt Romney. I think Romney being a Morman made it a hard decision for some.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

I believe you meant Paul, not Peter

Yes I did mean Paul. I was super tired and on the verge of falling asleep when I wrote that.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Hi WACTJ,
Have you ever looked at how godly men of the past have dealt with the exact same situation that you believe you are in. Look to Daniel, Paul, Jesus.

"GO TELL THAT FOX" - Jesus in reference to the scumbag KING Herod

The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. (Luke 13:31-32)


I would imagine that Dietrich Bonheoffer would have been respectful to Adolf Hitler, on the outside, should he have had a chance to meet him. He was respectful to all the Nazi officials he did meet. But at the same time he was involved in a plot to get rid of Hitler and was smuggling Jews out of the country.

We must look at the situation Paul and Daniel where in and the situation we are in. People vote for president in this country after all. We should get the word out about what kind of person Obama really is.

I prey for his repentance and salvation. That's it. Perhaps if more people (senators and representatives) would openly rebuke him for supporting genocide and mocking Jesus he may have not have gotten elected or even possibly would have repented.

 

[miamited]

"GO TELL THAT FOX" - Jesus in reference to the scumbag KING Herod

The same day there came certain of the Pharisees, saying unto him, Get thee out, and depart hence: for Herod will kill thee. And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected. (Luke 13:31-32)


I would imagine that Dietrich Bonheoffer would have been respectful to Adolf Hitler, on the outside, should he have had a chance to meet him. He was respectful to all the Nazi officials he did meet. But at the same time he was involved in a plot to get rid of Hitler and was smuggling Jews out of the country.

We must look at the situation Paul and Daniel where in and the situation we are in. People vote for president in this country after all. We should get the word out about what kind of person Obama really is.

I prey for his repentance and salvation. That's it. Perhaps if more people (senators and representatives) would openly rebuke him for supporting genocide and mocking Jesus he may have not have gotten elected or even possibly would have repented.

Hi WACTJ,

I appreciate your reply. Yes, Jesus referred to Herod as a fox.

As far as mocking the Scriptures - he does not in fact mock Jesus - did you see the speech? I did. He did not come across to me as mocking the Scriptures, but rather asking people which of the laws of God the people would want to follow. Here, if you are truly interested in knowing the whole truth rather than some cut and paste message designed by someone with an agenda, is his speech:

Barack Obama : Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics 1of 5 - YouTube

Barack Obama : Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics 2of 5 - YouTube

Barack Obama : Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics 3of 5 - YouTube

Barack Obama : Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics 4of 5 - YouTube

Barack Obama : Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics 5of 5 - YouTube

You might find that he gives his testimony in fairly straightforward language that he is a believer and follower of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He never gives support of Quaran or the gods of Buddhist's or Hindu's. He merely acquiesces that there are those people among us.

Now, does that make him perfect? Does that necessarily make him in agreement with you? Does that mean that he considers everything that gets passed under his administration to be godly? No!

One of the very important 'facts' that most people who take up these positions of calling President Obama, or any sitting president for that matter, some wicked person don't seem to understand is how our government operates. How laws are made. The presidency of the United States is not a monarchy. Every law and every decision and discussion that comes from our government is not necessarily, and often is rebuked, from the sitting president at the time. Laws are passed by our two legislative bodies. It is the men and women of our Congress and Senate who discuss, argue, and ultimately decide the laws of our land.

Does the president have a hand in that? Yes, sometimes. But if you or others are really set on setting the laws of our nation toward a more godly direction, then I would encourage you that your efforts would be much better rewarded if you were to carry your fight into those places. Do you believe that President George Bush was a more godly president? Do you believe that President Ronald Reagan or President Gerald Ford were more godly presidents? Sadly, but true, a child of God who sits as president over our nation and makes as the impetus of his presidency that only laws in agreement with the Scriptures will be passed under his administration would last about 10 minutes in office.

Sadly also, President Obama is correct. We are not a christian nation. We are a nation of many, many people who all have some faith in something. Some have faith that there is no god. Some have faith that there are many gods. Some have faith in this god and some have faith in another. The best we can ever hope for as christians is that the one sitting as president has faith in the one true and living God and will approach his work with that faith. But don't even kid yourself that such a man will always succeed in making every law and every decision of the entire government beholden to his faith and belief.

But one thing I personally abhor are those cut and paste videos that many will use to push some agenda of their own. Let's be honest. Let's review all of the evidence before we rush to judgment. Personally, I am much more disturbed with President William Clinton's claim of faith, and yet leaving an entourage of women that he has seduced in his wake, over the claim of faith that President Obama makes. As far as I know, President Obama has been faithful to his family and proclaimed his faith in the one true and living God. I honestly don't expect any more than that from anyone who holds that job.

From what I gather of this particular speech in question, President Obama does claim to have faith in the Lord Jesus as his savior. He even encourages us to 'read' God's Scriptures.

So, I ask you: Which do you want as the law of our government? Do you want us to stone people for particular sins? Do you want us to make illegal the sale and consumption of shellfish in our country? Do you want us to require that every male child is circumcised on the eighth day of their life? Do you want us to enact laws that require us to buy sheep and rams and bulls so we can once again make sacrifices to our God?

The salvation the God offers is not based on our abilities to run any nation of the earth as a godly nation. It is based on our singular and individual trust and faith in Him. Daniel lived in a nation of ungodly people. Jesus traveled in a nation of ungodly people. Paul, Peter, John, et.at., lived and preached in countries of ungodly people. Never once did any of them once make any call to their followers to rise up against the governments or authorities over them.

So, my encouragement is that we not worry about making our nation a godly nation. That isn't going to happen. But, we can make a difference in the lives of our family, friends and neighbors. That they, individually and singularly, may know and understand the truth and choose to live themselves as God has asked them.

In the Revelation of the Christ we read: Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army.

My understanding of this piece of Scripture is that efforts such as yours are prophesied to fail. In the last days the kings of the earth - that would be every nation ruler - and their armies, will be there to fight against God in the end.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Yes he most defiantly did mock the scriptures and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[South Bound]

Partially because black. sorry about that. Ive grown alot since then.

When he was elected the first time, I was going back to school to complete a degree I left unfinished many years ago.

The day he was inaugurated, all of the black students were gathered in the library watching the inauguration on TV and cheering (actually, "cheering" is the polite word for it...if you've ever been in a movie theater in the city, you know what I mean).

It was all 100% race. They couldn't have told you one thing he stood for. All they knew was that he was black and they wanted a black president.

But I guess the joke's on them, now that unemployment and poverty among blacks is at an all time high and they're losing their liberty along with the rest of us.

And, in all fairness to them, the kids in my class and I did the same thing back in the 70s when Jimmy Carter was elected. We thought it was so cool to have a president from the South but we had no idea what a trainwreck he would turn out to be.

Just a few years later, as the consequences started to sink in, and after I got my first paycheck and my first car, after the long gas lines and after watching Birmingham go to blazes, I heard Ronald Reagan explain how government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem, and my whole political world turned around.

Leading up to the election in 2008, I was in Philly, walking up Market Street to the Tower Theater on Broad St that was never as good as the one on South Street, except that I got to meet Del McCoury there, but I digress...where was I?

Oh, right. Walking up Market Street.

I ran into some kids campaigning for Obama. They tried to shove their literature in my hands and I just said, "No thanks, I'm voting for Chuck Baldwin."

"But don't you think it's time we had a black president", they asked?

"Sure, if you can find a candidate better than Chuck Baldwin", I replied.

They concluded that the only possible reason I wasn't voting for Obama was that I must be a racist. Surely, it couldn't have anything to do with his policies, nothing to do with his incompetence as a senator. Just plain, ol' fashioned racism.

But even they couldn't tell me why I should vote for him. Over and over, all they could do was appeal to race. "But don't you think it's time we had a black president"?

Sadly also, President Obama is correct. We are not a christian nation.

Good thing the Founders didn't believe that.

So, I ask you: Which do you want as the law of our government? Do you want us to stone people for particular sins? Do you want us to make illegal the sale and consumption of shellfish in our country? Do you want us to require that every male child is circumcised on the eighth day of their life? Do you want us to enact laws that require us to buy sheep and rams and bulls so we can once again make sacrifices to our God?

Kind of weird that you would say we're not a Christian nation, but then turn around and, in order to illustrate that we're allegedly not a Christian nation, point out Jewish laws given to the Nation of Israel that we don't follow.

I believe that's what they call "strawmanning".

 

[classicalhero]

In the last election, the choice was between Obama and Mitt Romney. I think Romney being a Morman made it a hard decision for some.

The problem with Romney is that we didn't know where he stood.
A Liberal, a Moderate and a Conservative walks into a Bar. The bartender says, "Hi Mitt."

 

[pgp_protector]

In the last election, the choice was between Obama and Mitt Romney. I think Romney being a Morman made it a hard decision for some.

Those weren't the only two choices.

 

[th1bill]

There is a survey result from a survey taken, double blind, by the Barna Group in the mid eighties that demonstrates, clearly, that better than 98% of the folks in church on Sunday morning are not saved Christians, making them Christian only in name. I have even worked with a man and his wife that were believers in abortion. (He was a Deacon.)

When I've managed to get the conversation started, in Church events, there are a multitude of reasons, ranging from appearance to promoting their business, for going to Church and none of them deal with giving themselves to the Christ.

I did a series a couple of years back on Slavery/Salvation and the retort of one codifies the thoughts of many retorts I received in response to that series, he said, as best I recall, ¨I am not a slave purchased by God through His Son, the Christ, I am a child of God and I owe God nothing!"

His statement, in part is correct if he was purchased with the blood of Jesus but he has terrible theology driving his life. Members of the Physical Church of today lack commitment because the hard points of God's Word are ot taught in most Assemblies today.

 

[Rocmonkey]

He publically mocked Jesus Christ and yet Christians voted for him!!!! Not to mention he supports genocide.

Simply put, not everyone who says they are a Christian is one (Mt. 7:20-23). No one can claim fame to knowing Jesus personally and still be for murder or the taking of 'innocent' lives. Many of these people, including him, are not Christians. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits." Voting is a fruit.

BTW the Bible condemns slavery and never advocates it. I plan on starting a thread on the Bible and slavery when I have the time.

Actually, from my reading of the Bible, God used slavery to correct His people. He sent His own people into slavery a number of times.

 

[miamited]

Simply put, not everyone who says they are a Christian is one (Mt. 7:20-23). No one can claim fame to knowing Jesus personally and still be for murder or the taking of 'innocent' lives. Many of these people, including him, are not Christians. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits." Voting is a fruit.



Actually, from my reading of the Bible, God used slavery to correct His people. He sent His own people into slavery a number of times.

Hi rocmonkey,

Weren't abortions legal under George Bush? Does that mean that he's not a believer also? How about William Clinton? Is he also not a believer? What about Richard Nixon, after all, it was under his administration that abortions were given legalization? What about Gerald Ford? His administration followed Nixon's so surely if he was a 'christian' he would have set everything back right, right? Has there ever been a president that you believe was a born again believer?

Gerald Ford held himself up as a christian; Jimmy Carter claimed to be a christian; Ronald Reagan, both Bush's and William Clinton all claimed to be christians, but since they allowed abortions to continue, are they? Have we ever had a born again believer as a president?

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

 

[Rocmonkey]

Hi rocmonkey,

Weren't abortions legal under George Bush? Does that mean that he's not a believer also? How about William Clinton? Is he also not a believer? What about Richard Nixon, after all, it was under his administration that abortions were given legalization? What about Gerald Ford? His administration followed Nixon's so surely if he was a 'christian' he would have set everything back right, right? Has there ever been a president that you believe was a born again believer?

Gerald Ford held himself up as a christian; Jimmy Carter claimed to be a christian; Ronald Reagan, both Bush's and William Clinton all claimed to be christians, but since they allowed abortions to continue, are they? Have we ever had a born again believer as a president?

God bless you
In Christ, Ted

Hi, Miamited.

Good question. It's one thing to be President (or, whoever) and not be able to prevent or stop abortions bcuz of the law. But it is another to be able to do something about it and not. God gave mankind the death penalty for such crimes as murder and we should be using it (more often, I think).

Calling someone or yourself something does not make you (or me) that. I can say I am the king of England but that doesn't make it true. Being a Christian requires more than just talk. While I am not now nor ever will I be perfect I try to follow what the Bible teaches. When or if there is confusion or questions between writers I always look at what Jesus said first.

I hope these men were/are Christians. But I highly doubt some are/were. Slick Wilily comes to mind. You can't be having sex with whoever wherever, whenever and be a Christian. Sorry, God does not work that way, Bill. Revelations tell us this will get one a ride into Hell's Fire.

Certainly, George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln and other early founders were Christians- even Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian. So, Yes, we have had many Christian Presidents. Modern ones... "you will know them by their fruit" comes to mind.

 

[miamited]

Hi, Miamited.

Good question. It's one thing to be President (or, whoever) and not be able to prevent or stop abortions bcuz of the law. But it is another to be able to do something about it and not. God gave mankind the death penalty for such crimes as murder and we should be using it (more often, I think).

Yes, well that's all well and good, but how does that apply to your disdain for President Obama over this issue of abortion. If anyone had been in a position to prevent abortion from becoming and then being the law of the land wouldn't that responsibility have rested more on President Nixon? Why do you pillory President Obama for doing nothing more than any other president has done since the inception of that law. That's what I'm driving at. You are holding a man unfairly responsible for something that he had no control over.

Calling someone or yourself something does not make you (or me) that. I can say I am the king of England but that doesn't make it true. Being a Christian requires more than just talk. While I am not now nor ever will I be perfect I try to follow what the Bible teaches. When or if there is confusion or questions between writers I always look at what Jesus said first.

Absolutely true! I always like to use the example of calling myself the Queen of England in this very same comparison. However, again I ask, since other presidents have also made the claim of being christians, but then obviously didn't show such proof, as you would claim this problem of abortion would seem to show, why pillory President Obama for doing the same thing that every other president has apparently done for decades past.

I hope these men were/are Christians. But I highly doubt some are/were. Slick Wilily comes to mind. You can't be having sex with whoever wherever, whenever and be a Christian. Sorry, God does not work that way, Bill. Revelations tell us this will get one a ride into Hell's Fire.

Certainly, George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln and other early founders were Christians- even Thomas Jefferson said he was a Christian. So, Yes, we have had many Christian Presidents. Modern ones... "you will know them by their fruit" comes to mind.

Well, since all you know about them is what's in history books and you don't really have any personal experience with how they lived their lives, that would all just be assumptions on your part. It is said that ole Thomas used to have his dalliances with some of the young slave girls on his plantation. There are claims that he may have even sired some offspring through these intercourses. I don't know that to be a 'fact', but neither do you have any real 'facts' that would back up that any of these previous presidents acted as president any differently than the current ones do.

Listen my friend. The Scriptures tell us that the child of God should live respectful and reverent lives for themselves. They don't tell us to make others live respectful and reverent lives. That's the job of the Holy Spirit if they are born again. What the Scriptures do tell us, as regards this issue of living under governments, is to respect those in authority over us.

If you have some cause against President Obama that is his fault and under his control, then surely bring it to our attention. But, just to hold the president responsible for everything that is done by our government is quite unfair. Even if President Nixon were against abortion, he had no control over the ruling of the Supreme Court which made the legalization of abortion the law of the land. Likewise, President Obama, while he is certainly the figure head of our nation and certainly has some areas that under his direct control. The making of the laws of the land isn't one of them. That's the job of our legislative body.

You want to hold someone responsible for the healthcare act, then hold the people who are responsible for voting it into law. It isn't the president. Yes, he did early in his tenure come out and say that he wanted the legislature to work on some kind of comprehensive healthcare reform, but the law, as passed, was not his law. Trust me, there's a lot of stuff in there that if he had his way wouldn't have been. The covering of the costs of abortion may well have been one of them. However, the really important issue isn't really about how or who pays for abortions. If the people want abortion costs covered as a part of the healthcare reform act, then that's what they will get, but that isn't the issue for us. No, we're more against abortion altogether. But, we must understand that that's because we, the children of God, believe abortion to be a sin against God. The people of our nation as a whole do not. The numbers show that the pro-choice and pro-life stance is about evenly divided in our nation. 48% pro-life/45% pro-choice. A whopping 52% of our nation believe that abortion should be legal, although there are some differences as to the conditions under which it should be legal.

Personally, as I weigh and value the work of a president, I believe that President Obama has done a reasonably good job. He's not the best we've ever had, but he's far from the worst. But, he is the duly and legally elected president, and for that alone, I choose to be respectful towards him and his office. Am I happy about everything he has done? No. But then, I can't remember myself or anyone else that I know ever being happy with everything that any president has done. It's a fairly thankless job and I wouldn't take it for all the tea in china. You can make a lot more money with a lot less headaches running a company.

So, don't worry. In another two years you'll have someone else that you'll be grousing about and complaining about how they run the country. Me, I'm going to live in peace with the government and allow them their rightful place in my life. I'm never going to expect that this nation, or any other for that matter, will ever have a 'christian' government, but just pray that the Lord continues to watch over ours and that they protect our nation. I also know that one day, it will not be so, but that day is not today.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted